Rapture ... soon?

[Dave Watchman]

Jesus visited the disciples during a 40 day period after his resurrection - 10 physical visitations.

I know. But that was before Jesus had ascended, and the angel in Acts said Heaven must receive Him until the time to restore all things.

But I'm not worried about this one anymore, because Jesus did physically appear to Paul a couple times in Acts:

"The following night the Lord stood near Paul and said, “Take courage! As you have testified about me in Jerusalem, so you must also testify in Rome.” - Acts 23:11​

So the angel must have been talking about Jesus' main coming when every eye would see Him.

Why _ if Joshua already has the Holy Spirit _ would Jesus need to pay him a visit? Unless he wasn't saved in 2018?

Because that was Joshua's main communication with Jesus, that was the year when Jesus told him of the timing of Feast of Trumpets in 2025. That one was not a "vision". I also think 2018 was a significant year for other things. And it's one of the things that tends to convince me Joshua may be true.

Now this throws a wrench in the works. You know some of the things Joshua spoke of aside from the date, l passed off as additions to THE MESSAGE. In other words if Jesus only told him a date why blend it with additional thought of your own. I mean just stick with the words that Jesus uttered only. So here again, we have this expanded interview that should only speak of Jesus message. So where am I now? Not likey the taste of what I have been chewing.

It's because he does 1.5 and 2 hour videos. And the silly cent twinz are no help with all their oohing and ahing. Lol. Joshua talks too much. But I think I know what he was seeing in the vision when he says the mark of the beast will alter people's DNA. It's easy really. It's related to what Jesus was telling the Pharisees when He said they are of their father the Devil.

This should start when Joshua is talking about the mark of the beast changing people's DNA at around 48:30 in:

I don't think his vision needs to be understood in the context of actual human hybrids, or of some brain changing chip Musk might invent. Things already in the Script can explain it. Like I'm already a human hybrid now, a new creature in Christ. Born again with the DNA of God and His People. Having passed from death, into life.

The Blood of the Lamb.

But we can find these things in the Bible if you look hard enough, it's in there. We just have to nuance it out. Like when Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees and told them: "you are of your father the Devil. The Pharisees didn't really descend from Satan's blood, or the Devil's DNA, but this is a case where sonship is predicated on conduct. The Pharisees were of their father the Devil, because they wished to do Satan's will. It's the opposite of when we are given white robes, which is Christ's righteousness. Clothed in the glorious apparel of Christ’s righteousness, saved in the blood of the Lamb. DNA is present in blood primarily within the white blood cells, known as leukocytes.

This seems also related to where we are told we are Abraham's seed. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. We are changed, we are born again, new creatures in Christ. The Greek word for seed is 4690. sperma. DNA is primarily found within the sperm cells, which contain the genetic information of the male donor. The nucleus of each sperm cell holds the father's genetic material, making it the main source of DNA for forensic identification. So when people take the mark of the beast, Satan, they become born of the DNA of their father the Devil. They become new creatures, born of their father the Devil. It's a sort of symbolic explanation, but of a very real thing. Because human DNA is not carved in stone. DNA can be altered, DNA can be mutated.

There's probably more to this than can be addressed in a forum note. My latest conclusion is that any of the events which Joshua spoke about most recently, of which sounded strange to me after initially hearing them, may not in fact violate Scripture. They may just be as mysterious as any vision that God may show to a man, and that man attempts to describe an explanation of.

If this Joshua has been seeing actual visions from God, I know it sounds strange, but I wouldn't want to be found in the group in opposition of them, especially at this current time.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[TribulationSigns]

This is a good example of Spiritual insanity going on here. Right in this thread. This isn’t mere confusion; it’s a form of spiritual madness where reason is abandoned and truth is traded for sensational nonsense. When believers start insisting that the “mark” is rooted in human DNA, or that we’re the “human hybrids,” and then rally behind a self-styled prophet who pins the end to a specific date—September 22–23—they reveal not discernment but delusion. This is the fruit of fear, gossip, and a love of spectacle, not of sober faith.

