Resurrection on earth

[ElieG12]

What hope did Jehovah offer his servants before Christ?

Let's see what Daniel's hope was when he was very old:

"But as for you, go on to the end. You will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days" (Dan. 12:13).

 

[ElieG12]

Martha knew about the resurrection on earth that was promised to Daniel, because when Jesus was talking to her after the death of Lazarus, her brother, she told him the following:

John 11:24 (...) "I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day".

Notice that in the words of Martha and those of the angel to Daniel there is a common factor: the time in which that resurrection would take place. The angel tells Daniel that it would happen "at the end of the days", and Martha had learned that it would be "on the last day".

Martha believed in the same terrestrial resurrection which had been promised to Daniel.

 

[Bob Estey]

What hope did Jehovah offer his servants before Christ?

Let's see what Daniel's hope was when he was very old:

"But as for you, go on to the end. You will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days" (Dan. 12:13).

I think the same hope existed before Christ as it did after. But it all depended on Christ coming to earth when he did.

 

[ElieG12]

Regarding Jehovah's loyal servants who preceded the Christians, the inspired letter to the Hebrews, written about 61 AD, says:

Heb. 11:13 In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises; but they saw them from a distance and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land. 14 For those who speak in such a way make it evident that they are earnestly seeking a place of their own. 15 And yet, if they had kept remembering the place from which they had departed, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they are reaching out for a better place, that is, one belonging to heaven. Therefore, God is not ashamed of them, to be called on as their God, for he has prepared a city for them
(...) 39 And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise.

If in the first century those God's loyal worshipers (like Abel, Enoch, Noah, the patriarchs, Moses, the judges of Israel, Samuel, the prophets like Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc, the just kings like David, Josiah, etc, etc , etc.) had not received the fulfillment of the promises

... when and where will they receive it?

 

[Robert Gwin]

What hope did Jehovah offer his servants before Christ?

Let's see what Daniel's hope was when he was very old:

"But as for you, go on to the end. You will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days" (Dan. 12:13).

Great point maam. God's gift to man has always been life eternal. Heaven only opened as a necessity, and only those chosen to go will go. God created the earth for physical creatures.

 

[ElieG12]

Regarding Jehovah's loyal servants who preceded the Christians, the inspired letter to the Hebrews, written about 61 AD, says:

Heb. 11:13 In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises; but they saw them from a distance and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land. 14 For those who speak in such a way make it evident that they are earnestly seeking a place of their own. 15 And yet, if they had kept remembering the place from which they had departed, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they are reaching out for a better place, that is, one belonging to heaven. Therefore, God is not ashamed of them, to be called on as their God, for he has prepared a city for them
(...) 39 And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise.

If in the first century those God's loyal worshipers (like Abel, Enoch, Noah, the patriarchs, Moses, the judges of Israel, Samuel, the prophets like Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc, the just kings like David, Josiah, etc, etc , etc.) had not received the fulfillment of the promises

... when and where will they receive it?

In other side: Have you ever thought about where the unjust will be resurrected?

Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

 

[ElieG12]

The Bible does not say that the way Jehovah's loyal servants before Christ (post #4) will be resurrected is different from the way the unrighteous (post #6) will be resurrected. In both cases, the Scripture says that they will "come out of their graves," (John 5:28,29) indicating that both groups will be resurrected on earth during the Millennium.

Given that the kings were already resurrected in heaven at that time and this other kind of resurrection is on earth, it is considered that this resurrection on earth will be the "second resurrection" or as Rev. 20:5a calls them "the rest of the dead", which includes righteous from ancient times and others from modern times, and "those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead" (Luke 20:35) even if they were not loyal servants of God or followers of Christ.

All resurrected people on earth will join the survivors of the great tribulation that are still on earth at the time of their resurrection. They all will be the new humanity and will be subjected to a test during and at the end of the millenium (Rev. 20:7-10).

 

[ElieG12]

The great crowd that survives the great tribulation and the resurrected ones (righteous and unrighteous) and the future of our planet are very well connected.

Have you been told by any of your pastors or have you read from theologians of your choice that the planet will ever be completely destroyed? Have you looked deeply into that matter with the Scriptures in hand and someone helping you to look there for any relevant information about that matter?

