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amigo de christo

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yes faith and baptism Mk 16:16

if it is not possible it is not required

acts2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

TO YOUR CHILDREN!

Acts 16:15
And when she was baptized, and her household,

iT does not say except infants!
Peter was never a pope . They knew one had to TRULY BELIEVE in CHRIST . Babies do not know their right hand from their left .
I refuse ROME , i refuse the vatican . Give me JESUS and it that costs me all , even my death , I DIE HAPPY .
I am so sad for so many . THIS is a tragedy . SO many could have had what i have . GOD did NOT
reach out to me cause i was something good or great . I WAS the worst of most . BUT yall are failing of the grace of GOD .
I plead you return to just that bible and seek the LORD diligently . GOD is full of mercy and quick to forgive .
BUT ROME has led many astray . Learn JESUS For yourself .
 
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marks

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(so-called reformation)

That’s called rebellion not reformation!
No authority to start new churches Matt 16:18 only Christ has this authority
He is the only mediator!

Where is your outrage on this gross attempt to usurp His authority, the authority of him being the only mediator?????????

Where’s the biblical mandate for a reformation
Christ founded the one true church and it cannot be reformed

divine revelation is from God and is immutable cannot be reformed

it is the truth!

what authority did the so-called reformers have?

They admit that they have no authority themselves for they say the Bible is the only authority!

they have no authority to say that the Bible is the only authority, but in saying it they admit freely that they have no authority, only the apostles have authority!

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

To admit belief in the reformation is to admit that the Catholic Church is the one true church of Jesus Christ founded on Peter, the apostles, and their successors!
Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16

Again where is the outrage against these interlopers!
I'm not talking about the reformation. I'm asking you for Scripture which tells us that . . .

While Jesus gave to 11 disciples the authority to remit or retain sins, where in the Bible are we taught that these disciples had the ability or right to transfer that authority to others?

That's my question.

Much love!
 

marks

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logical that Christ had the authority to choose the apostles as His representative successors the apostles would have the same authority
See it for yourself in acts 1 Mathias chosen to succeed judas
It's logical to you that if God gives me some certain ability or authority, that I can pass that to someone else as if I were God?

It's not logical to me.

Besides, who cares if I think you can't and you think you can?

What matters is, is it in the Bible? No, it's not.

Much love!
 

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no evidence for such a thing, no one ever heard of baptism till Jtb
And this was after John the Baptist, so why would he not know about baptism upon repentance.

And Washing for ritual purity was a Jewish tradition, so there's that too.
 

marks

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for what authority of the apostles?
No. That the apostles have successors to whom they transfer their powers.

Where is that in the Bible?

And please . . . I've seen your list, and the verses don't address the points.

What passage would you show that teaches this?

Much love!
 

marks

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That’s called rebellion not reformation!
No authority to start new churches Matt 16:18 only Christ has this authority
He is the only mediator!

Where is your outrage on this gross attempt to usurp His authority, the authority of him being the only mediator?????????
What are you talking about?

Who usurps Jesus' authority as mediator? I do not believe that ANY besides Jesus mediate between God and man!

What Christian church believes that people perform mediation between God and man?

Much love!
 

theefaith

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I'm not talking about the reformation. I'm asking you for Scripture which tells us that . . .

While Jesus gave to 11 disciples the authority to remit or retain sins, where in the Bible are we taught that these disciples had the ability or right to transfer that authority to others?

That's my question.

Much love!

Jn 2:21-23

don’t you see it

what power authority and mission did Christ have?
Peter and the apostles have the same power authority and mission

Christ had authority to name apostles

the apostles have authority to name other apostles

that’s what is says: that’s what it means

AS MY FATHER SENT ME, I SEND YOU!

exactly the same!
 

theefaith

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It's logical to you that if God gives me some certain ability or authority, that I can pass that to someone else as if I were God?

It's not logical to me.

Besides, who cares if I think you can't and you think you can?

What matters is, is it in the Bible? No, it's not.

Much love!

Jn 20:21-23
 

theefaith

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And this was after John the Baptist, so why would he not know about baptism upon repentance.

And Washing for ritual purity was a Jewish tradition, so there's that too.

philip preach Matt 28:19 baptism
Obvious
 

theefaith

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No. That the apostles have successors to whom they transfer their powers.

Where is that in the Bible?

And please . . . I've seen your list, and the verses don't address the points.

What passage would you show that teaches this?

Much love!

Jn 20:21-23
 

theefaith

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What are you talking about?

Who usurps Jesus' authority as mediator? I do not believe that ANY besides Jesus mediate between God and man!

What Christian church believes that people perform mediation between God and man?

Much love!

luther! Now where’s the outrage!
 

theefaith

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The king's mother is the queen because she was married to his father, the previous king. That's what makes someone a queen.

Much love!

no the king decided who would be queen
He has that authority
 

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Jn 2:21-23

don’t you see it

what power authority and mission did Christ have?
Peter and the apostles have the same power authority and mission
No, I don't see where the Apostles had the authority or power to transfer their authority to others. Would you quote the passages, maybe highlight the part that says this?

Much love!
 

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No, I don't see where the Apostles had the authority or power to transfer their authority to others. Would you quote the passages, maybe highlight the part that says this?

Much love!

AS THE FATHER SENT ME, I SEND YOU

Same power authority and mission

Christ can choose
Apostles can choose

Acts 1 the choose mathias
 

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marks said:
It's logical to you that if God gives me some certain ability or authority, that I can pass that to someone else as if I were God?

It's not logical to me.

Besides, who cares if I think you can't and you think you can?

What matters is, is it in the Bible? No, it's not.

Much love!

Jn 20:21-23

John 20:21-23 KJV
21) Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22) And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23) Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Where is the part that they can transfer this? I don't see it.

Much love!