Purgatory True of False

[reformed1689]

Perhaps you are unaware that grammar is not in the original text? hahahahahahahaha oh boy...

You have no idea what you're talking about. You are way out of your league here. I'm coming from someone who doesn't even believe that Trinity your heretic, so your opinion doesn't really matter.

 

[Wrangler]

Actually you have just been successful in showing sheer ignorance.

Bless your heart!

 

[Mungo]

I'm not even going to look at that because I don't believe in purgatory and I believe that Jesus has paid the full price and I, as are all true Christians will not need any further purification. To suggest that that is necessary is to belittle the sacrifice Jesus already made to cleanse us of Sin.
I don't come on this sight to argue but to encourage and be encouraged and inspired. I know you are a fellow Brit but you are a Catholic and have you deep seated views which are different from mine. So with that in mind I will put you on my ignore list. Bye and God bless.

You won't even look at all the Scriptural evidence for Purgatory because you don't believe in it.
How absurd and closed minded can you get.

 

[reformed1689]

You won't even look at all the Scriptural evidence for Purgatory because you don't believe in it.
How absurd and closed minded can you get.

Do you have actual scriptural evidence?

 

[amigo de christo]

If it is @Mungo it has never been taught in any of the churches I have been part of.

And for sure and for certain we cannot pray anyone out of the place of judmgent after they are dead .
I can no more pray a soul out of hellfire than i can pray one into hell fire .
IF in this life one rejected Christ they will be denied as HE has let all know in that bible .
IF you deny ME before men then I will DENY you before GOD and the angels . AND NO prayers can save
those who have already departed. ONLY JESUS SAVES and thus its DIRE important we get that GOSPEL out as they did in the early church .
Eternal life is real and the reward of a lamb shall be great on the day of the LORD . BUt soo too is eternal damnation
and it does await all who denied the TESTIMONY OF GOD which HE gave of HIS OWN SON .
I am a stickler to THAT GOSPEL and that folks must beleive in Christ to be saved .

 

[TLHKAJ]

St. Gertrude's writings contain no such promise and the Church has officially condemned prayer cards containing a promise to release one or more souls from purgatory.

Since when?? My mother-in-law spends literally hours every day praying for the release of souls in purgatory. (sigh)

 

[farouk]

Since when?? My mother-in-law spends literally hours every day praying for the release of souls in purgatory. (sigh)

@TLHKAJ Wonderful for the believer that the Lord Jesus 'ever liveth to make intercession' for those who trust Him, because of His finished work at the Cross!

 

[TLHKAJ]

@TLHKAJ Wonderful for the believer that the Lord Jesus 'ever liveth to make intercession' for those who trust Him, because of His finished work at the Cross!

YES!!!! What a burden and a lie to put that on people to think they have to spend all day praying futile prayers to do what Jesus Christ has already done (save people). And yet ....it is appointed unto man once to die and after this, the judgment. There are no second chances after death.

 

[Mungo]

Do you have actual scriptural evidence?

Yes, a lot.
See the thread I started Purgatory - A Catholic's Understanding

 

[Mungo]

Since when??

Pope Leo XIII, Pope from 1878 - 1903

My mother-in-law spends literally hours every day praying for the release of souls in purgatory. (sigh)

Nothing wrong with praying for the release of souls in Purgatory, indeed very commendable.
What is wrong is thinking that just reciting a particular prayer will release 1,000 souls.
(See more at this web site St. Gertrude Prayer Releases 1,000 Souls from Purgatory. Or, Does It?

 

[Wrangler]

We Disagree

It probably won't be the last time.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are reaching - as you must. John 24: says nothing about 3 in 1 being. Just admit the trinity is not in the Bible, nothing like what I wrote in Post #108.

You claim is error, as scripture clearly teaches below

1 John 5:7-8KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

 

[JunChosen]

It's not easy to make the cut for purgatory because if a Catholic leaves this
life with just one un-absolved mortal sin on the books, just one, they go
straight to Hell --it's a direct flight, so to speak --no stopover in a halfway
house.

When a believer dies he goes straight to be with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:8), but the dead (spiritually dead) praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence (Psalm 115:17).

To God Be The Glory

 

[farouk]

I'm not even going to look at that because I don't believe in purgatory and I believe that Jesus has paid the full price and I, as are all true Christians will not need any further purification. To suggest that that is necessary is to belittle the sacrifice Jesus already made to cleanse us of Sin.
I don't come on this sight to argue but to encourage and be encouraged and inspired. I know you are a fellow Brit but you are a Catholic and have you deep seated views which are different from mine. So with that in mind I will put you on my ignore list. Bye and God bless.

@Pearl Indeed; "It is finished" (John 19.30).

 

[lforrest]

That was a lot of work deleting all those off topic posts.

 

[Mungo]

@Pearl Indeed; "It is finished" (John 19.30).

And what was the "it" that was finished?
Answers with reasons please.

 

[farouk]

And what was the "it" that was finished?
Answers with reasons please.

Read the passage. The Lord Jesus died at the Cross for sins not His own.

Nothing to do with church rites and rituals and supposed human merit.

 

[reformed1689]

Yes, a lot.
See the thread I started Purgatory - A Catholic's Understanding

Or you could just post here.

 

[reformed1689]

That was a lot of work deleting all those off topic posts.

An off-topic post complaining about off topic posts... anyone else see the irony?

 

[amigo de christo]

@TLHKAJ Wonderful for the believer that the Lord Jesus 'ever liveth to make intercession' for those who trust Him, because of His finished work at the Cross!

Those who .................
lets examine that next word . Those who trust in HIM , those who COME TO HIM .
Any soul that comes to JESUS and is HIS wont see no such place .
Thus the reminder stands . Once a soul leaves this world where it will end up is based on who it followed who it trusted in
who it beleived in . Lambs dont go to no place of torment . Only those who denied Christ . Only those who trust
was in their religoin and not IN JESUS ALONE . And we cant pray them out of that place . Nor could we pray anyone
out of Heaven either . Its too late once one breathes their last . WE must stay focused on the living
not on the souls that have departed this world .