rethinking the prophets...

[Timtofly]

I get it--you were offended by the peripheral element including my Postrib belief. But this really wasn't central to the point. Being misled by apparent Christian expectations was! This had nothing to do with Christians being corrupt or deceptive but rather about Christians being wrong in the way we view our expectations from God. And yes, this can mislead others. It does not speak primarily of "corruption."

Not offended at all.

Christian expectations about a government? Many governments today kill their Christian population.

God cannot use corrupt Christianity, sorry, some expect that to happen.

Brother, I have no idea where you're coming from in saying this? Nothing about the last 4 years has brought anyone peace! Perhaps you're talking about Trump's modest use of military strength and a solid use of negotiating prowess overseas? But within the US there has been no peace at all, after 2 years of investigation into a false "Russian Hoax," an impeachment of a President, and riots in the streets!

Peace does not count for the most part, but peace in the time of a Republican presidency is rare.

That is extremely judgmental of you! How on earth do you know Christians weren't sincerely praying for this? I would venture to say they were praying for this, just as I know my own church was and my own family was!

I don't know because all I heard was complaining and "give us our lives back."

What "moral giants" are you talking about? There are always a few Christian leaders who compromise or who fall into sin. But I wouldn't suggest that support for Trump means that the Christians who supported them were "in sin" just because he lost the election!

The moral majority is not a majority nor moral these days.

I'm sorry--perhaps you are above the fray and emotionally immune to such "worldly" things? In reality, I respect more those who are honest about their feelings. I think you're right to some degree. But your judgmentalism is telling. Who said Christians have not been sincerely praying for healing in our land? What makes you think that just our praying for this is not just more of what I'm talking about, that this prayer does not necessarily result in the healing of our land? I'm discovering that all the prayer in the world, no matter how noble, will effect that change if God sees in the hearts of people in our land and recognizes they don't choose to repent. I don't know what numbers will move God to heal our land, but I should think that if Achan can cause all Israel to fall, then a strong minority group of hostiles in the US can bring the entire nation down?

God has not declared a physical war with physical bounty. You may be correct, that any disobedience is still disobedience. I do not see too many people stealing any spiritual bounty.

I did not know preaching repentance, and turning from wickedness would be considered that judgmental. It is the obedient thing to do. God gave the promise. Surprisingly He did not say if 1% of my people obeyed me. He said if my people (plural).... I would heal their (plural) land.

My comments were not designed to perpetuate the Postrib/Pretrib debate. They were just how I, as an individual, look at the situation.

I was just pointing out that God is preparing the sheep. No big deal. I know this is it. To get people exited about the soon return of Jesus Christ is a hard task. People tend to think I am crazy and judgmental, instead of overjoyed at the fact. It is not like the church is physically taking on Satan right now, but it sure seems that way. People are so wrapped up in the physical aspect of life, I just assumed the spiritual is the least of folks worries these days.

It should be the other way around, is my point.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Not offended at all.

Christian expectations about a government? Many governments today kill their Christian population.

God cannot use corrupt Christianity, sorry, some expect that to happen.

Well, I agree to some extent. On the other hand, He does use *imperfect Christian government,* and even pagan government at times. Paul said that God establishes government to punish corruption.

There are different kinds of corruption. We are all sinners, Christian and otherwise. But there is a corruption that is devilish, and is something God has cursed. When He's done using it, it will be destroyed.

Peace does not count for the most part, but peace in the time of a Republican presidency is rare.
I don't know because all I heard was complaining and "give us our lives back."
The moral majority is not a majority nor moral these days.
God has not declared a physical war with physical bounty. You may be correct, that any disobedience is still disobedience. I do not see too many people stealing any spiritual bounty.
I did not know preaching repentance, and turning from wickedness would be considered that judgmental. It is the obedient thing to do. God gave the promise. Surprisingly He did not say if 1% of my people obeyed me. He said if my people (plural).... I would heal their (plural) land.

