"Pushing the Homosexual Agenda"

[Justadude]

It doesn't matter, judging one, a few or many, judging is judging, it doesn't require an appointed position and black robe, everyone judges.

Only in the same sense that a jaywalker and a serial killer both commit crimes.

 

[Justadude]

You need to know the background of the homosexual agenda to understand this sort of thing. They have said more than once that they want to influence the minds of children so that they can produce a generation that is accepting of homosexuality.

So? Isn't societal acceptance the basic concept behind every civil rights movement?

 

[Justadude]

Could you identify Anywhere in the US Constitution, that gives The "Federal" Government Authority to make Judgements regarding marriage?

Regulation of marriage is generally left to the states. However, the states can't regulate marriages in a way that violates people's constitutional rights. With same-sex marriages, it comes down to the due process and equal protection clauses in the Constitution, and that the states failed to show how they had a legitimate secular interest in denying same-sex couples the ability to marry.

You quoted a Federal Law of a time frame, then said a Federal Judge ignored the Law, and made a Judgement superceeding the Law.

Twice in your post so far, you reveal Federal Judges making Rulings Outside of their Authority.

That's your opinion.

The USSC "recognizing" Same sex marriage, is Not a Dictatorial Ruling that Every Soverign State is thereafter Required to Authorize "Performing" Same sex marriages.

Supreme Court rulings apply to all 50 states.

The citizens of every Soveriegn State are willing to exercise their power to prohibit or authorize performance of Same sex marriages, So what?
Everyone has the right to exercise their power to live in whatever State "they" choose.

The states can't violate the constitutional rights of their citizens.

 

[Justadude]

The entire TFT site is about homosexuality and what the Bible says about it.

There is a Christian position on homosexuality. It is found in the Bible. Because of false teachers who have distorted the gospel there are many people who believe they are Christians when they are not. They hold beliefs that are not based on the Bible.

Sure, but that's only relevant to Christians.

We warn obese people about the bad consequences of their obesity. Christians was gay people about the dangers of their lifestyle. Our culture is so corrupt that those who warn against homosexuality are accused of hating gays even though those who warn against the dangers of obesity are not accused of hating fat people.

Look through this thread. Every stereotype of the gay-hating Christian is on display here.

 

[Taken]

Only in the same sense that a jaywalker and a serial killer both commit crimes.

So? I do see a difference of Harm caused by their acts.

 

[Justadude]

So? I do see a difference of Harm caused by their acts.

It's a matter of scale, just like the difference between judging an individual versus judging an entire group of people.

 

[Taken]

Regulation of marriage is generally left to the states. However, the states can't regulate marriages in a way that violates people's constitutional rights. With same-sex marriages, it comes down to the due process and equal protection clauses in the Constitution, and that the states failed to show how they had a legitimate secular interest in denying same-sex couples the ability to marry.


That's your opinion.


Supreme Court rulings apply to all 50 states.


The states can't violate the constitutional rights of their citizens.

Rights?

Marriage:
Scriptural: 6,000 + years ago
USA: 200 + years ago
USA: I wanna be Queer...so let's Redefine a 6,000 year old Word meaning!!!

Noun: (modern)
the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship (historically and in some jurisdictions specifically a union between a man and a woman).

200- 6,000 + years ago.
MAR'RIAGE, noun [Latin mas, maris.] The act of uniting a man and woman for life; wedlock; the legal union of a man and woman for life. marriage is a contract both civil and religious, by which the parties engage to live together in mutual affection and fidelity, till death shall separate them. marriage was instituted by God himself for the purpose of preventing the promiscuous intercourse of the sexes, for promoting domestic felicity, and for securing the maintenance and education of children.

Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled. Hebrews 13:4

1. A feast made on the occasion of a marriage

The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king, who made a marriage for his son. Matthew 22:2.

2. In a scriptural sense, the union between Christ and his church by the covenant of grace. Revelation 19:7.

Seriously, IF queers want to be in a relationship with the same sex...Aren't they Smart enough to devise a Term for THEIR union, and petition Congress for "their Queer Union" to be included in particular Benefits afforded a Married man and woman?

