What are you talking about? Anything goes! There is no sense of truth and sanity in your repeated false predictions?
There is no shame, no conviction, no apologies and no repentance. Scary!
What a religious circus!!!
Rapture ... soon?
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There is no shame, no conviction, no apologies and no repentance. Scary!
What a religious circus!!!
You know, it just seems like people aren't ready for the Rapture ( I mean those who actually believe there will be one). Most of them just don't have oil in their candles I guess? They're maybe too comfortable in this world, conformed, settled in their ways, jobs ... cruisin ... don't want any interuptions quite yet. "Soon Lord ... but not now... I have too many plans ..." They want more out of this life ... Many items on their bucket list haven't been checked. Or "I'm too young" ... "I just graduated school"... "What the heck ... we have a baby coming!" And for those who think we must go through the entire Great Tribulation before we are taken out, well who can get excited about catastrophic devastation, years of misery and suffering unless you are lucky enough to die quickly?
As far as the Amils go, they weren't invited ...just ignor them, they come out of the gate like madmen with machetes trying to hack apart the topic and it's perpetrator like a mob on a witch hunt.
>> I think the thread is about finished though, I received enough negative responses to close the topic in this forum with a general consensus of just another False prophecy.
We can communicate personally if you want. If not, take care brother.
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Yes! Indeed. Nobody is ready but you. Yea, right! This is what Pretrib produces: a holier than thou mindset. We are the people. We are better than the rest. Pro 11:2 warns: "When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom."
It is based on a fallacy. It is totally unbiblical.
What a sad religious circus. You are treating sacred things with such a flippancy. So sad! This folly has brought confusion and shame upon the truth of Christ's return.
It is not just that this is a religious mess, it is the fact that you promote false teaching that does not enjoy one single proof text.
How about actually showing us any Scripture that teaches a rapture of the Church followed by a 7 years trib followed by a 3rd coming, instead of always voicing personal opinions?
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You need to drop your head in shame at promoting this circus and repent to the posters who bought into it.
Paul instructed the first church that the coming of the Lord and the end of the their world is so close that they should not marry and that they should even ignore their wives if they are married:
"The time that remains is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not...For this world in its present form is passing away."
1 Cor. 7:29
In the same letter, Paul continues:
..the ends of the ages have come.
1Cor 10:11
"Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed..."
1 Cor. 15:51
Do you believe Paul failed like this Jeshua guy?
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soberxp
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soberxp
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Because I saw the return of Jesus Christ in 2008.10.10, so believe it or not, I need to say it, Because my city is pronounced Zion. Isn't it amazing?But in the past the name of the city was "long peace"
10.10 is also a key historical time for the founding of New China，That was a revolution.
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Are you going to apologize for posting this sensationalistic deception and declare "Joshua" a false prophet?
David in NJ
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To PROVE to you that God SAVED me in CHRIST and has blessed with the Holy Spirit, here is a prophesy from the LORD Jesus Christ:
Two years ago God spoke this prophesy to anyone who is willing to listen:
"There will be no pre-trib rapture in 2024 or 2025"
2024 Prophesy FULFILLED
2025 Prophesy in FULFILLMENT
@Douggg @Ronald David Bruno @GRACE ambassador @marks
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David in NJ
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Dear soberxp,
Please share the details of "I saw the return of Jesus Christ in 2008.10.10
rebuilder 454
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He does gather after the trib.
We all know that.
You have proved nothing.
By leaving out the gathering before the flood, (hello....mat 24 's OTHER GATHERING ) you make yourself a DISTORTER of God's WORD.
APOLOGIZE to heaven for misrepresenting the word of God
Psssst..that is called lying.
A fibber accusing us of fibbing.
Dan Clarkston
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Actually the Lord raised up the USA to support the gospel going out to the world AND to support Israel
Today's moslems are the same as they were in ancient times... they seek to murder any and all who are connected with the Lord and the Jews are descendants of God's friend Abraham.
Those claiming the Lord has forsaken the descendants of Abraham are saying that because they speak in behalf of satan.
We know that because they opposes God's Word.
Romans 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
Those standing against Israel are cursed and are on the highway to hell and are too slow to realize it.