We must call it what it is: a dangerous departure from Scripture and sound thinking. Test every claim against God’s Word. Reject date-setting and conspiracy peddlers. Repent of the appetite for rumors and return to prayerful study, humble sobriety, and clear-eyed evangelism. If you follow anyone who profits from headlines and hype rather than preaching Christ crucified, beware: their path leads people away from truth, not toward it.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Rapture ... next week?

Nope.... the man of sin has not been revealed yet.

Any and all date setters.... are false prophets.

The catching away of the church happens sometime after the anti-christ is revealed to the world and let's keep in mind the first part of the tribulation is seemingly peaceful which is how the anti-christ gets the entire world to follow him is thru a bait and switch scheme

He comes on the scene and this seemingly great humanitarian who promises peace and appears to have all the answers to the world's problems causing the vast majority of the world's population to follow him enthusiastically including many who claim to be Christians (the catholics pope will be the anti-christ's greatest cheerleader telling the world this man is sent by the Lord which is why the catholics pope is the false prophet).

Most people today cannot even discern which preachers are false teachers... so when the master deceiver comes along (satan will enter the anti-christ possessing him just as he did with Judas) most folks will follow him like he's the pied piper

 

[Dave Watchman]

When believers start insisting that the “mark” is rooted in human DNA, or that we’re the “human hybrids,” and then rally behind a self-styled prophet who pins the end to a specific date—September 22–23—they reveal not discernment but delusion. This is the fruit of fear, gossip, and a love of spectacle, not of sober faith.

Believers in this thread are not insisting that the “mark” is rooted in human DNA, or that we’re the “human hybrids,” we are commenting on what was said in an interview which is the subject of the OP in this thread. We'll know for sure by next Tuesday/Wednesday.

I've already said I'm, 50/50. I'm on the fence. I can't say yes, I can't say no. I can't find anything to seriously disqualify the subject of the OP. If I could, I would post it. I'm giving my best answer for Ron because he is asking.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

We'll know for sure by next Tuesday/Wednesday.

Have Christians learned nothing concerning how the date setters are ALWAYS false prophets and not of the Lord?

Obviously not...

 

[Dave Watchman]

Nope.... the man of sin has not been revealed yet.

The catching away of the church happens sometime after the anti-christ is revealed to the world and let's keep in mind the first part of the tribulation is seemingly peaceful which is how the anti-christ gets the entire world to follow him is thru a bait and switch scheme

Hi Dan. That's a great point. In one of the multiple hours of interviews, Joshua from Africa answered this and said that the man of sin is revealed only after the resurrection/rapture in September on the Feast of Trumpets.

That would mean anyone who missed this next resurrection/rapture, would only have a chance of doing things the hard way, by not taking the mark of the beast. It might clarify this verse:

"If anyone is to be taken captive,
to captivity he goes;
if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
with the sword must he be slain.​

​

Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.​

Or this verse:

"And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, Blessed are the dead--those who die in the Lord from this moment on. Yes, says the Spirit, they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.​

These will be the those. Those who are coming, one at a time, out of great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

In the videos Joshua also mentioned the Apophis asteroid he saw mentioned by Tom Horn. He said he didn't agree with Tom Horn on everything, but that asteroid in 2029 marked the middle of a seven year span to 2032 on the Day of Atonement.

The fun part is, one of the YouTube creators is having a 24hour livestream on the 23rd and 24th with Joshua Mhlakela. He is Michael from the Medic for Christ channel. Already Michael has done a video where he is weary from all the fighting this has caused. If he thinks he is tired and sad now, just wait until next week if there is no rapture after a 24 hour livestream.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Have Christians learned nothing concerning how the date setters are ALWAYS false prophets and not of the Lord?

Obviously not...

Looks like not. But someday, somebody might get it right. If this is the guy, I'm not goin to whip tomatoes at him, before the time to do so comes. We only have to wait until next week to find out.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Hi Dan. That's a great point. In one of the multiple hours of interviews, Joshua from Africa answered this and said that the man of sin is revealed only after the resurrection/rapture in September on the Feast of Trumpets.