Why Change a Long Standing Meaning of a Word, turn it into a LIE, then try to Vomit that LIE upon young innocent minds?

It is Disgusting and Wrong!

 

[Philip James]

Why Change a Long Standing Meaning of a Word, turn it into a LIE, then try to Vomit that LIE upon young innocent minds?

Because it is not just tolerance that they demand, but the approval and celebration of their perversion as right and good.

You can call an apple an orange, you can even browbeat and brainwash others into calling and believing the apple is an orange... But one bite settles the Truth of the matter...

Peace!

 

[Justadude]

Rights?

Marriage:
Scriptural: 6,000 + years ago
USA: 200 + years ago
USA: I wanna be Queer...so let's Redefine a 6,000 year old Word meaning!!!

Noun: (modern)
the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship (historically and in some jurisdictions specifically a union between a man and a woman).

200- 6,000 + years ago.
MAR'RIAGE, noun [Latin mas, maris.] The act of uniting a man and woman for life; wedlock; the legal union of a man and woman for life. marriage is a contract both civil and religious, by which the parties engage to live together in mutual affection and fidelity, till death shall separate them. marriage was instituted by God himself for the purpose of preventing the promiscuous intercourse of the sexes, for promoting domestic felicity, and for securing the maintenance and education of children.

Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled. Hebrews 13:4

1. A feast made on the occasion of a marriage

The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king, who made a marriage for his son. Matthew 22:2.

2. In a scriptural sense, the union between Christ and his church by the covenant of grace. Revelation 19:7.

Seriously, IF queers want to be in a relationship with the same sex...Aren't they Smart enough to devise a Term for THEIR union, and petition Congress for "their Queer Union" to be included in particular Benefits afforded a Married man and woman?

Why Change a Long Standing Meaning of a Word, turn it into a LIE, then try to Vomit that LIE upon young innocent minds?

It is Disgusting and Wrong!

Since those are your Christian beliefs, you should live by them. But the US is not a Christian theocracy, so no one else is obligated to live according to your Christian beliefs.

 

[Justadude]

Because it is not just tolerance that they demand, but the approval and celebration of their perversion as right and good.

Can you show where you are being forced to "approve and celebrate" LGBTQs?

 

[Candidus]

Only in the same way that legalizing interracial marriage "hurt" people who opposed it.

Obviously, you don't have a valid answer.

 

[Justadude]

Obviously, you don't have a valid answer.

How are the two different? A lot of people (many Christians) felt very strongly that people should not be allowed to marry someone from a different race, and several states expressly forbid it. Eventually the SCOTUS ruled those bans were unconstitutional and people were subsequently free to marry someone outside their race, which "hurt" those who believed it was morally wrong.

How is that different than those who believe very strongly that people should not be allowed to marry someone of the same sex being "hurt" when the SCOTUS ruled that bans on same-sex marriages were unconstitutional?

 

[Taken]

It's a matter of scale, just like the difference between judging an individual versus judging an entire group of people.

Eh, no.
Your example, murderer or jaywalker, does not give indication to a compatible mindset.
Judging one or a whole group with the same mindset, IS presicely about their same mindset.

One homosexual or a group of homosexuals have the same mindset in agreement, that sex with the same gender IS Acceptable for them.

And as is the Right for them to act on and encourage acceptance of what is acceptable to them, others exercise their right to disagree, not be accepting and discourage such behavior.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Because it is not just tolerance that they demand, but the approval and celebration of their perversion as right and good.

You can call an apple an orange, you can even browbeat and brainwash others into calling and believing the apple is an orange... But one bite settles the Truth of the matter...

Peace!

Agree.
There is a TREND happening.
* Teaching children there is an acceptable alternative to male / female Sexual relationships.
* Many children are "Trying" out this "so called" alternative Sexual Relationships.
* Parents, Siblings are Being given "ultimatums" accept the child's Sexual preference or "Risk" losing a relationship altogether with that child...and guess what...
Numerous Parents have done a complete About face, from being Against Homosexuality, to Embracing and being proponents of Homosexuality...because of "FEAR" of losing a relationship with their child.

