How Is Man Redeemed?
Do we look to the Cross or do we look to Hell?
Calvary is the place to look to. Redemption of man came through a body and is received while in the body.
Heb_10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb_10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Sacrifice for sin has always come through a living being. (i.e. Lamb, Bulls, Goats / Lamb of God)
The blood of the body is the element of atonement.
Rom_5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Eph_1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Col_1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Sin must be dealt with in the body. Being joined with Him in His death and Resurrection.
Rom_6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom_8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The work of redemption was finished on the cross! Jesus did not need to suffer in hell. No mention of that anywhere.
Col_1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Jesus did not have to experience all spiritual sufferings. Redemption does not come through suffering. Redemption came through the death of Jesus Christ. God only required a physical sacrifice. Jesus did not become a sinner in order to bare our sins. He bore our sins, He wasn't a sinner. He has always been righteous.
2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
This is substitionary in nature.
"made" ποιέω poieō - "to do" idea of doing, not idea of "being". Our iniquities were LAID ON HIM.
Jesus never disobeyed God's will. He was obedient to every point, obedient unto death.
Php_2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Heb_4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
The Old Testament sin offering was a type of sinless sacrifice as it was most holy.
Exo_12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Lev_22:20 But whatsoever hath a blemish, that shall ye not offer: for it shall not be acceptable for you.
Jesus did not die spiritually because He offered eternal life to the thief and eternal life is in Jesus Christ. Jesus bore our sins in His body not His spirit.
1Pe_2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1Pe_3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Jesus never suffered in hell. Jesus commended or released His spirit into His Father's hands.
Luk_23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Jesus was put to death in the flesh not the spirit and the Spirit of God quickened His body out of the grave. Jesus was the first begotten of the dead. His body was raised or quickened by the Spirit. There was absolutely no suffering for Jesus in Hell. Jesus Christ did not need to be justified as a sinner or born-again.
Rev_1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Jesus was justified (vindicated by) in the Spirit. He did not suffer in the spirit and His spirit which is the Spirit of God, did not and could not die.
Man is not to look for salvation (redemption) in the spiritual sufferings. Redemption comes through the blood. (scriptures already given).
Numerous passages in God’s Word attest that our sins have been dealt with ‘through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all’ (Heb_10:10; cf. Rom_7:4; Col_1:22; 1 Peter_2:24; 3:18; 4:1).
This poses three difficult questions for the Faith teachers’ view of the atonement. First, why is there no explicit mention of Christ’s alleged “spiritual” death, while the Bible is replete with details on the fact and significance of His physical death-especially if it was His spiritual death that did away with the curse? Second, why does the Bible place so much emphasis on Christ’s physical death-to the exclusion of His alleged spiritual death-if His physical death was not the factor that eradicated sin? Third, why is it that Christ Himself told us to remember the sacrifice He made with His body and blood (both of which are essentially physical), while saying nothing about any spiritual sacrifice (cf. Luke_22:19,20; 1 Cor_11:24-26)?
All the biblical evidence indicates that Jesus never died spiritually and that His physical death paid the price for humanity’s sin.
We are dead in trespasses and sins but Jesus was not. We needed to be born-again but Jesus did not die spiritually and therefore did not need to be born-again from a personal state of sinfulness. He did not need spiritual regeneration to be transformed from a sinner to the Son of God, HE WAS the SON OF GOD. Jesus Christ the same, yesterday, today and forever. (Heb_13:8)
Act_2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
It was not possible for death to hold Him because He has life within Himself being the Son of God. He laid His life down willingly with the promise to resume it once He physically died.
Joh_2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
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Your problem is, You don't know the whole Bible, You just pick the verses that fit your false beliefs.
For the Biblical truth, Read this.
In Matt 27: 46, Jesus said, “My God, why has thou forsaken me”.
The Greek meaning for, “Forsaken”, Is, [To leave, To abandon, Forsaken].
And the penalty for spiritual death is hell.
Because He took our sins 2 Cor 5: 21, And went to hell in our place
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PLEASE NOTE
Jesus told the thief he would be with Him in paradise, [Paradeisos] Lk 24: 43
But Jesus didn’t go straight there, He went to Hell [Hades]
Acts 2: 27, & v31.
Acts 2: 24 says God loosed Jesus from the pains of death. It wasn’t from the pains of physical death, Because Jesus died, and wasn’t loosed from physical death So God loosed Jesus from pains of spiritual death, and the torment that that went with it in hell.
The meaning for, “Pains” in Acts 2: 24, Is,
“ Pain, Distress, Like a woman in childbirth”, Isaiah 52: 11, Says , The travail of Jesus soul
In Ps 22: 1, Jesus says, “why have you forsaken Me”,
Spirit, v1.
Body, v14--17.
Soul, v20-.
The Hebrew word is, “Azab” Again the meaning is, ”To Leave, Abandoned”
Ps 22 : 20--21.
V20, The meaning for, “Sword” is, “Violent pain”. The power of the dogs,V20 And the lions mouth, Have the similar meaning.
The “Soul”, V20, Is the inner part of Jesus.
The meaning of, “Save me from the lions mouth”, Is
“Save [To deliver] from a trapped place, From distress”.
Does that sound like Jesus was in paradise?? Or in Hell.
Isaiah 53: 9,Says,
“Jesus made His grave with the wicked and the rich in His death”.
The Hebrew is, “Deaths” Plural, His Spiritual and physical deaths.
V9 backs this up. “With the wicked, [The sinners In hell] His Spiritual death. And the rich, [Joseph’s tomb] Matt 27: 57--60, His physical death.
Isaiah 53: 10. Jesus made His Soul an offering for sin, Not just His body.
V 11, The travail of His soul.
V12, He poured out His soul.
Isaiah 53, Talks about Jesus Spiritual and Physical deaths.
Jesus was born again in hell
Acts 13: 33, This “Begotten” wasn’t Jesus birth in the manger, Because it was when He was raised up. His Spiritual rebirth, As 1 Pet 3: 18 proves.
The meaning of “Quickened by His Spirit”, Is, Made alive in His Spirit.
How could Jesus be made alive, [Born again] in His Spirit, If He didn’t Spiritually die first??.
Col 1: 18, Says, Jesus was the “Firstborn from the dead”,
He wasn’t the first to be physically raised from the dead, AS people in the OT were raised from physical death, And Jesus Himself raised three people from physical death, So Col 1: 18, Must be talking about Jesus being the first to be born again.