He forgot to study God's Word on this and he's wrong

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

*The phrase ”Gathering together”
Strongs 1997 = from 1996; a complete collection; especially a Christian meeting (for worship): -- assembling (gathering) together.
Strongs 1996 = from 1909 and 4863; to collect upon the same place: KJV -- gather (together).

*The phrase ”Falling Away”
Strongs 646 = feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"): KJV -- falling away, forsake.
Strongs 647 = neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of 868; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce: KJV -- (writing of) divorcement.
Strongs 868 = from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: KJV -- depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.

*Same word is translated “forsake” in Acts 21:21 - so this is what the word means: many will forsake the Lord (speaking of those that were Christians but fall away)

Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed

This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct
where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power

Some claim the word translated “falling away” really means rapture… if that were true, then 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 would say the rapture won't happen until the rapture happens and the anti-christ be revealed which it does NOT say.

 

[Dave Watchman]

He forgot to study God's Word on this and he's wrong

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

*The phrase ”Gathering together”
Strongs 1997 = from 1996; a complete collection; especially a Christian meeting (for worship): -- assembling (gathering) together.
Strongs 1996 = from 1909 and 4863; to collect upon the same place: KJV -- gather (together).

*The phrase ”Falling Away”
Strongs 646 = feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"): KJV -- falling away, forsake.
Strongs 647 = neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of 868; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce: KJV -- (writing of) divorcement.
Strongs 868 = from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: KJV -- depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.

That's a good job on the study. I understand it differently than the subject of the OP. We had already speculated if God may have revealed the timing of it to Joshua, but not every detail of the doctrine.

*Same word is translated “forsake” in Acts 21:21 - so this is what the word means: many will forsake the Lord (speaking of those that were Christians but fall away)

Again, that's a really good job on the study. But I understand this different than all. I think the apostacy, the "rebellion" happened already, and the man of sin is here. I won't jinx this thread with my understanding of it today.

Except to point out, as you have noticed, the same word translated from Acts. It's only used twice.

646. apostasia

Acts 21:21 N-AFS
GRK: σοῦ ὅτι ἀποστασίαν διδάσκεις ἀπὸ
NAS: the Gentiles to forsake Moses,
KJV: the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying
INT: you that apostasy you teach from

The first time it was used in Acts was to call attention to the Gentiles forsaking Moses. Forsaking Moses. Forsaking the Laws of Moses. Rebellion from the things God said to do.

In my view we have already been living in this end time rebellion for some time, from all the abortion laws, and same sex marriage laws, and the man of sin, who ultimately is Satan, has culminated his time now. The rebels have reached their limit. Their Stern Faced King is here.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

We had already speculated if God may have revealed the timing of it to Joshua

Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Jesus isn't speculating. Anybody trying to say what day the Lord is coming is a false prophet and is ignoring what Jesus said.

God cannot lie so even if someone accidentally claimed the right day... the Lord will move His return to another day so He is not made in to a liar so date setting will never work.

the apostasy, the "rebellion" happened already, and the man of sin is here.

The falling away is ongoing as more and more fall away every day due to mass deception thru false teachers who have come in the Name of Jesus and will deceive many as Jesus spoke of in Matt 24.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Jesus isn't speculating. Anybody trying to say what day the Lord is coming is a false prophet and is ignoring what Jesus said.

The Feast of Trumpets is a two day event.

That verse: "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only", is understood by several sources as a Jewish idiom referencing the Feast of Trumpets, also known as Rosh Hashanah. Or Yom Teruah.

This feast, celebrated on the first day of the seventh month in the Jewish calendar, is uniquely determined by the sighting of the new moon, a process that could not be precisely calculated in advance.

Two witnesses were required to confirm the new moon's appearance, and only after their report was validated by the Sanhedrin could the feast officially begin, making the exact day and hour unknown to the public until confirmed.

