Reason for The Crusades explained

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I’ve literal,y answered this question dozens of times.
No, you haven't answered it once. You have not once addressed those verses; dismissing verses is not addressing them, especially based on your own made-up terms.

See the dichotomy between spiritual and soulful verses.
It's a false dichotomy of your own creation. Again, I have asked you to define what you mean by "spiritual verses" and "soulful verses" because I have no idea what you mean by those terms. Are you unable to even define terms you have made up?

Let’s only talk about verses that don’t mention rocks to support the conclusion that Scripture doesn’t talk about rocks. Genius!
This has nothing to do with anything. Please do some studying on critical thinking.

So much of what you post is exposition and commentary with no context outside your own opinions.
That is not necessarily the case. But, even where I may provide my own exposition and commentary, they're based on years of reading, studying, and debating; they're educated opinions. I'm not going around giving unsupported opinions based on my own made-up terms, such as "spiritual verses" and "soulful verses," so that I can dismiss any verses that don't fit my beliefs.

Why in your very humble opinion do you say spiritual being different from soulful is nonsense?
That isn't what's nonsense. What's nonsense are your undefined, made-up terms.

Because it stems from soulful needs that Jesus addresses, not denies.
No idea what this even means.
 
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So much of what you post is exposition and commentary with no context outside your own opinions. Why in your very humble opinion do you say spiritual being different from soulful is nonsense?
That isn't what's nonsense.
Not an answer to my question. Welcome to my ignore list.
 

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No, you actually haven't. The most you have done is make up your own false categories of "spiritual verses" and "soulful verses" which allow you to dismiss anything that doesn't fit with your beliefs, which is one reason why you are in error so often. Another reason is that you don't understand context.

To address the first error, this:

Luk 22:36 He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

Is no different than this (or any of the other verses I provided):

Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Both were commands given to Jesus's disciples.

To address the second error, you ignore the context of this:

Luk 22:36 He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

Which includes this:

Luk 22:49 And when those who were around him saw what would follow, they said, “Lord, shall we strike with the sword?”
Luk 22:50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear.
Luk 22:51 But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him.

And this:

Mat 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.


This is a gross misinterpretation of Scripture. As I have stated more than once, Jesus is the perfect, sinless, Just Judge. It is his prerogative, as Judge, as the Son of God, to judge all peoples at the end of time. At that time he will throw unbelievers into the lake of fire. In the meantime, he gave many commands that he expects his followers to obey. Using the Judgement as support for killing people now is a wicked and grievous error.

Please, in all seriousness, for your sake, go and learn how to properly exegete and interpret Scripture; there are a lot of good books out there on such topics as hermeneutics, and a lot of good commentaries.
Hebrews 5:11
Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
 
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Hebrews 5:11
Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

Will you hear this?

“To summarize briefly, the crusades were attempts in the 11th through 13th centuries A.D. to reclaim land in the Middle East that had been conquered by Muslims. The crusades were brutal and evil. Many people were forced to ‘convert’ to Christianity. If they refused, they were pit to death. The idea of conquering a land through war and violence in the name of Christ is completely unbiblical. Many of the actions that took place in the crusades were completely antithetical to everything the Christian faith stands for.”


@Wrangler @Armour of God

Like Islam, you’re fighting against “everything the Christian faith stands for.”
 
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Not an answer to my question.
I clearly did answer your question.

Welcome to my ignore list.
That’s fine with me. You have continually dodged and avoided answering questions and responding to Scripture, and have told falsehoods. You have repeatedly ignored requests to provide definitions of your own personal terms—“spiritual verses” and “soulful verses”—and somehow expect others to know what they mean. That all shows that you have no integrity and no interest in truth. And you did all that while taking God’s name in vain and undermining the work and person of Christ. What you have posted in this thread—verses that supposedly show that Christians can kill their enemies—is anti-Christ and anti-gospel.

Tit 3:10 As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him,
Tit 3:11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
 
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Scuttled.

“War is never holy; only peace is holy, because it is willed by God.”

(Pope Leo XIV)


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“We do not use the weapons of the world.” - Paul

Long live the Christianity which stands on the teaching and example of the Messiah and the apostles.
 

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Then Jesus shouted at him, “Put that switchblade back in your pocket! People who use violence are destroyed by it.” - Matthew 26:52, Cotton Patch Gospel version

A couple things I like about this translation (other than the absurdity of taking on the temple guard with 4" switchblade): Jordan has captured a different shade of meaning of the word apollumi in the original Greek. And in doing so, he has captured the effect that violence has on those who perpetrate it, which I have observed and testified to on this board.
 
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Discernment and being able to detect patterns is a sign of intelligence that not all people possess. For instance, not all verses in Scripture are relevant to a particular moral point. I attempted to use verses with rocks compared to verses that don't mention rocks to establish a foundation upon which some basis to proceed with @Justified could begin. Alas, it was too much for him to discern.