I agree--Christians in *large numbers* need to lead the country into repentance. Even the non-Christian world knows what evil is! Even many of those rotting in jails for committing atrocious crimes know that they've done wrong.

I was just pointing out that God is preparing the sheep. No big deal. I know this is it. To get people exited about the soon return of Jesus Christ is a hard task. People tend to think I am crazy and judgmental, instead of overjoyed at the fact. It is not like the church is physically taking on Satan right now, but it sure seems that way. People are so wrapped up in the physical aspect of life, I just assumed the spiritual is the least of folks worries these days.

It should be the other way around, is my point.

Maybe you're a little too apathetic and indifferent? The prophets of the Bible got very emotional and upset when the nation got into sin and waywardness. They didn't just lay back and say, que sera sera--whatever will be will be.

I do agree that the transient things of life should be put on the shelf so that we can take up whatever task is more important to God right now. For the moment, I grieve.... Sorry!

 

[Heart2Soul]

I was getting kind of excited, thinking the prophets were rising again. All kinds of them were coming out of the woodwork, proclaiming this and that. Well, they weren't 100%, but then nobody's 100% perfect, right?

Well, after this last US election, I'm re-thinking my position on the "prophets." So many of them called this election for Trump, and it hasn't turned out that way. So I apologize if I pushed in the wrong direction. I'll have to go back to the drawing board.

I am not recanting my belief in prophets today. I believe they absolutely heard God correctly. There is a purpose in why things happen the way they do. I know when I asked Him what is going on here? He said watch and see what I do.
I believe God intended for this to happen to expose how deep the corruption in our government is. Nothing is impossible for God...and He performs the words of His prophets.
Election fraud has been going on for a very long time. Now we are seeing it right before our very eyes.
Are the children of God so blind that they cannot see the works of the enemy behind all this?
Most people already knew there was going to be a fraudulent election since last year. And when Nancy Pelosi was demanding ALL votes be cast by mail in ballots it was obvious as to why. She even threatened to take it before the Supreme Court...I guess she dropped it.

 

[Heart2Soul]

A lot of things could happen "at any time." You're just proving my point. Instead of calling yourself a "prophet," you're calling yourself a "messenger." A distinction without a difference?

Prophets are His messengers.....just like Angels are His messengers.

 

[Heart2Soul]

The reason is because so much was hanging in the balance as far as if the church was going to pray like she was commanded to or not. She didn't.

I know in the month of January there was a world wide commitment to prayer by all evangelical churches...along with fasting.
Where 2 or more are gathered together as touching anything it shall be done.
One can put a thousand to flight two can put ten thousand to flight.
And He told me not to be concerned with what I see or hear from the media, just trust in Him and pray His Will be done.
So I believe He has heard the prayers of the saints and is fixing to move mountains with the outpour of His Spirit.
We must continue to hope....faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not yet seen.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yea, I personally got caught up in the emotions. I really thought promoting Trump in this election was the right thing, the godly thing. I've lost a tremendous amount of respect for those who claim to prophesy, see visions, and know God. From now on, the more you say you know God, the less respect I have for you.

Well Randy, I would encourage you to not "throw out the baby with the bathwater". When one says they know God- believe them until they show by doctrine and deeds that it may not be true.

I voted for Trump and I still believe He was the better of the two as far as things that biblically mattergo, but would not dare prophesy to that. I wanted him to win, prayed he would win, hoped he would win, but still left the decision to God who raises up kings as He chooses for His purposes.

When someone calls themself a prophet of God- when they prophesy they must be 100% correct, 100% of the time or they are false prophets. If they repent fully forgive them in your heart. If they don't then just ignore them, unless they are in your sphere of influence and then follow the steps of Matthew 18 in hopes of getting them to repent and be reconciled. Do not let the foolishness of others steal your heart and th elove God has for others from you. We all fall short and are stupid in the eyes of God- some of us just different from others!

 

[Heart2Soul]

Well Randy, I would encourage you to not "throw out the baby with the bathwater". When one says they know God- believe them until they show by doctrine and deeds that it may not be true.

