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  1. Windmillcharge

    Windmillcharge Well-Known Member

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    As I said get your historical facts right and get your religous facts right.

    No historian accepts that wars were fought by so called christian nations to advance Christianity.
    equall to say that no true Christian fought in the wars is false, as is the claim that in the west Christian literature was confiscated.
    The only sect that suffered this was the JW's.

    Your thinking is confused.
    You say it was 'Christian nations going to war, then you doubt that Christian natiuon are Christian, then you blame the devil, all you've omitted is to add jewish conspiricies.
     
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    Nowhere in what I wrote did I say that any war was fought to advance Christianity. For one thing I don't believe Christendom to be Christianity. What I said was that the churches in Christendom were getting involved in the wars by encouraging their members to fight when those wars started. If those churches were truly Christian they would have encouraged their members to stay out of it. True Christians don't kill each other in the name of some political government or idea such as democracy, communism, dictatorships, they put God Kingdom first in their lives. True Christians are loyal to Gods Kingdom. Killing each other shows a lack of love for each other. No one will ever teach me that human beings shooting each other in the head and so forth is showing love to each other. True Christians obey the laws of political nations except when those political laws of the nations contradict the laws of God. The one supreme law of God for Christians to love one another is to be obeyed. If a Baptist were truly a Christian why would he take a weapon and kill another Baptist because a political nation that he lives in told him to. What I also said was that their was a war being fought by God and Satan. Satan and the demons use not only governments but also false religion and the commercial system to mislead the entire inhabited earth. (Rev. 12:9) Through false religion, Satan promotes lies about The True God Jehovah. In addition, the Devil seems determined to make as many people as possible forget God’s name. (Jer. 23:26, 27) As a result, sincere individuals who think that they are worshipping God are deceived into worshipping demons. (1 Cor. 10:20; 2 Cor. 11:13-15) Satan also promotes lies through the commercial system. For example, this system often teaches people that the best way to be happy is to pursue money and gather many possessions. (Prov. 18:11) Those who believe this lie spend their lives serving “Riches” rather than God. (Matt. 6:24) Eventually, their love of material things can choke any love they had for God.—Matt. 13:22; 1 John 2:15, 16.
     
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    Humans can see Angels, they just may not know that they are.
    The Poofters knew that they had to corrupt them men because they knew that they had not been corrupted. poofters know that off the bat.

    The poofters would of had a Soul once but that was corrupted and died, that's what happens to Satanist. like a drug addict they can only see one thing and everything outside of that does not mean a cracker.
     
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    Well, I disagree with your reasoning here. One reason is that I honestly don't think it's in agreement with the scriptures. To my knowledge, from what I have read and learned from the scriptures, humans, all humans don't have souls. The scriptures show that humans are Souls but they don't have a Soul. There is a difference in meaning when you say, " I have a Soul", and, " I am a Soul". That's why the scriptures say animals are Souls: all creatures living in the water, all creatures living on the land, all creatures that fly in the air, are all Souls. Mind you I said they are Souls, not that they have Souls. We humans are the same, we are Souls, we don't have souls. The meaning of the word Soul when I see how the word is used in scriptures is that the scriptures are talking about oxygen breathing creatures whether it be animals or humans. So while a person can lose ones life you don't have a Soul to lose cause as I said, you are a Soul. You don't have a Soul. I know many disagree but no one has shown me from the way the scriptures use the word Soul that I'm wrong in what I said.
     
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    Which part did not get answered?.....I will gladly accommodate you.

    Mary
     
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    I agree what you say with humans having as regards to, I am a Soul and one has a Soul, but some do not have Soul and the reason is because they are corrupted or possessed by Satan, so that the Soul can not function. I have seen this with people that I know, they are carnal and much just like a dog.

    Only a Human can have a Soul.

    Now no one can come to Jesus but because they have of the Soul.
    Cats dogs etc can not come to Jesus, because they do not possess a Soul.
     
