Reason for The Crusades explained

[Matthias]

Ezekiel 13:
10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:

Jesus, the apostles, and the earliest followers of Jesus preached peace to a world that rejected peace. They weren’t seducing anyone. I’m a 1st century follower of Jesus living in the 21st century. I’m following the example of Jesus, the apostles, and the earliest followers of Jesus. I’m preaching the gospel of peace to a world that rejects peace. I’m not seducing anyone.

You’re in the same situation @Wrangler is in. I’m preaching peace to both of you, and both of you are rejecting it.

 

[NayborBear]

“… we consider it unfortunate that the crusaders never understood two basic truths: Christianity‘s highest satisfactions are not guaranteed by possession of special places, and the sword is never God’s way to extend Christ’s kingdom.”

I don't believe Wrangler, nor Armor of God, nor myself, has ever said "anything" concerning the "extending of Christ's Kingdom!"
Preserve? By Defending? Certainly! Extending? No! I don't think so!
Unh Unh! Uhhhh!.......Nope!
Why is it you are ALWAYS denying and rejecting that which He who "Sent Christ" with the good news from HIS applications of Justice ans Wrath to Not ONLY Christ's enemies? But also HIS enemies as well?
I'll tell ya why!
Because you CAN'T YET SEE "BEYOND" Christ UNTO His and ours' (Yes? He's YOUR Heavenly Father too!...Likes it r not?......Believes it, or not)
Father in Heaven!

 

[Matthias]

I don't believe Wrangler, nor Armor of God, nor myself, has ever said "anything" concerning the "extending of Christ's Kingdom!"
Preserve? By Defending? Certainly! Extending? No! I don't think so!
Unh Unh! Uhhhh!.......Nope!

You’re neither extending the Messiah’s kingdom nor defending it. You’re defending the medieval actions of the Roman Catholic church.

Why is it you are ALWAYS denying and rejecting that which He who "Sent Christ" with the good news from HIS applications of Justice ans Wrath to Not ONLY Christ's enemies? But also HIS enemies as well?
I'll tell ya why!
Because you CAN'T YET SEE "BEYOND" Christ UNTO His and ours' (Yes? He's YOUR Heavenly Father too!...Likes it r not?......Believes it, or not)
Father in Heaven!

You aren’t speaking for the Messiah, nor are you acting like the Messiah. You certainly aren’t following his teaching and the teaching of the apostles. You know, and have even publicly acknowledged, that they didn’t use the weapons of the world.

 

[NayborBear]

You’re in the same situation @Wrangler is in. I’m preaching peace to both of you, and both of you are rejecting it.

You're preaching "peace?"
We're Preaching "PRESERVE!"
But you're rejecting the Father's APPLICATION of "preservation", because sometimes? This "physical application" is not only WARRANTED and JUSTIFIED?
Sometimes?....It's DOWNRIGHT NECESSARY!

 

[Matthias]

You're preaching "peace?"

Yes.

We're Preaching "PRESERVE!"

No. You’re preaching destruction.

But you're rejecting the Father's APPLICATION of "preservation", because sometimes? This "physical application" is not only WARRANTED and JUSTIFIED?
Sometimes?....It's DOWNRIGHT NECESSARY!

Read Romans 13 again and remember when you do that the apostle who wrote it also wrote, “We [Christians] do not use the weapons of the world.”

I’m not rejecting the Father. I’m obeying him.

 

[Matthias]

@Wrangler you’ve joined with two others in accusing me of being a Muslim apologist / sympathizer. I’m your enemy.

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You’ve supported this. How badly do you want to kill me? What is keeping you from doing it?

@Armour of God @NayborBear

You know what @Wrangler thinks about those who don’t answer questions @NayborBear. You approved of his standard of measure. It will be measured to both of you, just as Jesus says that it will.

How badly do you want to kill your enemy? What is keeping you from doing it?

 

[NayborBear]

You’re neither extending the Messiah’s kingdom nor defending it. You’re defending the medieval actions of the Roman Catholic church.



You aren’t speaking for the Messiah, nor are you acting like the Messiah. You certainly aren’t following his teaching and the teaching of the apostles. You know, and have even publicly acknowledged, that they didn’t use the weapons of the world.

Well? Fact actually? I AM!
It's just an aspect OF the Messiah (and the Father) that you can't stomach!
Because "bleeding hearts" IMHO? Darst not go OUT! When there's the possibility that Mama may have one less plate setting at the table for dinner!
You'd rather walk around "pretending" that THIS side, or any OTHER side you canst "digest?"
SIMPLY DOESN'T EXIST!
Contrary to the fact that it DOES exist!
THINK: "RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!"
Not WARMONGERING!
Not HATE!
RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!
THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE!

 

[Matthias]

Well? Fact actually? I AM!

That’s not a fact. That’s an opinion.

