QUESTION 1 for YOU - IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS is GOD

[StanJ]

I dont know whether you realize it or not, but this is a debate forum.If everyone agrees then their is not going to be much of a debate.

You dont agree with Luke4:4, And you are quoting Acts19:15and you claim that you have the Holy Spirit?

Yes it is, but there is a basic agreement on what constitutes basic Christianity, which does NOT include the Arian POV.
I think Luke 4:4 is pretty straight forward. Acts 19:15 does indicate using Jesus' name is not enough...you must actually have Him as your savior and be submitted to His authority so that you can validly use His name. Obviously these men in Acts 19 did NOT know the real Jesus. That should be anyone's takeaway from this scripture.

 

[Love_4_Jesus]

Thank you again for caring brother Floyd!

Agape these lower paygrade questions, ie, if you believe in not "another Jesus" (IICor.11:4) then absolutely you have power and authority in the sense of Matt.16:19.

Old powerless Jack, and Dangerfield's no respect for me in my community for sure - maybe that's a good thing?

Jesus appointed me, over all that is His, and gave me His power and authority. Can you believe it?

 

[Floyd]

[SIZE=26pt]God and godshttp://www.revelationsmessage.co.uk/God and gods.htm[/SIZE]


[SIZE=16pt]Many people when reading Scripture are confused by the above terms, especially in many of the Old Testament references. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Adding to the confusion are the many Groups/churches that deliberately teach that God (Elohim) is not made up of 3 parts; i.e. God the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit; which is partially true in the sense that Elohim (Almighty, All Powerful, All Knowing) takes on the Forms that suit His Plans, at any Administration Purpose.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]The three mentioned above are of the same entity (El); therefore Divine.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]The following are scripture references often used by some people to try and make the opposite case. They often are not using more than one Bible, or do not have facility for Translation comparisons; although these days that is rare.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]In the worst cases, i.e. The Jehovah’s Witnesses, they have their own translation; although in their door to door work, they often carry a KJV. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Some popular Scripture references used to try to prove their erroneous teachings are the following:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]The erroneous definitions are not given, as they are very varied; but the definitions of the famous Dr. David Ginsburg (Jewish scholar, of Rabbinical training, who converted to Christ Jesus; and Dr. E. Bullinger) are; as their scholarship exceeds much that is available today. (Dr. Ginsburg worked for the British Museum and British Library for many years upon moving from Poland.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]References that follow, are the ones frequently used to argue against the Compound Godhead. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Gen. 1:26; God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, to Our likeness”. This clearly refers to the Godhead, and not to angels, as the definite articles show. The same applies to Gen. 11:7.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Ex. 7:1; Moses is told that he “will be as God to Pharaoh”. He was thus empowered to compete (successfully) against Pharaoh and his sorcerers! This is considered to be a figure of Christ/God competing with Satan and his demons.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Ex. 15:15; refers to “dukes” or “chiefs” in human beings.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Ex. 32:8; refers to idolatry, in this case the “golden calf”.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]1Sam. 28:13; “elohims (gods) rising out of the earth”. In this example, Saul was again defying God, in consorting with “familiar spirits” or demonic entities; which Saul, and all Israel had been told not to do. See Duet. 18; and Saul’s lip service in v3 and 7! The term “elohims” in the Hebrew, without the definite article refers to any supernatural entity, but especially those of Satan and his servants! With the definite article it always refers to The All Powerful God, Elohim![/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]1Sam. 2:25; Jehovah=Elohim in Covenant relationship with Israel in this case; but can apply to any of His created beings.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Psm. 45:6-7; v7 “God=Elohim Creator; anointed=Christ”.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Psm. 82:1-6; “gods”=judges or mighty ones on earth, they will die as men.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Psm. 97:7-9; “Lord” (KJV)=Jehovah (Covenanted with Israel). Verses 7 and 9= idols![/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Psm. 136:2; “God”=Elohim, gods=elohim=earthly rulers, see 135:5.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]John 10:33-35; “God”=Theos Grk.=Elohim=Creator. In the New Testament means “Father as the revealed God”.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Gen. 3:5; “like God, knowing good and evil”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Deut. 10:17; “God of gods”. El.= Elohim in all strength and power; omnipotent, Creator, knows all”.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]I John 5:7, and Eph. 2:18 are conclusively self-explanatory![/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The major reference to The Godhead, is the very reference that the antagonists of the “three in one” use to try to prove their point! Moses spoke of this in Deuteronomy.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Deut. 6:4 is the definitive point to the whole argument.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]“Hear O Israel: Jehovah our God is One[/SIZE] Jehovah”!
[SIZE=16pt]The “antagonists” say that this statement proves One[/SIZE] not “three in One” is proven by the statement of Moses!
[SIZE=16pt]What in fact is being emphasised by the "One"[/SIZE] statement is that Jehovah is the One and only God!
[SIZE=16pt]When the Old Testament is viewed in the context[/SIZE] of the "Shema" position; Moses is giving the children of Israel the prayer to which they must resort frequently; to remind them of their "Golden calf" idolatry at the beginning of their freedom from Egypt. Also, the same prayer was to be referred to continually to try to avoid future idolatry!
[SIZE=16pt]Dr. David Ginsburg, comments:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Quote by Dr. David (Christian) Ginsburg; Hebrew and Greek scholar, Jewish academic and antiquities expert. For Encyclopaedic Ref. see: Dr. David Ginsburg:[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] (Hebrew scholar, Jewish academic, Jewish language scholar for the British Library, and Museum.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Deut. 6:4: (KJV) " Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The corrected to manuscript is: " Hear (observe, heed) O Israel: Jehovah our Elohim is one Jehovah:"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Ginsberg comment: "Hear " in the Hebrew text this word (sham'a) has the last letter majuscular (i.e. larger than the others) as also the last letter of the last word (echad), to emphasis "the first and great commandment" (Matt.22:33; Mark 12:29-30). These two letters taken together make (ed= "a witness", because God is a witness and "looketh on the heart" (1 Sam.16:7)."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]One: "Hebrew (ehad= a compound unity ; i.e. one made up of others" ; Gen. 1:5; 2:11; 2:21; 2:24; 3:22 one of the Trinity (capital U "Us" ); 49:16; Num.13:23; Psm.34:20;"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]These are some of the incidents of the use of (ehad) "compound unity"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]"If it was intended to be understood as singular or unique, the Hebrew word is (yahid)".[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]So; the original hand written shows that God was pointing to "a witness", by the use of the majuscular, giving (ed=a witness).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]A witness to what? To correct understanding of the given phrase; especially the compound word (ehad)! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]In the original Hebrew, the word translated “One” above is “ehad” which has the meaning “a compound unity”. The equivalent in Latin is “unus”. So; even at that early stage the revealing of the Godhead, the hints in Genesis were being confirmed! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Despite this firm Scriptural and Holy Spirit evidence, most will not change their minds, and accept the truth![/SIZE]

