QUESTION 1 for YOU - IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS is GOD

[Pelaides]

John 20:28 "[SIZE=.75em]28 [/SIZE]Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”"

Why doesn't Jesus correct him? The apostles and angels refused to even let people bow to them.

Jesus was a God and he was Lord,Although not the same God who spoke to moses and abraham.But lets look at John20:31"But these are written that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ,the son of God;and that believing ye might have life through his name."

Agree with the others. Pelaides, take careful note of the following....

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

All created beings, whether they are men, angels, cherubim, seraphim, or creatures on other worlds we know not, all creation belongs to God. Not one created being, of whatever nature or rank, has power over his own life, because that life is given to him of God. Our lives are not our own therefore they are insufficient to offer...they are not ours to give.
Jesus however is here saying that He does have the power to lay down His life. Why? Because His life does belong to Him. His life was not a gift...it was not a created thing...the life of Jesus was and is inherent part of Who He is..it was His to give...it was His to take up again.

And don't go down the track of saying He was commanded to do this, therefore was a lesser being. Not so. The commandment spoken of was in the context of lineage. He is God's real and ONLY true un-adopted uncreated natural Son. That power He has over His own life came to Him by lineage...it is by an inherited precept (or commandment) given to Him as of right, because of Who He is, not as a gift, because of Who He is not.


Because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. I am sorry it is too deep for you...you really do need to get down to basics...believe in the fundamental Christian foundation of Immanuel, God with us...Christ in you, the hope of glory...

Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Yes i am at a disadvantage, because i read the Bible literally,If I pretended to have the Holy Spirit like so many of you do.Then I could see things no one else can see and make the word of God what i want it to be/

 

[Madad21]

Jesus was a God and he was Lord,Although not the same God who spoke to moses and abraham.But lets look at John20:31"But these are written that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ,the son of God;and that believing ye might have life through his name."

Yes i am at a disadvantage, because i read the Bible literally,If I pretended to have the Holy Spirit like so many of you do.Then I could see things no one else can see and make the word of God what i want it to be/

Palaides = "because i read the Bible literally,"

Stanj = Jesus said: If you knew me, you would know my Father also.
Jesus said: You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.
Jesus said: If you do not believe that I am He, you will indeed die in your sins.
Jesus said: You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am.

Palaides = "If I pretended to have the Holy Spirit like so many of you do.Then I could see things no one else can see and make the word of God what i want it to be/"


:huh:

 

[lforrest]

Jesus was a God and he was Lord,Although not the same God who spoke to moses and abraham.But lets look at John20:31"But these are written that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ,the son of God;and that believing ye might have life through his name."

Yes i am at a disadvantage, because i read the Bible literally,If I pretended to have the Holy Spirit like so many of you do.Then I could see things no one else can see and make the word of God what i want it to be/

God has said "there is no other" multiple times in the bible. Jesus is the one and same God of Abraham. All other gods must be deceiving spirits at the most, or at the least the product of overactive imaginations.


Let us take a literal look at a passage from the bible 1 Corinthians 2:14 says: "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." This means it is impossible for someone without the Holy Spirit to properly understand the scriptures, and they will perceive the orthodox christian view as foolishness.

Haven't we been patient and kind? Have we been seeking the Lord's interests instead of our own?

 

[Floyd]

God has said "there is no other" multiple times in the bible. Jesus is the one and same God of Abraham. All other gods must be deceiving spirits at the most, or at the least the product of overactive imaginations.


Let us take a literal look at a passage from the bible 1 Corinthians 2:14 says: "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." This means it is impossible for someone without the Holy Spirit to properly understand the scriptures, and they will perceive the orthodox christian view as foolishness.

Haven't we been patient and kind? Have we been seeking the Lord's interests instead of our own?

Good comment!
Floyd.