It's just an aspect OF the Messiah (and the Father) that you can't stomach!
Because "bleeding hearts" IMHO? Darst not go OUT! When there's the possibility that Mama may have one less plate setting at the table for dinner!
You'd rather walk around "pretending" that THIS side, or any OTHER side you canst "digest?"
SIMPLY DOESN'T EXIST!
Contrary to the fact that it DOES exist!
THINK: "RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!"
Not WARMONGERING!
Not HATE!
RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!
THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE!

Neither the Father nor Jesus commanded Christians to kill their enemies.

@Wrangler wrote (in post #1631), “The Crusades were good and justified in their warmongering.”

 

[Anchorite]

Those who bang on their keyboards, expressing how the vile, diabolical Crusades were “good, noble, and justified” — how many bad guys have they eliminated?

How often do they go out pillaging, raping, and killing like their role model Crusaders?

Never. So are they cowards and hypocrites?

The only “righteous indignation” they express is on social media forums.

They are warriors in theory and pacifists in behavior.

 

[Matthias]

Spurgeon is one of my favorite Christian authors …

“May he come who will end all war, the Prince of Peace himself.” - C.H. Spurgeon

He isn’t coming to end something that is good. He’s coming to end something that is bad.

May he come soon and end what you are for.

@Armour of God @NayborBear

 

[Matthias]

Compare the message of the Church of the Brethren (an Anabaptist “Peace Church” - recall that the Caner brothers identified the Anabaptists as “the Free Church” in their book Christian Jihad) with the message of @Wrangler and his concealed identity church: “God commands Christians to kill their enemies.”

@Armour of God @NayborBear

If Jesus had meant “kill them” then the apostles and the disciples would have said so and would have done so.

 

[Matthias]

“The Crusades were a series of religious wars in the medieval period. They were primarily between Christians and Muslims. Both sides fought for control over sacred, religious, lands in the Middle East.

In 1095 the newly elected Pope Urban II called on his followers to liberate Jerusalem, the holy land, from Muslim non-believers.

While his call did not directly mention Jews, some Christians led their own crusades. Their aim was to destroy all enemies of Christianity, not just those in Jerusalem.

The effects were devastating for the Jews. Thousands were targeted by Crusaders in the Rhineland in Germany in 1096. The crusaders aimed to entirely eliminate the Jewish population, either by converting them to Christianity, or, if they refused, by killing them.

This brutal attack was just one example of the antisemitism which was widespread throughout the Crusades. …”

The Crusades – The Holocaust Explained: Designed for schools

www.theholocaustexplained.org

@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear

Supporting the crusaders involves supporting their antisemitism.

The apostles also wanted to convert unbelieving Jews. They didn’t force them to convert and didn’t kill them when they didn’t convert.

 

[Matthias]

It's just an aspect OF the Messiah (and the Father) that you can't stomach!

What you’re saying to me you’re saying to the apostles, to the Ante Nicene Church Fathers, to the Christians of the first three centuries of Christian history, and to millions of Christians down through the centuries who have likewise loved and obeyed the teaching of the Messiah.

“As it is written, ‘For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.’”

”We do not use the weapons of the world.”

We are like him. You aren’t like us.* We will be vindicated, just as he has been.

* Having slaughtered none, do you really believe you have the stomach to slaughter Islamic, Jewish, and Christian men, women, and children at the command of Caesar or call of the pope?

 

[Armour of God]

 

[Matthias]

1. College of the Holy Cross (Worcester, Massachusetts) - One of the most well-known; they decided to keep the Crusader mascot in 2018

”When the Holy Cross Board of Trustees ruled this month to keep the Crusader moniker, they aimed, in part, to move the word away from its dark and sordid history.

In a joint statement and video message, College President Philip Boroughs and Board chair John Mahoney said they see crusader, in the context of the college, as one for truth and justice.

’While we acknowledge that the Crusades were among the darkest periods in Church history, we choose to associate ourselves with the modern definition of the word crusader, one which is representative of our Catholic Jesuit identity and our mission and values as an institution and community, Boroughs and Mahoney said in a statement. ‘We are not simply crusaders, we are Holy Cross Crusaders.’ ….”

(Staff Writer, Worcester Magazine, “Holy Cross looks to move on from Crusader controversy”)

https://www.worcestermag.com/story/news/2018/02/08/holy-cross-looks-move-crusader-controversy/10925432007/

They recognized and acknowledged what you don’t and deny: the Crusades were among the darkest periods in Church history.

They redefined the meaning of the word; something which you falsely accuse others of doing.

@Armour of God @NayborBear

 

[Matthias]

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A symbol which represents the indiscriminate slaughter of Muslims, Jews and Christians in the Middle Ages. It doesn’t draw people to Messiah and his gospel; it repels them from him and hinders them from hearing his life saving words.