Based on what you have been taught, ask yourself if according to the Scriptures the planet will be "destroyed" before or after the resurrection of the just and the unjust. Can you prove with the Bible that this will happen that way?

 

[bbyrd009]

Martha believed in the same terrestrial resurrection which had been promised to Daniel.

well, or you have misconstrued the meaning of that phrase, which does have other interpretations

 

[bbyrd009]

I think the same hope existed before Christ as it did after. But it all depended on Christ coming to earth when he did.

ah, which Christ again? Jesus?

 

[bbyrd009]

... when and where will they receive it?

id say, but you are a JW, i take it?
ergo you would not be able to hear it right now i guess, sorry
or what i mean is, you prolly wouldn’t like it much

 

[Bob Estey]

ah, which Christ again? Jesus?

Jesus is the only Christ I am aware of.

 

[ElieG12]

id say, but you are a JW, i take it?
ergo you would not be able to hear it right now i guess, sorry

And, who you said you are?

 

[ScottA]

What hope did Jehovah offer his servants before Christ?

Let's see what Daniel's hope was when he was very old:

"But as for you, go on to the end. You will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days" (Dan. 12:13).

Martha knew about the resurrection on earth that was promised to Daniel, because when Jesus was talking to her after the death of Lazarus, her brother, she told him the following:

John 11:24 (...) "I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day".

Notice that in the words of Martha and those of the angel to Daniel there is a common factor: the time in which that resurrection would take place. The angel tells Daniel that it would happen "at the end of the days", and Martha had learned that it would be "on the last day".

Martha believed in the same terrestrial resurrection which had been promised to Daniel.

The days that were referred to were after the pattern of the seven days of creation, in which the last day was the 7th, the day of God's rest.

The question--your question offered rather as a statement in the thread title, then becomes: When does the day of God's rest begin?

But your title also states what you apparently believe to be true, as "on earth." Which is the truth...but perhaps not as you meant it. How did you mean it would be "on earth?"


PS, I see you have written more. I will keep reading, perhaps you have answered my question already.

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus is the only Christ I am aware of.

well, believe it or not He usurped the term, used by pharaohs and Caesars etc since forever.
im guessing to make a point

 

[bbyrd009]

And, who you said you are?

sorry, im not able to make this make sense in context; one too many "yous" or something.
if you would rephrase, ty

 

[ScottA]

Regarding Jehovah's loyal servants who preceded the Christians, the inspired letter to the Hebrews, written about 61 AD, says:

Heb. 11:13 In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises; but they saw them from a distance and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land. 14 For those who speak in such a way make it evident that they are earnestly seeking a place of their own. 15 And yet, if they had kept remembering the place from which they had departed, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they are reaching out for a better place, that is, one belonging to heaven. Therefore, God is not ashamed of them, to be called on as their God, for he has prepared a city for them
(...) 39 And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise.

If in the first century those God's loyal worshipers (like Abel, Enoch, Noah, the patriarchs, Moses, the judges of Israel, Samuel, the prophets like Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc, the just kings like David, Josiah, etc, etc , etc.) had not received the fulfillment of the promises

... when and where will they receive it?

They received it with Christ on the cross, as "the dead in Christ" of whom Christ was "the Last."

It is for this reason that Paul clarified that "we by no means precede those who are asleep." Fulfilling Jesus's statement, saying, "But many who are first will be last, and the last first” as that generation was on the cusp of the coming of salvation.

 

[Bob Estey]

well, believe it or not He usurped the term, used by pharaohs and Caesars etc since forever.
im guessing to make a point

I don't remember Jesus calling himself "Christ."

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't remember Jesus calling himself "Christ."

ha good point lol

 

[Enoch111]

What hope did Jehovah offer his servants before Christ?

Why "Jehovah" and why not "Yahweh Elohim"? Obviously we have another JW in our midst, sowing spiritual confusion.

BTW "Resurrection on earth" is meaningless. The resurrection of the saints is followed by all them being taken up to Heaven, just like when the two prophets during the reign of the Antichrist are resurrected and taken up to Heaven.

And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. (Rev 11:11,12)

Following the Resurrection/Rapture all the saints will be taken up to Heaven. "Come up hither" is exactly where God wants them.