That's what satan and his followers always say about God's Word.
Carnal minded people get carnal minded results... blindness to the Truth!
Why don't you start a thread about how gambling and games of chance are blessings from "the lord"
That's what the followers of the devil keep saying, among other lies seeing they don't accept the whole counsel of the Lord.
These people are followers of satan and have not called upon the Lord
These are absurd speculations and cannot be found in the Bible, unless you want to twist the Bible like you did.
Dan Clarkston
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The racist Jew haters always side with the moslems as they advocate for all Jews to be murdered.
These folks will be spending eternity with the devil and his crowd.
I recommend REPENTING of this sinful behavior, but rarely do these folks turn away from walking in darkness seeing the devil has blinded their understanding and they can no longer hear the Truth of God's Word being void of the Holy Spirit and all.
It's really sad to see those folks continuing on the highway to hell, it really is.
Lol. Anyone who disagrees with you and Pretrib are racist and on the way to hell. How ludicrous!
Dan Clarkston
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Lots of folks in the last days are blinded by the devil and cannot understand Truth so that's par for course seeing they have not the Spirit.
The last days were in the 1st century. You do not know what you are talking about.
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.
Heb 1:2
It is not only Pretribbers that are being deceived and trying to deceive others. It's also Preterists and those who are not Preterists themselves, yet align with Preterist thinking, that are being deceived and trying to deceive others. How, you might ask? Simple--Matthew 24:21. The latter would have us believe that is not involving great wrath upon the church in the final days of this age, it's involving what happened to the Jews leading up to 70 AD. Therefore, no Christian has anything to worry about in the future regarding Matthew 24:21, because it has already been fulfilled almost 2000 years ago.
What then are these Pretribbers so scared of then, so scared to face in the future, if not Matthew 24:21 and what all that will be involving, such as the 42 month reign of the beast? That's what they are hoping to escape via a rapture before Matthew 24:21 begins being fulfilled, is it not? That's the only tribulation I'm aware of in the NT that calls it great tribulation. Not just great tribulation, but such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
From what I can tell, most Amils, though maybe not all Amils, insist Matthew 24:21 has already been fulfilled almost 2000 years ago. Sure, there are some Premils that insist that as well, yet I have noted more Amils insisting that than I have noted Premils insisting that. It mainly seems to be Amils that are more aligned with Preterist thinking than Premils being aligned with Preterist thinking.
Imagine that, agreeing with Preterists in Matthew 24 when Preterists can't even remotely interpret Matthew 24:30,31,34 correctly, for example. But somehow they can interpret Matthew 24:21 correctly, though?
Pretribbers and Preterists and those that align with Preterists have a lot in common. Both insist that the literal city of Jerusalem and a literal temple there is meant in Matthew 24:15-21. And both insist great tribulation is involving great tribulation upon unbelieving Jews. Regardless that Christ made the 2nd temple or any future rebuilt temple obsolete when He died and then the moment He rose.
Therefore, the holy place meant in Matthew 24:15 couldn't possibly be meaning the 2nd temple before it was destroyed, nor a rebuilt one in the future. Unless one wants to speak with a forked tongue and insist any and all man-made temples became obsolete when He died and then the moment He rose, thus no longer the holy place, but that the holy place meant in Matthew 24:15 is meaning a man-made temple, maybe the 2nd temple before it was destroyed, or maybe a rebuilt one in the future.
And the ironic thing about it is this. If Pretribbers argue for a rebuilt temple in the future, these same Preterists and those that align with them will then argue how can it mean a rebuilt temple in the future when Christ had already made man-made temples obsolete by His death and resurrection 2000 years earlier?
Talk about being hypocritical here. The holy place can't mean a rebuilt temple 2000 years after Christ died and rose but it can be and is meaning the 2nd temple 40 years after He died and rose. Except the argument is--Christ had already made man-made temples obsolete by His death and resurrection. Therefore, how can a rebuilt temple in the future not be valid but a 2nd temple 40 years later can be valid? No matter how you look at it, both views undeniably contradict the argument that Christ had already made man-made temples obsolete by His death and resurrection, period. As in end of story.