I'm sure Abram had a big Choice To make, in the day God called him Away from his Idol making dad...but then we know it was God Himself who called Abram Righteous for letting his relationship with his dad be secondary to Abram having a Relationship with God...just saying.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Since those are your Christian beliefs, you should live by them.

Of course.

But the US is not a Christian theocracy, so no one else is obligated to live according to your Christian beliefs.

Homosexuality is not based on a Religion!
The US does not have A State Religion.
However:
The US was Established ON Biblical Principles!
( Not Hindu, Muslim, Bhuddist, Greek Mythology, etc....But on Biblical Principles!)

And no free person is required to live in a State whereby the Soverign State has Banned Same Sex Unions.

Any free person can go and live where they LIKE the Laws.

 

[Philip James]

Can you show where you are being forced to "approve and celebrate" LGBTQs?

Sure, by enshrining in law that their perversion is a 'marriage' for starters.

By forcing employers to extend spousal benefits to those in such a sham marriage.

By stopping Christian adoption agencies from refusing to place children in such a toxic environment

By charging those that publicly speak against this with 'human rights' violations and hate speech...

By making it illegal for service providers to refuse their services to celebrate this unholy union. Such as halls, caterers, bakers, photographers etc..

Do you need examples?

 

[Candidus]

How are the two different? A lot of people (many Christians) felt very strongly that people should not be allowed to marry someone from a different race, and several states expressly forbid it. Eventually the SCOTUS ruled those bans were unconstitutional and people were subsequently free to marry someone outside their race, which "hurt" those who believed it was morally wrong.

How is that different than those who believe very strongly that people should not be allowed to marry someone of the same sex being "hurt" when the SCOTUS ruled that bans on same-sex marriages were unconstitutional?

Dodging Biblical standards is not an argument.

 

[marksman]

So? Isn't societal acceptance the basic concept behind every civil rights movement?

As I have not studied every civil rights movement I will keep, my remarks to that which I have studied.

 

[marksman]

Look through this thread. Every stereotype of the gay-hating Christian is on display here.

I reject this completely as fanciful and not true. There is no such thing as a stereotype. There are a lot of Christians that do not understand the homosexual agenda and way of life and therefore make intemperate comments but that does not make a stereotype.

A stereotype is a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing. Generally speaking until recently, no one was exposed to the demands of homosexuals so they did not know much about it and them. It has been thrust upon them by a militant Gaystapo who is determined to destroy all that is good and wholesome and replace it with their version of depravity and abnormal.

Most of what we know is the product of homosexual propaganda. The only thing they will not tell us is the depraved way of life they live because that would put normal people off making them the victim which is what they want. However, the victim has turned hater and is victimizing those who have done them no wrong. Their mantra is if you are in the same room as a hater then you are all haters as they take no prisoners.

A classic example was the Catholic Archbishop Porteus of Tasmania, during the same-sex marriage debate, produced a leaflet which he distributed to all Catholics in his parish stating the Catholic Churches' position on marriage. Only Catholics received it.

Lo and behold, a man posing as a woman and standing as a candidate for the Greens in the Tasmania election, Took him to the human rights court on the basis that the words on the leaflet upset him. No one was asking him to support what was said because he was not a catholic. The outcome was that he withdrew from the election because he was too ill to stand and he withdrew his complaint because it upset him too much.

I have seen this happen numerous times so I would be confident in saying the stereotypes are the homosexuals, who call speech they hate as hate speech because it is the truth.

 

[Cristo Rei]

My first thought after seeing all that was to wonder why the mere inclusion of gay characters in a short film triggered this level of response from you, especially after you'd previously agreed that that sort of thing should remain legal. You might want to engage in some self-reflection and think on it a bit.

Oh, and I'd be careful about citing the Bible as a source of "objective morals", unless you want to argue that genocide, taking young girls as the spoils of war, having rape victims marry rapists, etc. are all "objectively moral".

What response are u talking about mate... LoL
I was just having a discussion i thought... No ill feelings here...
Like take a few deep breaths dude and calm down