Rapture ... soon?

[David in NJ]

explain how this shows she opposes Christ ? i fail to see where she opposes i must say so far none of this makes sense other than the rapture will take place.. i fail to even come close to following your time frame

@Marilyn C and others are following man-made doctrines that oppose the words of CHRIST and the Apostles.

From her post 1,495 she reproves the words of Christ by saying that the only Jews that rejected Christ are from when JESUS walked this earth.

The LORD Jesus Christ was very specific when HE prophesied against the Jewish nation who had Him crucified.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See!
Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

“Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.
Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

“Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?
“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

 

[Ezra]

@Marilyn C and others are following man-made doctrines that oppose the words of CHRIST and the Apostles.

From her post 1,495 she reproves the words of Christ by saying that the only Jews that rejected Christ are from when JESUS walked this earth.

The LORD Jesus Christ was very specific when HE prophesied against the Jewish nation who had Him crucified.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See!
Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

“Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.
Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

“Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?
“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

i think you ran out into left field to try catch a pop up fly ball. and cant find home plate . i am sorry but your theology i cant buy into... your appearing like your the only one who knows end times . when in reality the man thing i need to know is be ready watching and listening for the trumpet

 

[Marilyn C]

By your own words that oppose the LORD Jesus Christ.

So...where is that against the Lord talking to the nation of His day.

It was only the 12 spies and the generation of unbelief in the wilderness that did not enter the Promised land. The next generations did.

 

[David in NJ]

i think you ran out into left field to try catch a pop up fly ball. and cant find home plate . i am sorry but your theology i cant buy into... your appearing like your the only one who knows end times . when in reality the man thing i need to know is be ready watching and listening for the trumpet

You wish to accept blindness over the words of Christ and the Apostles???

My my how prideful 'christians' have become.........claiming to be wise they place blinders on their eyes

REALITY is the Word of God = ALL of IT = Matt 4:4

Oppose any word that comes from the Mouth of God and you agree with the serpent in the Garden = "did God really say"

 

[David in NJ]

So...where is that against the Lord talking to the nation of His day.

JESUS Said that the entire nation has been left in desolation:
#1 - "their house has been left desolate and destroyed" = No forgiveness allotted to them = Matt 23:38
#2 - "they will see ME/Salvation no more until they say Blessed is HE who comes, the Lord" = Matt 23:39

The false and deceptive man-made doctrines you follow oppose these words of CHRIST = just as you stated.

It was only the 12 spies and the generation of unbelief in the wilderness that did not enter the Promised land. The next generations did.

The next Generation entered the promised land not by Moses, but by Joshua = the name Yashua is the same as Yeshua

You also oppose these words of the Holy Spirit in Hebrews

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.

 

[Marilyn C]

JESUS Said that the entire nation has been left in desolation:
#1 - "their house has been left desolate and destroyed" = No forgiveness allotted to them = Matt 23:38
#2 - "they will see ME/Salvation no more until they say Blessed is HE who comes, the Lord" = Matt 23:39

The false and deceptive man-made doctrines you follow oppose these words of CHRIST = just as you stated.


The next Generation entered the promised land not by Moses, but by Joshua = the name Yashua is the same as Yeshua

You also oppose these words of the Holy Spirit in Hebrews

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.

However, that generation entered the Promised Land. God had NOT cast them away.

`I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! ...` (Rom. 11: 1)

God will still deal with His nation of Israel and they will enter His rest.

`I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you;

I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statues, and you will keep My judgment and do them. Then you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be Mt people and I will be your God...` (Ez. 36: 24 - 28)

 

[David in NJ]

However, that generation entered the Promised Land. God had NOT cast them away.

`I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! ...` (Rom. 11: 1)

God will still deal with His nation of Israel and they will enter His rest.

`I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you;

I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statues, and you will keep My judgment and do them. Then you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be Mt people and I will be your God...` (Ez. 36: 24 - 28)

Joshua leading Israel into the promised land is a Foreshadow of Christ leading us into Salvation.

YES, God has a Plan to restore the Jewish people = "He has not permanently cast them away" but they are without Salvation.
As such, they remain in sin and darkness, from the moment they rejected Christ, for the past 2,000 years and even Today.

#1 JESUS Says the Jewish nation are left in DESOLATION until HE Returns = Matthew chapters 21-23

#2 - This DESOLATION means they have No-forgiveness of sins = Both when they rejected Christ, for the past 2,000 years and Today.