I voted for Trump and I still believe He was the better of the two as far as things that biblically mattergo, but would not dare prophesy to that. I wanted him to win, prayed he would win, hoped he would win, but still left the decision to God who raises up kings as He chooses for His purposes.

When someone calls themself a prophet of God- when they prophesy they must be 100% correct, 100% of the time or they are false prophets. If they repent fully forgive them in your heart. If they don't then just ignore them, unless they are in your sphere of influence and then follow the steps of Matthew 18 in hopes of getting them to repent and be reconciled. Do not let the foolishness of others steal your heart and th elove God has for others from you. We all fall short and are stupid in the eyes of God- some of us just different from others!

Actually, in the Bible it speaks of prophets who got it wrong. They had to repent and another prophet corrected them. Which is why a prophet is subject to another prophet.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

If any one who claims to be of Christ and voted liberal against the very Word of God, that is not a God appointment

God appointed many bad kings to punish Israel. He caused other nations to defeat them, enslave them - regardless of the who the leader was.
You must not fully understand Rom. 13:1. He appoints all leaders.

Religion will have put Biden in office, not God.

Religion? Are you implying that Catholism got Biden elected? I guess the Pope, priests and Nuns are dancing in the street.

Regardless of his personal defects which Trump may have overplayed, God accomplished enough in 4 years. God will not let Biden undo that.

I would expect that God would appoint Trump instead, given all that he accomplished through him . But Biden can erase through executive orders all that Trump erased from Obama. He can year down the WALL, let immigrants in, hundreds of thousands of refugees and offer them a free life. Socialism leads to a universal wage for everyone. No more capitalism, no more personal property, no more entrepreneurs, just redistribution of wealth and as they collapse the economies of the world through a series of covid-19 and covid-21 outbreaks, they will offer everyone a way out - take the mark of the beast, relinquish all your assets - or else.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I am not recanting my belief in prophets today. I believe they absolutely heard God correctly. There is a purpose in why things happen the way they do. I know when I asked Him what is going on here? He said watch and see what I do.
I believe God intended for this to happen to expose how deep the corruption in our government is. Nothing is impossible for God...and He performs the words of His prophets.
Election fraud has been going on for a very long time. Now we are seeing it right before our very eyes.
Are the children of God so blind that they cannot see the works of the enemy behind all this?
Most people already knew there was going to be a fraudulent election since last year. And when Nancy Pelosi was demanding ALL votes be cast by mail in ballots it was obvious as to why. She even threatened to take it before the Supreme Court...I guess she dropped it.

Believe me, I was on the side of "the prophets" and Trump. And I saw all of the shenanigans--totally familiar with it. And still God let this country go down the drain. The prophets were wrong. The corruption is so deep that nobody will be able to undo the "theft" that appears to have taken place. The abusive Media, the RINOs, the disgruntled Republicans--nobody's going to rectify the abuses shown to Trump.

The point, though, is that God let it happen. The Pro-Abortion, Pro-Gay, and Pro-Socialist group won by a majority of the US, and by the conscious choice of Americans, ignorant or not. The prophets were wrong, and I won't listen to them any longer.

Does God still speak to people? Of course. My job, as I see it now, is to learn how to separate what God is speaking to me from what others are telling me God is saying.

This country has come to a cross-roads, and judgment is soon to come, when all of the wicked are gathered together. I found solace in the book of Habakkuk, who couldn't understand how God put wicked people over Israel, when Israel was less wicked but was under judgment?

The answer is, God begins judgment at the house of God. Many Christians who have prayed do not live exemplary lives. God won't hear their prayers.

And so, God uses the wicked to rule over those being punished. But when God is done with the punishment, those wicked who rule over us will themselves be obliterated. They are being set up for a terrible fall.

What that means is, our country is going to be judged worse and worse until we're devastated. But the mission of the Church will go on, for better or for worse.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Prophets are His messengers.....just like Angels are His messengers.