 

[Love_4_Jesus]

Jesus appointed me, over all that is His, and gave me His power and authority.
Is there any of you reading this that does not believe me?

 

[Floyd]

Jesus appointed me, over all that is His, and gave me His power and authority.
Is there any of you reading this that does not believe me?

Would you care to elaborate?
Floyd.

 

[Love_4_Jesus]

Would you care to elaborate?
Floyd.

No amount of elaboration, will move you to believe, that ...
Jesus appointed me, over all that is His, and gave me His power and authority.

 

[lforrest]

No amount of elaboration, will move you to believe, that ...
Jesus appointed me, over all that is His, and gave me His power and authority. [/size]

Stay on topic please. If you wish to discuss this you can create a new topic.

 

[Pelaides]

When Numbers was written God had not Yet Come in the Flesh. God Came in the flesh, overcame and became the tried stone, the precious corner stone. Or do You not believe this Scripture? 1 Timothy 3:16 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by messengers, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

This is a good verse,not opinion like the others are using.

Yep..........I'z gotz the Holy Spirit..........Acts 19:15.............I thought it was quite quaint to use myself.....since the demons even notice you have no power.

Come on.............show yourself......................


OK....I'll go first...........I'm a BLOOD BOUGHT BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, bible thumpin, devil stompin, tongue talkin man of God. And that is about it.