[SIZE=20pt]Understanding Scripture:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The first thing to say, is that the Bible is the Word of God to all mankind; and as such is worthy of serious study, and effort to understand and see what The God of all Creation wishes us to understand.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]The very confusing fact is that there are many “churches” and groups claiming to be the only source of Truth regarding God’s Bible, His message to us all.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]The history of the Christian Churches (Christendom) shows that the early church fathers (all Gentiles) made decisions regarding the Bibles teachings that restricted and confused people then (AD 100+); and still does![/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Those errors were reinforced by the Emperor Constantine; who with his mother Helena, added Babylonian Pagan teachings into the Roman Church; with the results which the brave Martin Luther fought so successfully against during the Reformation period.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]One major basic error was to exclude Israel from the teaching and understanding of the Bible; especially in the New Testament; and to what has been termed “Gentile-ise” all teaching from then on; which has produced hundreds of years and generations of people all over the world who think of themselves as “the new Israel”. See: [/SIZE][SIZE=16pt]Replacement Theology[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]This gross error has also been partly responsible for many acts of genocide and persecution against the Jewish people in their “diaspora” state all over the world! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]It was not until about AD 61-2, that the Apostle Paul’s efforts ceased with the Jewish people at the Synagogue in Rome. At that stage he had completed his task of visiting the main Synagogues of the then known world; which the risen Christ has tasked him to do, with His later instructions to Paul; as Paul explained to King Aggripa: See [/SIZE][SIZE=16pt]Apostle Paul:[/SIZE] [SIZE=16pt]and [/SIZE][SIZE=16pt]Apostle Paul's Accusers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]The visit to the Roman Synagogue coincided with Paul’s statement in Acts 28:25-28; which was a major change in the events regarding Israel and the Gentiles. Up to that stage, the first priority of teaching was “the Jew first”, with Gentiles secondary. This was the Grace of God in action towards His “first born son”; and was in part an answer to the prayer of Jesus on the cross “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do”![/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]However; as history shows, the Jews would still not accept their Messiah; so Paul’s emphasis changed to the Gentiles; and as the narrative shows, he knew “they will hear”; which has been the case since, and will remain so “until the number of the Gentiles is made up”![/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]For this reason; when reading and studying the Bible, it is important to see who is being addressed, why, when and to what purpose; to use the words of the famous Miles Coverdale![/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Returning to study of the Bible; there a few basic understandings needed:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]The Bible cannot be understood unless a person:
1) Reveres God, and sincerely studies His Word, (Isa. 29:11-13.)
2) Must want to know His Word, (Psm. 119:162), and rejoice in it.
3) Must labour (work at) the Word, as a task (which becomes joyful) (2 Tim. 2:15.)

The statement is made by the Holy Spirit in His Word that "it is perfect," (Psm. 12:6,) "and purified 7 times." For such a statement to be made by Almighty God, means He is using the perfect language (Hebrew) to convey His message. It is a fact that Daniel 2:4 to 7:28 is written in Aramaic/Chaldee, but that is to differentiate the Gentile historic section, and to compare it to the Jewish prophetic section (in Hebrew) regarding "the time of the end," (Comp. page 1178.) The fact that the New Testament is in Greek, means the Holy Spirit has refined the use for His purpose, and that therefore the Greek can be used also for Gematria. However; when the "time of the end," is reached, Hebrew and Greek Gematria can be cross checked! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]See: [/SIZE] [SIZE=16pt]Ancient Aramaic Manuscripts, Pshitta O and A:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]and [/SIZE][SIZE=16pt]Corruption of the Bible Text: [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The argument is presented by some scholars, that there are many errors in Scripture. By others that many parts are written after prophetic fulfilment. These are inevitable attacks. Those who are sincere go on to study the Word with their minds and hearts stayed on Christ / Jehovah God, and come to realise that the so called errors are Satanically inspired and conspired over the centuries, by human and demonic interference.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]However, Christ Jesus confirmed the Word (Scripture). [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]See: [/SIZE] [SIZE=16pt]Bible (the) Veracity of: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Changes Made To The Old Testament [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Christ confirms the OT and NThttp://www.revelationsmessage.co.uk/Christ confirms the OT and NT.htm[/SIZE][SIZE=16pt]:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]A good Bible translation should be used such as JKV or NKJV; care is needed in this choice, as many modern versions are biased towards wrong teachings (in the view of the writers).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Our own study Bible is the KJV (Companion); as the editors Dr. David Ginsberg and Dr. E.W. Bullinger were both acclaimed Greek and Hebrew Scholars, and both were/are without equal in their dedication to original manuscript examination and veracity! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]See: [/SIZE][SIZE=16pt]Dr. David Ginsburg:[/SIZE] [SIZE=16pt] (Hebrew scholar, Jewish academic, Jewish language scholar for the British Library, and Museum.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16pt]Dr. E. W. Bullinger [/SIZE][SIZE=16pt] (Hebrew and Greek scholar, author Companion Bible)[/SIZE]

 

[shturt678]

Wow Pelaides, these good folks didn't gang up on you, that is, they really went the mile with you sir encouraging me for sure.

Old, Jesus = God grammatically (here even basic 1st semester Greek stuff), contextually, and aspectually in Jn.1:1, Jack (my favorite).

 

[RANDOR]

Jesus was a God and he was Lord,Although not the same God who spoke to moses and abraham.But lets look at John20:31"But these are written that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ,the son of God;and that believing ye might have life through his name."

