Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

[CoreIssue]

Direct scripture quotes only. Pssst, it's not in the bible.

You wanted verses, the links contain verses.

You don't care about truth, only your claims.

 

[Dave L]

You wanted verses, the links contain verses.

You don't care about truth, only your claims.

Verses? Put up one verse that directly says there will be a 7 year tribulation. Or a pre-trib rapture.

 

[CoreIssue]

Verses are in the links.

Time Times, and half a time, 1,260 days and 42 months equal 3.5 years. Two sets stated in revelations, 7 total years.

Others have posted from Matthew, Daniel, etc.

You are dodging

 

[CoreIssue]

Revelations 3:
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from(tereo ek = protect by removing) the hour of trial(tribulation period) that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

 

[Phoneman777]

Catholicism believes it is in Israel. Replacement theology.

You mean covenant theology, not reformers.

Covenant theology is loaded with errors.

What's covenant theology?

 

[Phoneman777]

Verses are in the links.

Time Times, and half a time, 1,260 days and 42 months equal 3.5 years. Two sets stated in revelations, 7 total years.

Others have posted from Matthew, Daniel, etc.

You are dodging

What two set of 3 1/2 years are in Revelation? The 3 1/2 years is always referring the same historic period - 538 to 1798 - the period when the papal Antichrist reigned supreme while the church was persecuted and forced into hiding in the rocks, caves, dens, and mountains, only to emerge right on time with the end time message of Revelation 14:6-12 - the announcement of the pre-Advent Judgment and to turn our attention back to the worship of the Creator and acknowledge His sign between He and His people, the call to come out of Babylon, and the warning of the Mark of the Beast.

 

[Enoch111]

he 3 1/2 years is always referring the same historic period - 538 to 1798 - the period when the papal Antichrist reigned supreme while the church was persecuted and forced into hiding in the rocks, caves, dens, and mountains...

This is pretty delusional. One cannot make the 3 1/2 years a period in the past without turning Bible truth on its head -- especially when 3 1/2 years becomes 3 1/2 CENTURIES!

This makes it open season on the Bible. Now anyone can take any verse and make it mean absolutely anything. Even Nostradamus would be chilled by this.

 

[n2thelight]

Play all the word games you want, it is still replacement theology and a lie.

What's replaced?

 

[n2thelight]

If the Church is not Israel,who the heck is Israel?
What's the difference between the two?

Who do the prophets of the Old Testament belong to?Do they not belong to Christ whom the volume of the Book was written?

Hebrews 10:7 "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of Me) to do Thy will, O God."

Everything that Jesus did and said while on earth, was written in the Old Testament, and that why He said over and over, "Haven't you read...", "It is written...", and so on. Every detail was written about Jesus' coming, how His birth would be and where. All parts of His life, and even to the words that the High Priest that caused His death at the time of the crucifixion.

Psalms 40:7 "Then said I, "Lo, I come: In the volume of the book it is written of me,"

 

[CoreIssue]

What's covenant theology?

Covenant theology - Wikipedia

 

[Enoch111]

If the Church is not Israel,who the heck is Israel?

And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father. (Gen 49:1,2)

Abraham had a son Isaac, who had two sons Esau and Jacob. Jacob (the Supplanter) deceived his father into receiving the blessings and the birthright of Esau (the elder son). However, Jacob became a man of faith and God renamed him "Israel" (prince with God and men).

Jacob had twelve sons, who became the ancestors of the twelve tribes of Israel. And Israel was given the Promised Land of Canaan by God (through the Abrahamic Covenant) to become an everlasting possession, stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates.

Even though the Jews were generally disobedient and rebellious (and were punished and eventually dispersed from Israel), God never changed His promises to Abraham, so ultimately there would be a redeemed and righteous remnant of Israel on earth -- purely by God's grace. And Christ would be their eternal King, while David's throne would be restored, and David would be prince over Israel.

Jesus of Nazareth, the King-Messiah of Israel, came from the tribe of Judah, and descended from the line of David. And even though He came initially to the lost sheep of Israel, He was to become a Light unto the Gentiles, and the Savior of the world. His first coming was in humility and humiliation, but His second coming will be with power and great glory. He will restore the kingdom of Israel, but He will also establish the Kingdom of God on earth. Eventually He will hand over everything to God the Father, so that God will be all and in all.