@Wrangler @NayborBear

 

[Matthias]

Those who bang on their keyboards, expressing how the vile, diabolical Crusades were “good, noble, and justified” — how many bad guys have they eliminated?

How often do they go out pillaging, raping, and killing like their role model Crusaders?

Never. So are they cowards and hypocrites?

The only “righteous indignation” they express is on social media forums.

They are warriors in theory and pacifists in behavior.

I thought about your words during the night and I’ve returned to them again this morning.

Whatever else they are or might be, they‘ve allowed the spirit of Islam to harden their hearts.

Setting aside for a moment that they haven’t actually killed even a single Muslim between them - even if they managed to kill every Muslim man, woman and child in the world, @Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear have been spiritually overcome and defeated by Islam.

And of course they aren’t the only ones who have been.

 

[amigo de christo]

Allow me yet another question that I'm full expecting one of your usual non answers to.
Would YOU pay money to send a group of missionary's to someplace like Iran, for instance, to Crusade FOR Christ. Knowing mere than likely they would be losing their heads over it, so you can keep yours?
Asking for a "Friend."

And the answer to YOUR question is , WHY yes i would support those missions WHO do preach JESUS .
What , do you think pauls life or other apostels lives were not in danger when THEY went out and preached the word .
Many of them were killed . THERE is no promise that we will NOT have persecutions and tribulations .
THERE IS ONLY THIS PROMISE . HE WHO BELIEVES IN JESUS SHALL BE SAVED .
GOD , GOD is in control and our weapons are not carnal at all . Your trust is far too much in man
and in these men of the world . TIME to put all hope and trust IN GOD , IN CHRIST .
IN this world YE SHALL have tribulation .
OUR peace cometh of CHRIST . That no matter what we face and endure
we will have the consolations of GOD to get us through whatever we suffer FOR his name sake .
EVEN if we are killed , WE WIN for JESUS has already won . HE who loses his life for my sake and the gospel shall save it .
Now enough with this talk about earthern kingdoms and wordly wisdom from you .
HOPE THOU IN GOD and stop worrying over all these things .

 

[amigo de christo]

I thought about your words during the night and I’ve returned to them again this morning.

Whatever else they are or might be, they‘ve allowed the spirit of Islam to harden their hearts.

Setting aside for a moment that they haven’t actually killed even a single Muslim between them - even if they managed to kill every Muslim man, woman and child in the world, @Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear have been spiritually overcome and defeated by Islam.

And of course they aren’t the only ones who have been.

Their fear of islam has led them into the lie of interfaith and its anti christ dilaogue
Fear , hopes in this world and in this life , ITS all a snare to the soul of man .
JESUS . HIS kingdom is not of this world . As you already well know this my friend .
They fear . Thus they will cling to any who can promise them a solution for their peace and safety .
AND THAT IS WHY they are led to the lie of intefaith of anti christ .
You just wait . MANY are already headed right into this snare of ecumeincalisms intefaith and its plan for how to attain peace .
AND YET within we can already see their solution is to MERGE the RELIGOINS
selling them the idea we all serve the same GOD . THE DIRE NEED TO REPENT and BELIEVE ON HE WHO SAVES
has BEEN DENIED and done so under the guise for peace . THUS t otal proof this peace plan
IS OF ANTI CHRIST .
ONLY an anti christ would deny the fact ONE MUST BELEIVE IN JESUS
and sell a lie that ALL RELIGOINS SERVE THE SAME GOD . That we just need to be as one for world peace .
THEY buy and are buying into the LIE . These leaders mislead all . both sides set a snare unto those who follow them .
And I do include TRUMP n VANCE in that camp . THEY are misleading us all and setting us up for a big FALL
for the lie of all lies and for the prince of darkness to come and guide them as one
TO what all will believe is a kingdom of GOD moment and a means for a utopian safe world .
ONLY ANTI CHRIST WOULD DO THIS . ITS all set up my friends . ALL OF IT is a snare .
WE must not fear man , or fear to suffer . WE must not pick up carnal weapons or support any who do so .
OUR mission IS JESUS , IS THE GOSPEL
and no matter the cost , TO HE ALONE LET US BE FAITHFUL .

 

[NayborBear]

I’m not rejecting the Father. I’m obeying him.

Fully?.......Or, obeying that which you "CHOOSE" to "hear or read?"

John 14:2

In my Father's house are MANY* mansions**: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

** this "word" Mansions is translated Meno which means ABIDANCE!
*this word Many indicates depths OF as well as Areas OF this Abidance! Heart, Soul, Mind, spirit, flesh.

Genesis 6:3

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Which brings to mind, that although you copy and paste that which "man" has recorded down through HIStory?
Is THIS as FAR as your investigatory processes go?
You have NO inclination whatsoever in seeking out that which are called "Mystery's" that the Apostle Paul so oft times refers to?