Rather than this instead---any and all man-made temples became obsolete when He died and then the moment He rose, therefore, the holy place meant in Matthew 24:15 can't be meaning a man-made temple, period.
And so what if I can't explain what the following might look like if not meaning in the literal sense--But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day(Matthew 24:20). But guess what? I also can't explain what the fleeing recorded in Revelation 18:4 might look like either, since I also do not take that in the literal sense.
Actually, in regards to Matthew 24:20, I don't need to explain anything to begin with. Christ's death and resurrection already explains it, that the holy place meant in verse 15 can't be meaning a man-made temple. Therefore, Matthew 24:20 can't be meaning in the literal sense unless it is a flat out lie that Christ's death and resurrection made any and all man-made temples obsolete, therefore, no man-made temple can be the holy place from that point on, ever again--- not 40 years later nor 2000 years later.
What then are these Pretribbers so scared of then, so scared to face in the future, if not Matthew 24:21 and what all that will be involving, such as the 42 month reign of the beast? That's what they are hoping to escape via a rapture before Matthew 24:21 begins being fulfilled, is it not? That's the only tribulation I'm aware of in the NT that calls it great tribulation. Not just great tribulation, but such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
From what I can tell, most Amils, though maybe not all Amils, insist Matthew 24:21 has already been fulfilled almost 2000 years ago. Sure, there are some Premils that insist that as well, yet I have noted more Amils insisting that than I have noted Premils insisting that. It mainly seems to be Amils that are more aligned with Preterist thinking than Premils being aligned with Preterist thinking.
Imagine that, agreeing with Preterists in Matthew 24 when Preterists can't even remotely interpret Matthew 24:30,31,34 correctly, for example. But somehow they can interpret Matthew 24:21 correctly, though?
Pretribbers and Preterists and those that align with Preterists have a lot in common. Both insist that the literal city of Jerusalem and a literal temple there is meant in Matthew 24:15-21. And both insist great tribulation is involving great tribulation upon unbelieving Jews. Regardless that Christ made the 2nd temple or any future rebuilt temple obsolete when He died and then the moment He rose.
Therefore, the holy place meant in Matthew 24:15 couldn't possibly be meaning the 2nd temple before it was destroyed, nor a rebuilt one in the future. Unless one wants to speak with a forked tongue and insist any and all man-made temples became obsolete when He died and then the moment He rose, thus no longer the holy place, but that the holy place meant in Matthew 24:15 is meaning a man-made temple, maybe the 2nd temple before it was destroyed, or maybe a rebuilt one in the future.
And the ironic thing about it is this. If Pretribbers argue for a rebuilt temple in the future, these same Preterists and those that align with them will then argue how can it mean a rebuilt temple in the future when Christ had already made man-made temples obsolete by His death and resurrection 2000 years earlier?
Talk about being hypocritical here. The holy place can't mean a rebuilt temple 2000 years after Christ died and rose but it can be and is meaning the 2nd temple 40 years after He died and rose. Except the argument is--Christ had already made man-made temples obsolete by His death and resurrection. Therefore, how can a rebuilt temple in the future not be valid but a 2nd temple 40 years later can be valid? No matter how you look at it, both views undeniably contradict the argument that Christ had already made man-made temples obsolete by His death and resurrection, period. As in end of story.
Rather than this instead---any and all man-made temples became obsolete when He died and then the moment He rose, therefore, the holy place meant in Matthew 24:15 can't be meaning a man-made temple, period.
And so what if I can't explain what the following might look like if not meaning in the literal sense--But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day(Matthew 24:20). But guess what? I also can't explain what the fleeing recorded in Revelation 18:4 might look like either, since I also do not take that in the literal sense.
Actually, in regards to Matthew 24:20, I don't need to explain anything to begin with. Christ's death and resurrection already explains it, that the holy place meant in verse 15 can't be meaning a man-made temple. Therefore, Matthew 24:20 can't be meaning in the literal sense unless it is a flat out lie that Christ's death and resurrection made any and all man-made temples obsolete, therefore, no man-made temple can be the holy place from that point on, ever again--- not 40 years later nor 2000 years later.
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