Yes i am at a disadvantage, because i read the Bible literally,If I pretended to have the Holy Spirit like so many of you do.Then I could see things no one else can see and make the word of God what i want it to be/

I Beg Your Pardon...............always wanted to say that :)

Look....................I wouldn't in a million years know how to pretend to have the Holy Spirit.............who have you healed? who have you saved?
Who have you helped? .......Who have you gave to?....Do you have the Holy Ghost?......tell us................with no scriptures
Tell us........what has God done for you?

I believe God didn't have anything to do with your choice of belief system.........
Me thinks.....it just sounded good.........and ya went with it.............and the deeper you dug............you lost sight of your entry.

Build me an altar.......your altar..............with large cuts of lumber...................now soak it..............my Holy Spirit will send it to ash.
This was all said in love....but I must be bold............cause...darn it...that's the spirit God gave me...OoooRah

GOT POWER?

 

[Pelaides]

God has said "there is no other" multiple times in the bible. Jesus is the one and same God of Abraham. All other gods must be deceiving spirits at the most, or at the least the product of overactive imaginations.


Let us take a literal look at a passage from the bible 1 Corinthians 2:14 says: "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." This means it is impossible for someone without the Holy Spirit to properly understand the scriptures, and they will perceive the orthodox christian view as foolishness.

Haven't we been patient and kind? Have we been seeking the Lord's interests instead of our own?

Now here you are someone devoid of understanding masquerading as a spokesman of GOD,yOU CLAIM TO . THE hAVE THE Holy Spirit but you have no proof,you even to deny the very scriptures you were taught to live by..The Ladocien church is still alive

I Beg Your Pardon...............always wanted to say that :)

Look....................I wouldn't in a million years know how to pretend to have the Holy Spirit.............who have you healed? who have you saved?
Who have you helped? .......Who have you gave to?....Do you have the Holy Ghost?......tell us................with no scriptures
Tell us........what has God done for you?

I believe God didn't have anything to do with your choice of belief system.........
Me thinks.....it just sounded good.........and ya went with it.............and the deeper you dug............you lost sight of your entry.

Build me an altar.......your altar..............with large cuts of lumber...................now soak it..............my Holy Spirit will send it to ash.
This was all said in love....but I must be bold............cause...darn it...that's the spirit God gave me...OoooRah

GOT POWER?

I am not telling you NOTHING!

Wow Pelaides, these good folks didn't gang up on you, that is, they really went the mile with you sir encouraging me for sure.

Old, Jesus = God grammatically (here even basic 1st semester Greek stuff), contextually, and aspectually in Jn.1:1, Jack (my favorite).

They will ban me for speaking the truth.

 

[lforrest]

Now here you are someone devoid of understanding masquerading as a spokesman of GOD,yOU CLAIM TO . THE hAVE THE Holy Spirit but you have no proof,you even to deny the very scriptures you were taught to live by..The Ladocien church is still alive

Look at the line above your reply, I have listed proof by our spiritual fruits. "Haven't we been patient and kind? Have we been seeking the Lord's interests instead of our own?"

But again, I posted something something based on the knowledge of scripture that requires spiritual discernment.

Who is that knocking at the door to your heart? It is Jesus!

 

[RANDOR]

I am not telling you NOTHING!

They will ban me for speaking the truth.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like bondage if ya ask me.

That's sad......Pelaides..........

I was just asking you to show your love for this God you serve....that's all.....
That's all I've done............is show my love for my God............
I could write a book about the love I have for the Father..................Actually I have......came out in February.

Gettin ready to write another one.

Pelaides.............I truly want you to experience God's love for you......but it will never happen.....if ya keep quoting taught scriptures.

Even my fellow Christians.......some have a hard time with me saying that.

I understand why you won't tell us anything........but being banned...........banned from what?
Banned from man's teachings......
Come on................Pelaides..........down deep ya gotta know that is just silly. Jesus sure does that I know for a fact.

Go to Jesus..........test the waters........

 

[Madad21]

They will ban me for speaking the truth.

Ban you from what?
What sort of religion bans a person for speaking the truth, the gospel doesnt tech that.
What are you in to Palaides?

What religion works behind closed doors, does anything in secret or stops its flock from speaking the truth about it or the gospel???

Mate I know you wont listen to me, but at least give serious consideration to what Randor is saying to you, for your own salvation, he speaks from love this is manifest of the Holy Spirit in him you have to see that. Your not a bad person I just get tired of going around in ridiculous circles these guys have way more patience then me, maybe something I need to repent from. But Randor is trying really hard here and so are the others.

I really dont like this statement "they will ban me for speaking truth". the truth should always be spoken, Jesus commands us too.

 

[Floyd]

Ban you from what?
What sort of religion bans a person for speaking the truth, the gospel doesnt tech that.
What are you in to Palaides?

What religion works behind closed doors, does anything in secret or stops its flock from speaking the truth about it or the gospel???