Now...your turn....what might you be.................?
Since you let the scriptures do the talking for you...........I can only think you be one thing......

I hope we are not dealing with another robot :)

The Chinese are pumping these things out faster than we can keep up with.

Now............if you be a Christian saved by grace and you want to come on the floor with me and dance the night away in celebration of your new life.....then....we got off on the wrong paw.

So you claim to have power from above(the Holy Spirit},what are you doing with it?Do you go to the hospitals,the nursing homes,the prisons?Or are you just a gibberish talking phony like the others i have seen.

The chinese are Gods people too.

 

[RANDOR]

This is a good verse,not opinion like the others are using.

So you claim to have power from above(the Holy Spirit},what are you doing with it?Do you go to the hospitals,the nursing homes,the prisons?Or are you just a gibberish talking phony like the others i have seen.

The chinese are Gods people too.

So you claim to have power from above(the Holy Spirit},what are you doing with it?
Talking to you.

 

[lforrest]

This is a good verse,not opinion like the others are using.

So you claim to have power from above(the Holy Spirit},what are you doing with it?Do you go to the hospitals,the nursing homes,the prisons?Or are you just a gibberish talking phony like the others i have seen.

The chinese are Gods people too.

I prefer not to ask people to prove themselves by telling me their works. So they do not boast about themselves and sin.

 

[StanJ]

Jesus appointed me, over all that is His, and gave me His power and authority.
Is there any of you reading this that does not believe me?

Yes.

So you claim to have power from above(the Holy Spirit},what are you doing with it?Do you go to the hospitals,the nursing homes,the prisons?Or are you just a gibberish talking phony like the others i have seen.

The chinese are Gods people too.

You seem to also not believe in the deity of the Holy Spirit in addition to Jesus' deity?
Do you not accept the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Floyd]

Jesus appointed me, over all that is His, and gave me His power and authority.
Is there any of you reading this that does not believe me?

Yes; I don't believe you; also, I don't think you know what you are talking about.
You have been asked to explain; but have not done so!
Why not?
Are you one of those people who claim "mystic" knowledge, or revelation; but cannot explain in plain English what they are saying?
If you are; don't hang around; because you waste peoples time, and irritate them.

A question to you.
Do you believe Jesus is God?
Floyd.

 

[Pelaides]

So you claim to have power from above(the Holy Spirit},what are you doing with it?
Talking to you.

You answer a question with a question? :mellow:

Yes.
You seem to also not believe in the deity of the Holy Spirit in addition to Jesus' deity?
Do you not accept the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

yOU threatned to report me to the moderators,which means you are an individual unable to stand on your own two feet in a debate.You have earned a spot on my ignore list.

I prefer not to ask people to prove themselves by telling me their works. So they do not boast about themselves and sin.

I am not you.

 

[lforrest]

I am not you.

Yes, it is exceedingly clear we have nothing in common.

 

[Floyd]

Yes; I don't believe you; also, I don't think you know what you are talking about.
You have been asked to explain; but have not done so!
Why not?
Are you one of those people who claim "mystic" knowledge, or revelation; but cannot explain in plain English what they are saying?
If you are; don't hang around; because you waste peoples time, and irritate them.

A question to you.
Do you believe Jesus is God?
Floyd.

Will you give me a reply?
Floyd.

 

[Love_4_Jesus]

Will you give me a reply?
Floyd.

Jesus is not God the Father.

 

[Floyd]

Jesus is not God the Father.

Who is He then?
Floyd.

 

[Love_4_Jesus]

Jesus is not God the Father.

Jesus is the Son of God the Father.
Can you believe that?

 

[StanJ]

yOU threatned to report me to the moderators,which means you are an individual unable to stand on your own two feet in a debate.You have earned a spot on my ignore list.

WHERE exactly did I do that?

Oh and in case I am on his ignore list, maybe someone can show me if this is in fact true.

 

[RANDOR]

WHERE exactly did I do that?

Oh and in case I am on his ignore list, maybe someone can show me if this is in fact true.

Stan..........don't fret it...............the ignore button to me means..............the light came on and the cockroaches scattered.