#3 - Paul is repeating the words of Christ in Romans chapters 9 thru 11 , whereby:
a.) the Jewish nation/Israel is lost in sin and they cannot please God
b.) ONLY when JESUS Returns will they be Restored when they say "Blessed is HE who comes, the Lord"

Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is for their salvation. For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge.
Because they/Israel were ignorant of God’s righteousness and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.
For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes.

When JESUS Returns, HE will save the remnant of Jews whom God preserved from the Day of Jacob's Trouble = Zech chapters 13 & 14

 

[Ezra]

My my how prideful 'christians' have become.........claiming to be wise they place blinders on their eyes

sorry buddy i claim no such thing .on the other hand it is you who claims to know all .thats twice you played the role of the accuser of the brethern

 

[David in NJ]

sorry buddy i claim no such thing .on the other hand it is you who claims to know all .thats twice you played the role of the accuser of the brethern

It is you who slandered and accused twice your post 1,502 and now this 1,508

You better repent from your pride and accusing the brethren.

 

[Ezra]

It is you who slandered and accused twice your post 1,502 and now this 1,508

You better repent from your pride and accusing the brethren.

your nuts i have no time for people like you .dont bother replying ..i am putting you on ignore ..others may want to reply to you.. i have no time for your antics

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The latest report from the "Things To Come" missionary organization reveals that the tribes and nations of
Nepal are just getting started planting churches and teaching the Grace walk to the people there with about
1% Christians = got Quite A Ways, 99%, To Go, eh?

The first missionaries arrived in Nepal 400 years ago. Christian groups there estimate the number to be 1 million, possibly more.
The gospel has been preached to every nation. Matt. 24:14 "all the nations", not every person, not even every tribe, but likely all tribes have been touched. Even most Muslim majority nations have 3-5% Christians. China and India have each over 100 million. Even underground churches exist in North Korea with 400k Christians..Jesus is coming soon!

 

[Marilyn C]

The first missionaries arrived in Nepal 400 years ago. Christian groups there estimate the number to be 1 million, possibly more.
The gospel has been preached to every nation. Matt. 24:14 "all the nations", not every person, not even every tribe, but likely all tribes have been touched. Even most Muslim majority nations have 3-5% Christians. China and India have each over 100 million. Even underground churches exist in North Korea with 400k Christians..Jesus is coming soon!

Jesus said - `And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.` (Matt. 24: 14)

This `gospel of the kingdom,` is the good news that Jesus will rule through Israel over the nations as promised.

`Now I sat that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers...` (Rom. 15: 8)

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Jesus said - `And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.` (Matt. 24: 14)

This `gospel of the kingdom,` is the good news that Jesus will rule through Israel over the nations as promised.

`Now I sat that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers...` (Rom. 15: 8)

Do you mean Matt.24:14 pertains to the Millennial Kingdom?
It answers one part of the question the disciples asked about His Second Coming.
Romans 15:8 confirms Jesus came as a servant to the Jews as promised in order that the Gentiles would hear the truth as well. This was about His 1st coming and correlates to the beginnings of the spreading the gospel to the world. Matt. 24:14 brings us to the end of the spreading and the beginning of the Great Tribulation.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Jesus' parables about he Second Coming, our readiness for it and His coming judgment in the Great Tribulation are about to be fulfilled _ in this age. It doesn't appear that you recognize any of the signs; nor are you ready. It will be like in the days of Noah for you. Either get on board the Ark or be swept away by the flood.
Our resurrection happens at the Second Coming. Then there will be a Millennial Kingdom, a time of peace, love, joy and harmony like the world has bever seen, Paradise reborn.
Then towards the end ( as described in Rev. 20) a final war, the second resurrection, the Great White Throne Judgment which will amount to the destruction of Hades and all those who were in it, Death itself, the 1st Heavens and 1st Earth - all destroyed in the Lake Of Fire. (2 Peter 3:10).
We went over this many times and you disagree. You don't interpret this chapter literally and likely most of Revelation and your eschatology in general is like a Picasso painting to me.

You will not change my mind nor will I change yours, so let's keep separate and ignor eachother from now on.

I was thinking about this yesterday.

Postribber doctrine has a imagined "one coming" that they can not defend.

With that in mind, mat 24 has 2 comings depicted by Jesus, one after the trib ( the second coming of rev 19 on millions of horses) and then the rapture depicted by Jesus,: " before the flood"

This creates a postribber dilemma.
So their remedy is to assign some changes to the rapture Jesus said was " before the flood"...." one taken/one left behind"

Here is the part I was pondering;
Postribbers say recklessly, without any thought, that half the planet is taken to destruction. ( one taken, one left).