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    Whether a Christian should fight to defend his country is up to each Christian. God has nowhere said this is wrong.
     
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    If I could find my post I'd copy it to you.
     
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    God has told Christian's to love one another. In fact the scriptures say at John 13:35 that those who are his true disciples would have love among themselves. How can a Baptist say he is a Christian if he kills another Baptist, is that showing love for each other, you're telling me that loving each other is the practice of killing each other. How can a Catholic kill another Catholic and that is having love for each other. If you love some man made government more than your spiritual brother or sister by killing your spiritual brother and sister in the name of that man made government how are you putting God kingdom first. As I said, true Christian's don't go and kill someone, especially their spiritual brother or sister in the name of some man made government such as democracy, communism, or dictatorships. They put God's kingdom first by practicing having love among themselves, not by killing each other. How can a person love God if they can't love their spiritual brother or sister.
     
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    You make enormous assumptions here.
    That every person one fights in the armed services is a Christian.
    That it is wrong to fight to oppose agression.
    That it is wrong to obey the government.
    What true Christian do or don't do.

    Think about what sort of world we would be living in if no one opposed the nazi's. Europe still ruled by them or by the communists. All european jews murdered. Christianity ruthlessly supprest. The killing of all who were mentally ill, didn't fit the arian mould etc

    Is that a good image?
     
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    After posting I realised something that you need to examine and think about from American history.
    The American civil war or the war between the states.
    Americans fought American in some lethal battles.
    You are aware arn't you that durring this conflict there were several times of revival among the soiders fighting on both sides. Christian confederates fought Christian unionists.
    From English or rather Scotish history a noted preacher used by God in revival fought and was wounded in WW1 look up Duncan Campbell and see how God used him in the Lewis revival.
     
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    I don't think any true christians fought in the Civil War or the two world wars.

    I am saddened that you dismiss the testimonies of Christians who have fought in many wars.
    To have such a limited view of who is a Christian restricts ones spiritual life.

    I would ask how you know that you are the arbitor of what makes a Christian and who, in your opinion, is a Christian.

    Do you pray for the perscuted church?
    For the Christians in the middle and far east, many of whom are catholic, or orthodox and suffer because they bear thje name Christian.
    Do you have the right to dismiss them because of what they are called?
    Does the parable of the good samaratan teach you nothing?
     
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    I'm saying that I don't believe any person who goes to any catholic church or to any of the many Protestant Churches Are true Christians. Do they say they are?, Yes. Does that mean they are true Christians?, No. Those people who believe the Catholic or Protestant way fight and kill each other. (people who believed the Catholic or Protestant way). I don't believe that to be showing love for your spiritual brother (fellow Catholic or Protestant). If two nation's in which the people in those two respective nations believe the same Catholic way or Protestant way and their two respective political nations tell their people they're going to war with each other, does that mean a Catholic supposed to kill another Catholic or a Protestant supposed to kill another Protestant because their two respective political nations they live in tell them too. Like I said although I don't believe those who believe the Catholic way or those who believe the many different Protestant beliefs to be true Christians, they say they are. But if they're true Christians should they kill each other cause their respective political nations tell them too? The scriptures tell us that the way you would know the true people of God is that they would have love among themselves. Is it showing love to your fellow Christians if you help kill them because the political nation you live in tells you to?
     
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    If you believe Jesus died for your sins and that he raised up 3 days later, you are a Christian. I don't care what your docternal(sp?) beliefs are. Too many people for us to agree, too much time lost, too much hidden by the 'powers' that be.
     
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    It is not as simple as you put it.
    Again I'll refer you to the example of Duncan Campbell who fought in WW1, was wounded in that war and was used by God in that war and afterwards in several revivals.
    It is not enough for you to say @real Christians don't fight in wars!'
    You need to examine the evidenmce that Christians have and do serve in the military.
     
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    THIS WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED.
     
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