1 CORINTHIANS 15
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[Phoneman777]

This is pretty delusional. One cannot make the 3 1/2 years a period in the past without turning Bible truth on its head -- especially when 3 1/2 years becomes 3 1/2 CENTURIES!

This makes it open season on the Bible. Now anyone can take any verse and make it mean absolutely anything. Even Nostradamus would be chilled by this.

Nothing delusional at all when you consider the well established "day for a year" principle - where in prophecy, a symbolic day = a literal year. Especially when there are several examples of GOD using this principle.

Do you agree that the 70 Weeks are not a literal 490 day period, but a 490 YEAR period?

 

[CoreIssue]

The old testament calls it a week of years, not simply a week.

 

[Enoch111]

The old testament calls it a week of years, not simply a week.

Technically and literally it is "a seven" or a heptad.
שָׁבֻעִ֨ים (shavuim) = a period of seven, a week, a heptad

And the context makes it clear that these are weeks of years, or 70 "sevens" (70 x 7 = 490), because the period is being measured by specific historical events. Out of this period 483 years have already been accounted for. Seven years remains, and half of that seven (3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1260 days = time,times, and half a time) is assigned to the Antichrist in the future (Rev 13:4,5)

And they worshipped the dragon [SATAN] which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, [THE ANTICHRIST] saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[n2thelight]

Yes it does. Is referring to the Jews still live at the second coming. 2/3 died during the AC persecutions of the Trib.

When they see him they finally accept him as messiah.

Only Judah make up Jew's

 

[n2thelight]

Do most even know who Israel is?
If you think the Church has not always been Israel can you please answer this question from the below scripture

Genesis 35:11 "And God said unto him, "I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;"

Where are theses nations?

When we study Genesis 48 we will see that each of his sons will become Patriarchs of their own tribes, which develop into nations and groupings of nations. This promise reaches far beyond what the church world today would have us believe; that the offspring of Jacob today is comprised in the tiny nation of Israel, with brother Judah, mixed with the Kenite population towering over them. Those who call themselves Jews, but are not, see Revelation 2:9, and 3:9, for the warning that Jesus told John to write to our end time generation.

The kings of England today are even crowned and anointed over the same pillar that Jacob anointed to God, to call an eternal remembrance to all those who sit on that throne, and the subjects that they rule over. [The people of republics are citizens, while people under a king or queen are subjects.] All royal thrones of the Christian nations are tied directly by blood to the throne of England, which is the direct linage to King David, Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham. It is no accident that the Queen of England is Elizabeth II, for her lineage dictates it.

God's word, and his house still exist today, and the mere fact that a King or Queen sits on the throne is the reminder to all His children that He does keep his word, even though we allow ourselves to get lazy in his word, and run to Kenites for its interpretation, His word is truth, honest and fixed. When it seems that God's word is wrong, it is the person questioning the word that is in error. That is why we must use the right tools in getting the correct meaning for that Word.

The first duty of any King or Queen is to be the protector of the Faith, and that faith is God's Word. That is why we have the King James Bible today. He made the order for this translation, whereby each subject to his throne could have their own copy within their homes, that their lives could be guided by its words. From the year 1611 A.D. it has continued to be the guidepost in most Christian homes, and governments.

 

[Enoch111]

Do most even know who Israel is? If you think the Church has not always been Israel can you please answer this question from the below scripture
Genesis 35:11 "And God said unto him, "I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;"
Where are theses nations?

Those nations do not exist today. And the Church has never been Israel.

 

[n2thelight]

Those nations do not exist today. And the Church has never been Israel.

When did they exist? When will they exist?

 

[Enoch111]

When did they exist? When will they exist?

Abraham had three wives/concubines: Sarah, Hagar, and Keturah.

1. SARAH---->ISAAC ----> ESAU (13 NATIONS) + JACOB (TWELVE TRIBES)

2. HAGAR---->ISHMAEL ----> TWELVE NATIONS

3. KETURAH--->SIX NATIONS

Only the tribes of Israel will exist in the future on the land of Israel.

 

[bbyrd009]

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