This uncertainty is why the Feast of Trumpets became known as "The Day That No Man Knows".

Jesus, speaking to a Jewish audience familiar with this custom, used this idiom to convey that His return would be associated with this feast, linking the Rapture to the trumpet call of God described in 1 Thessalonians 4.

The imagery of the trumpet blast, which signals the feast and is believed to proclaim the resurrection of the dead, further aligns with the prophetic expectation of Jesus' return.

People have speculated the resurrection may occur on the Feast of Trumpets, they just couldn't figure out which Feast of Trumpets it would hit on.

Do you feel lucky Dan?

God cannot lie

I'm sorry you would insinuate I would suggest He did.

Let God be true, and every man a liar.

Peaceful Sabbath

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Do you feel lucky Dan?

There's n o such thing as "luck" and I'm not the one trying to guess what day the Lord is returning.

Jesus, speaking to a Jewish audience familiar with this custom, used this idiom to convey that His return would be associated with this feast

Too bad Jesus did not actually say that or make that claim.

Jesus is not a liar, so if He says now man will know the day... that means no man will know the day.

I'm sorry you would insinuate I would suggest He did.

I was speaking in general terms and never said you claimed God could lie... but it's pretty funny that you would think that.

Sounds like the musings of someone with a guilty conscience or something

 

[Dave Watchman]

Have Christians learned nothing concerning how the date setters are ALWAYS false prophets and not of the Lord?

Obviously not...

Here's a guy for you.

He will wager $1000.00 for no rapture.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

What scriptural justification do you have for a 80 year generation?

Psalm 90:10 "The days of our lives are seventy years; And if by reason of strength they are eighty years, Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow; For it is soon cut off, and we fly away."

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You somehow believe that one has to watch the entire video before forming an opinion. You only have to listen to the first five minutes to see "Joshua" is a deceiver. I am ONE BILLION percent sure he is lying through his teeth.

Why not get the full story. In a courtroom of law, all the evidence needs to be presented, as many eye witnesses, a prepared prosecution and defence before the jury can make a fair judgment.
It appears you would put the guy in jail before hearing the story, examining the evidence. Let's hope nothing happens to you in the future and your accusers decide you are guilty before hearing your case.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

When believers start insisting that the “mark” is rooted in human DNA, or that we’re the “human hybrids

Transhumanism has already been experimented with. But listen, taking the mark of the Beast basically_ more than anything else_ is a person's decision to reject Jesus and receive the Antichrist and his government. No one said a hybrid was necessary for his followers, just a possibility. I really don 't care what happens to reprobate and it's better if we were removed from the whole scene.
>> Anyways, none of this would interest a Amillennial, so why not just move along?

 

[shepherdsword]

Why not get the full story. In a courtroom of law, all the evidence needs to be presented, as many eye witnesses, a prepared prosecution and defence before the jury can make a fair judgment.
It appears you would put the guy in jail before hearing the story, examining the evidence. Let's hope nothing happens to you in the future and your accusers decide you are guilty before hearing your case.

Don't even pretend that this guy has any merit and we should hear him out. It's obvious he is either delusional or a charlatan. It's not a court case, it's an observation about a guy claiming he physically saw the Lord and was told he is coming back in 14 days. He is not of the truth. I am not putting him in jail or anywhere else. I am saying we shouldn't listen to his garbage,

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Don't even pretend that this guy has any merit and we should hear him out. It's obvious he is either delusional or a charlatan. It's not a court case, it's an observation about a guy claiming he physically saw the Lord and was told he is coming back in 14 days. He is not of the truth. I am not putting him in jail or anywhere else. I am saying we shouldn't listen to his garbage,

And you absolutely do not have to listen to him nor participate in this thread.