So...the dilemma is, under that false theory, Jesus told those doomed to destruction, and taken, to "watch and be ready"?????
Huh????

Surely Jesus was confused if he said; "watch and be ready ", to, "watch me not take you but someone beside you"

A taxi is coming to get Mary.
Her mother tells her to watch and get ready.
Mary does nothing, because she transposed what was told her to her friend next door.
Mary's theory is that suzi next door has been wicked, so taxis only take wicked.

What a twisted messed up end to a bad doctrine!

Ahem...Mary missed the taxi cab arrival.
( she was hiding canned goods under her bed for some imagined hard times).

Way way off.
Too funny

 

[rebuilder 454]

Jesus said - `And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.` (Matt. 24: 14)

This `gospel of the kingdom,` is the good news that Jesus will rule through Israel over the nations as promised.

`Now I sat that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers...` (Rom. 15: 8)

Excellent pretrib rapture power point!

Yes the church has left , and is in heaven during the trib, as Jesus taught.
That is why ANGELS preach the gospel during the trib.
......as we see in Rev 14

I also support the pretrib rapture!

 

[Ezra]

Way way off.

yes you are you have completely missed the mark ..i hold to pre trib and have never heard any of this stuff your posting why would God chose to punish his children with the lost who have rejected Him? he has not appointed the born again to wrath but to obtain salvation

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

However, that generation entered the Promised Land. God had NOT cast them away.

`I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! ...` (Rom. 11: 1)

God will still deal with His nation of Israel and they will enter His rest.

`I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you;

I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statues, and you will keep My judgment and do them. Then you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be Mt people and I will be your God...` (Ez. 36: 24 - 28)

You come across as if you believe that God did not cast away the people of Israel away permanently, but only temporarily. Is that what you're intending to say? If so, that is not AT ALL what Paul was saying in Romans 11:1. He was saying that God did not cast away His people that He foreknew at all (not even temporarily) and the evidence Paul gave for that was himself and the rest of the elect remnant of believers of his day.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus said - `And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.` (Matt. 24: 14)

This `gospel of the kingdom,` is the good news that Jesus will rule through Israel over the nations as promised.

`Now I sat that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers...` (Rom. 15: 8)

This is horrible false teaching. There is only one gospel. The gospel of the kingdom is the gospel of Christ and it is the good news that Jesus Christ died and rose again from the dead to give the opportunity of eternal life to all in the world who believe in Him! You are preaching a false gospel! Here is what Paul says about that...

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I was thinking about this yesterday.

Postribber doctrine has a imagined "one coming" that they can not defend.

With that in mind, mat 24 has 2 comings depicted by Jesus, one after the trib ( the second coming of rev 19 on millions of horses) and then the rapture depicted by Jesus,: " before the flood"

This creates a postribber dilemma.
So their remedy is to assign some changes to the rapture Jesus said was " before the flood"...." one taken/one left behind"

Here is the part I was pondering;
Postribbers say recklessly, without any thought, that half the planet is taken to destruction. ( one taken, one left).

So...the dilemma is, under that false theory, Jesus told those doomed to destruction, and taken, to "watch and be ready"?????
Huh????

Surely Jesus was confused if he said; "watch and be ready ", to, "watch me not take you but someone beside you"

A taxi is coming to get Mary.
Her mother tells her to watch and get ready.
Mary does nothing, because she transposed what was told her to her friend next door.
Mary's theory is that suzi next door has been wicked, so taxis only take wicked.

What a twisted messed up end to a bad doctrine!

Ahem...Mary missed the taxi cab arrival.
( she was hiding canned goods under her bed for some imagined hard times).

Way way off.
Too funny

More incoherent gibberish from you. That's all you have to offer. Not once have you ever made a coherent argument using scripture. No one takes you seriously.

 

[Marilyn C]

Do you mean Matt.24:14 pertains to the Millennial Kingdom?
It answers one part of the question the disciples asked about His Second Coming.
Romans 15:8 confirms Jesus came as a servant to the Jews as promised in order that the Gentiles would hear the truth as well. This was about His 1st coming and correlates to the beginnings of the spreading the gospel to the world. Matt. 24:14 brings us to the end of the spreading and the beginning of the Great Tribulation.

The only `good news` that Israel knew was that their Messiah would come and set up His rule through them. Jesus had not died, risen or ascended or been made Head of the Body by the Father. That revelation was not given till later to the Apostle Paul.

Our good news is more than what Israel knew.