Mate I know you wont listen to me, but at least give serious consideration to what Randor is saying to you, for your own salvation, he speaks from love this is manifest of the Holy Spirit in him you have to see that. Your not a bad person I just get tired of going around in ridiculous circles these guys have way more patience then me, maybe something I need to repent from. But Randor is trying really hard here and so are the others.

I really dont like this statement "they will ban me for speaking truth". the truth should always be spoken, Jesus commands us too.

Well said Madad!
Floyd.

 

[Forsakenone]

Was Abraham God?

“Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years;…” . Genesis 25:8

Was Isaac God?

“And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died,...”Genesis 35:29

Was Ananias God?

[3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. Acts 5:3-5

And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. Mark 15:37

 

[Floyd]

Was Abraham God?

“Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years;…” . Genesis 25:8

Was Isaac God?

“And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died,...”Genesis 35:29

Was Ananias God?

[3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. Acts 5:3-5

And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. Mark 15:37

What are you trying to say?
Speak plainly please; if you are able?
Floyd.

 

[RANDOR]

Was Abraham God?

“Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years;…” . Genesis 25:8

Was Isaac God?

“And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died,...”Genesis 35:29

Was Ananias God?

[3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. Acts 5:3-5

And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. Mark 15:37

Scriptures are of no value..................NO VALUE!...........If they are not presented in true meaning.
Anyone can throw scriptures out there.....
There is only one thing that matters................
If ya haven't asked Jesus into your heart and asked for forgiveness of sins...............then your scriptures....are worthless!

TOTALY WORTHLESS

 

[StanJ]

Was Abraham God?

“Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years;…” . Genesis 25:8

Was Isaac God?

“And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died,...”Genesis 35:29

Was Ananias God?

[3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. Acts 5:3-5

And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. Mark 15:37

I would respectfully suggest you most up to the ESV or NASB at least, to get a handle on the modern equivalency of the Greek texts.

They will ban me for speaking the truth.

They will ban you for denying Christ's diety...not TRUTH. Thankfully the owners of this site know who God is and never deny Him before men, because those who do will be denied by Him before God.

 

[Madad21]

Was Abraham God?

“Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years;…” . Genesis 25:8

Was Isaac God?

“And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died,...”Genesis 35:29

Was Ananias God?

[3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. Acts 5:3-5

And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. Mark 15:37

 

[Nomad]

I know this isn't the entire quote. This is an abbreviated version:

Was Ananias God?

[3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. Acts 5:3-5

There are a few words translated using this phrase in the KJV. To "give up the ghost" means that one's soul or spirit is released from the body. It's simply a metaphorical way of saying that someone has "died."

 

[Pelaides]

Ban you from what?
What sort of religion bans a person for speaking the truth, the gospel doesnt tech that.
What are you in to Palaides?

What religion works behind closed doors, does anything in secret or stops its flock from speaking the truth about it or the gospel???

Mate I know you wont listen to me, but at least give serious consideration to what Randor is saying to you, for your own salvation, he speaks from love this is manifest of the Holy Spirit in him you have to see that. Your not a bad person I just get tired of going around in ridiculous circles these guys have way more patience then me, maybe something I need to repent from. But Randor is trying really hard here and so are the others.

I really dont like this statement "they will ban me for speaking truth". the truth should always be spoken, Jesus commands us too.

I knpw of 3 people who were banned from this forum for no reason.

Scriptures are of no value..................NO VALUE!...........If they are not presented in true meaning.
Anyone can throw scriptures out there.....
There is only one thing that matters................
If ya haven't asked Jesus into your heart and asked for forgiveness of sins...............then your scriptures....are worthless!

TOTALY WORTHLESS

You know you are getting yourself in hot water teaching people to deny the scriptures.YOU have been warned.

 

[Floyd]

I knpw of 3 people who were banned from this forum for no reason.

There is always a reason!
You do not speak truth!
Why don't you be plain; using plain English?
Are you one of those childish people who try to play with the sincere here?
I warrant you will not answer these simple questions!
Floyd.

 

[Pelaides]

I would respectfully suggest you most up to the ESV or NASB at least, to get a handle on the modern equivalency of the Greek texts.

They will ban you for denying Christ's diety...not TRUTH. Thankfully the owners of this site know who God is and never deny Him before men, because those who do will be denied by Him before God.

Here is Bible study 101 for ya,you go to hell for denying Jesus is the Christ,not for denying he is God,But you having the Holy Spirit you already knows that.L.O.L. :lol:

There is always a reason!
You do not speak truth!
Why don't you be plain; using plain English?
Are you one of those childish people who try to play with the sincere here?
I warrant you will not answer these simple questions!
Floyd.

Apocalyptic,A faithful one,Bro steve.do these names ring a bell?