 

[HealthyShape]

The "beginning of sorrows" in Matthew 24. ( earthquakes, pestilence, wars, rumors of wars, etc)... This prophecy was never fulfilled in any other previous generation, nor was it possible; but it has recently been fulfilled in ours. The Gospel has been preached to every nation down to the remote tribes as well. So get ready.
Oh BTW, if nothing happens in our 80 year generation, I will still likely be living the good life, retired in Texas. I will not shift the starting date to 1967 and come out with a revised prophetic story!
Why, because I will have come to grips with the whole scenario and discard it, admitting it was wrong.

Well, 2028 is not that far away. I wonder how you will discard "the prophecy has been fulfilled" claim, after that and what eschatology will you adopt.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I didn't prophesy about any 40 year generation, Hal Lindsey did in his book, "The Late Great Planet Earth". And some prophecy buffs, Pastors jumped on that band wagon. I got saved in 1991 - so missed that false alarm. Then there was Y2K. I was skeptical about that. They just fixed the computers. But still, even if there was a computer meltdown, that did not mean the end of the world. Then people got excited about the Mayan prediction, for 2012. That was not Biblically supported either.
I have held to the 80 year generation for a while and besides that, Jesus gave us signs to look for. The "beginning of sorrows" in Matthew 24. ( earthquakes, pestilence, wars, rumors of wars, etc). Of course people can claim that has been a reality for thousands of years. But not with such a heightened frequency.

I missed this note while I was reading yesterday. Even if there were no resurrection on this Feast of Trumpets, at this time I would still see the 80 years as valid.

At the beginning of the Cent twins part 2 interview, Joshua does a good job describing why people get stressed out and even angry with all the rapture predictions. From around 5 to 7 minutes in. I copied some of the transcript:

"Almost everyone quoted the scripture to say nobody knows the hour the time that you know his the day or the hour of his return. So let's get into it. Okay. So, what I've realized is that people are traumatized by the setting of dates. I'm saying for the lack of a better word, they are traumatized because let me say, let me use another word and say people are worn out. Okay. Okay. This date is set. It comes and it goes. But I want to comfort people and I want to assure them that the date that I have come with is the final one. Sure. There there is no other date when it comes to if the gospel has reached the world, if it has reached everybody. I guess there only God can know that only God can know. I hear you. How many people or how many billions of people have received the gospel? Only God can know that. So I'm comforting people with this word that the date that I have come up with Mhm. that others also are confirming is irrefutable. So it's the final date. It is the final date. It cannot be disproven. It cannot be because I hear other people are talking about postponement.​

But his main sign was Matthew 24:14. This prophecy was never fulfilled in any other previous generation, nor was it possible; but it has recently been fulfilled in ours. The Gospel has been preached to every nation down to the remote tribes as well. So get ready.

I believe this is true. I'm sure of it. It was the end that had come, which was the Gospel being preached by man to the ends of the earth. Then the power was given to the Two Witnesses, they took over.

There are a bunch of things like this that have been happening, and are happening now. There's a bunch of things. Too many to list. I was smart yesterday for not bringing them up. John Chau, and Charlie Kirk I believe are markers, or signals. They frame in a heptad of time. And they are not the only objects doing so. There's a lot going on right now.

Oh BTW, if nothing happens in our 80 year generation, I will still likely be living the good life, retired in Texas. I will not shift the starting date to 1967 and come out with a revised prophetic story!
Why, because I will have come to grips with the whole scenario and discard it, admitting it was wrong. Even if I wanted to, I would likely not see 2047 - I'd be 92. Unless I keep eating organic only - then maybe.

I'm promise not to get into this right now. I actually think it is January 1969 and Levi Eshkol. But it's not 80 years we need to add to that, only 49 years, 7 heptads.

It's probably in our DNA, but I'm a big believer in keeping the weight down. Do a fast for a day once and awhile. We don't see too many heavy old people. Because once we get too big, the blood pressure goes up. Insulin resistance goes up. There's danger for strokes, liver failure, heat attacks and poor eyesight. Get a blood pressure monitor. One with the arm cuff.

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Or maybe wait until next Wednesday in case we're out of here.

Maybe we should put out extra food for the animals, maybe get an automatic fish feeder.