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1stCenturyLady
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Not if it was written in the first century by an apostle and read in all the churches!
I agree if you are talking about scripture as the completed collection of the Apostle's approved revelations from the first century.
“This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” (Galatians 3:2) (KJV 1900)
Paul says that understanding the words edifies. He also says those who speak in tongues edify themselves. = They knew what they were saying.
I'm saying people receive the Holy Spirit through the Word, just as they do the New Birth.
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23) (KJV 1900)
“This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” (Galatians 3:2) (KJV 1900)
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” (Romans 10:17) (KJV 1900)
Again, see post #80. You asked a specific question and I answered it specifically. You have nothing to disprove it. In other words, the Scripture is against what you are saying. You speak of the 'word' regularly, yet cannot support your claims in it.
Address exactly what I said in post #(80).
Stranger
That doesn't prove that those in the early church with the gift of tongues knew what they were saying.
Stranger
All believers have the Holy Spirit but scripture replaced the charismatic revelatory gifts. Proof is in not being able to provide scripture saying these gifts came in any other way besides the two outpourings and the hands of an apostle.
Paul says understanding what is said = edification. Tongue speakers were edified = they understood what they were saying.
You have no Scripture saying the gifts have been replaced. All the Scriptures I listed in (1 Cor. 12) prove the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Since you cannot prove the gifts have ceased, then you suffer your own words. "Proof is in not being able to provide scripture"
Stranger
Paul says; “so that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ; who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye be unreproveable in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, through whom ye were called into the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.” (1 Corinthians 1:7–9)
Notice, when Jesus is revealed he will also confirm us to the end, placing his revelation before the end. So this Revelation is not at the end of the world as charismatics say.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;” (Revelation 1:1)
John uses the same Greek word [apocalypse] as Paul speaking of the Revelation [apocalypse]of Jesus Christ.
602. ἀποκάλυψις apŏkalupsis, ap-ok-al´-oop-sis; from 601; disclosure:—appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation. Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 1, p. 14).
So John's book of Revelation is the same revelation Paul spoke of. Telling believers to come behind in any gift until then.
What a smoke screen. Nothing you have said addresses the cessation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Again, provide Scripture that teaches the gifts have ceased.
Stranger
“He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.” (1 Corinthians 14:4) (KJV 1900)
“I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.” (1 Corinthians 14:5) (KJV 1900)