So, at the highest level of discernment, is the recognition of what is (or is not) relevant. The next level is to categorize how they are not relevant. Here is where I invoked the terms spiritual and soulful verses. Because the overly spiritualized lack understanding, they dismiss this as nonsense. However, it is easy to show there are spiritual verses, soulful verses and verses that contain both. One example of the latter is Christ talking about what our priorities should be @ Matthew 6:31-33
31 “So don’t worry about these things, saying, ‘What will we eat? What will we drink? What will we wear?’ 32 These things dominate the thoughts of unbelievers, but your heavenly Father already knows all your needs. 33 Seek the Kingdom of God[a] above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.

Notice that Jesus does not tell us to have nothing to do with carnal, fleshly, worldly concerns? "These things" are soulful things our God will give us as well. Yet, the overly spiritualized somehow got the idea that there is nothing we have to do on our part to get these soulful things. Proverbs 19:24
Lazy people take food in their hand but don’t even lift it to their mouth.
We have soulful work to do! Yes, put your hand into the spiritual food but also lift worldly, fleshy, carnal, literal food to your mouth to give the body what it needs!

And one thing we need is security; the security that the Crusades secured.

The first hint we get at soulful-spiritual division is Genesis 1, where God does soulful work for 6 days, literally creating worldly, carnal, fleshy things! Soulful things, not Spiritual things, is literally the top priority of the almighty - and it should be our top priority also! Only then did he embrace the Spiritual rest. 6 days for soulful considerations; 1 day for spiritual focus. In that order!

The first of the 10 Commandments given to us at Genesis 16:23 suggests we were taking soulful concerns too far. Creation indicates a divine balance of what is good between soulful and spiritual, mundane and holy.

He keeps bringing up the “buy a sword” statement, when it has been repeatedly explained that two swords were inadequate for armed defense, and that the meager two swords were just so Jesus would be reckoned with the transgressors.

You dishonor Christ's words. He commanded 1 sword but they already had twice as much as what was needed. For some reason, you call what Jesus says is adequate to be inadequate.

You have also brought up many times something that has been repeatedly explained to you. "Live by the sword. Die by the sword" is not a prohibition against using force of arms - as Christ's command to buy a sword proves. There is no discernment in what you write, no sense of balance, reconciling verses. We should not live to fight but live for God. He is our priority. That is the context in which our Lord told his followers to buy a sword. Live is a soulful concern. See Matthew 6:31-33.
 
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Then Jesus shouted at him, “Put that switchblade back in your pocket! People who use violence are destroyed by it.” - Matthew 26:52, Cotton Patch Gospel version

A couple things I like about this translation: Jordan has captured a different shade of meaning of the word apollumi in the original Greek. And in doing so, he has captured the effect that violence has on those who perpetrate it, which I have observed and testified to on this board.
I have been a fan of the Cotton Patch version for decades.
 
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You dishonor Christ's words. He commanded 1 sword but they already had twice as much as what was needed. For some reason, you call what Jesus says is adequate to be inadequate.

You have also brought up many times something that has been repeatedly explained to you. "Live by the sword. Die by the sword" is not a prohibition against using force of arms - as Christ's command to buy a sword proves. There is no discernment in what you write, no sense of balance, reconciling verses. We should not live to fight but live for God. He is our priority. That is the context in which our Lord told his followers to buy a sword.
You persist in dishonoring the words of Christ, who you also call a liar.

Were swords ever used for self defense by the disciples? No.

Jesus prohibited the use of weapons for armed combat. “Live by the sword, die by the sword”. Resist not evil. Blessed be the peacemakers. Turn the other cheek.

When Peter drew his sword and cut off a guy’s ear, Jesus scolded Peter, saying “Peter, put away thy sword!” and Jesus healed the ear.

Perhaps you have played too many violent video games or watched too many horror movies, which makes you adore violence and vile Crusaders slaughter so much.

Stop calling Jesus a liar and stop worshiping weapons.
 
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You persist in dishonoring the words of Christ, who you also call a liar. …

Stop calling Jesus a liar …

“… and all liars - their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

(Revelation 21:8, NLT)

The false teaching of @Wrangler and his concealed identity church is placing Jesus in the place where Jesus will one day place him and his church if he and his church don’t repent.

@Armour of God @NayborBear
 

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Luke 9:50
And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

@Wrangler has said - and has confirmed that he has said - Jesus is a liar. You’re going along with a man and a concealed identity church - a death cult - that is leading people to destruction in the lake of fire.

No one who teaches others that Jesus is a liar is for Jesus and the apostles. Such a person is against Jesus and the apostles.

My unsolicited advice: get far away from any person or organization which calls Jesus a liar.
 
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