You may not be familiar with Keraz. His message is one of doom through the electro-magnetic pulse of solar flares. That is his big thing, which I think is a "prophecy," and he thinks is "Bible." I'm as distrustful of his "message" as I am of the "prophets" who have given false political messages.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Well Randy, I would encourage you to not "throw out the baby with the bathwater". When one says they know God- believe them until they show by doctrine and deeds that it may not be true.

I voted for Trump and I still believe He was the better of the two as far as things that biblically mattergo, but would not dare prophesy to that. I wanted him to win, prayed he would win, hoped he would win, but still left the decision to God who raises up kings as He chooses for His purposes.

When someone calls themself a prophet of God- when they prophesy they must be 100% correct, 100% of the time or they are false prophets. If they repent fully forgive them in your heart. If they don't then just ignore them, unless they are in your sphere of influence and then follow the steps of Matthew 18 in hopes of getting them to repent and be reconciled. Do not let the foolishness of others steal your heart and th elove God has for others from you. We all fall short and are stupid in the eyes of God- some of us just different from others!

I think you're pretty wise, brother. Leave things up to God. These "prophets" are very elaborate and persuasive in their prophesying. Some of them go into details about their meeting with God and with departed holy men, claiming God said this and God said that. Sometimes what they prophesied came amazingly true.

It's been very confusing for me. Right now I'm emotionally upset, and am waiting for God to give me a personal word as to how to reconcile these things. This morning I believe He gave me the book of Habakkuk. It asks God for assistance on this very kind of thing. Thanks for your thoughts!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Yea, I personally got caught up in the emotions. I really thought promoting Trump in this election was the right thing, the godly thing. I've lost a tremendous amount of respect for those who claim to prophesy, see visions, and know God. From now on, the more you say you know God, the less respect I have for you.

I kind of have to agree with this. If those who boldly proclaimed that God had ordained two terms for Donald Trump are shown to be false it's going to shake these prophetic ministries up a bit. Kim Clement probably had the most profound prophecies about Donald Trump and him being in office for two terms. I'm not saying it's definitely over yet, but it's not looking good. I wouldn't want to be one of those prophets that said he's in for two terms right now. We'll see. For right now I'm checking out of all things politics and economies and going back to life as it was before the 2016 election. I'm almost kind of ashamed that I got caught up in all of this. What God has ordained is what God has ordained. He really doesn't need me to change anything or make anything happen.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Very interesting prophecies, but........

We'll know come January.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I think you're pretty wise, brother. Leave things up to God. These "prophets" are very elaborate and persuasive in their prophesying. Some of them go into details about their meeting with God and with departed holy men, claiming God said this and God said that. Sometimes what they prophesied came amazingly true.

It's been very confusing for me. Right now I'm emotionally upset, and am waiting for God to give me a personal word as to how to reconcile these things. This morning I believe He gave me the book of Habakkuk. It asks God for assistance on this very kind of thing. Thanks for your thoughts!

Yes. I fear many of them are wolves in sheeps clothing praying upon our vulnerabilities. We must grow in the word to learn the discernment to see when these kind of prophets rise up to harm the flocks.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Actually, in the Bible it speaks of prophets who got it wrong. They had to repent and another prophet corrected them. Which is why a prophet is subject to another prophet.

I just know this:

Deuteronomy 18:20 - 18:22

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why would God do anything other that what He told us thru His prophets. They do NOT say all life on earth will be incinerated.
But I realize that for you and many, this scenario is unacceptable.

To reject what the Bible prophets say is the epitome of foolishness.

I accept what the prophets say, but I question your conclusion that it must be a CME!

I have read too many books by folks who also make the same kind of conjectures about events to come and make conclusions that , like yours, is anywhere from 0 to 100% wrong! It may be a CME, it may not-but for you to declare that it will be is making you like Hal Lindsay, and the legion of other book writers who have made foolish conclusions.

 

[Keraz]

You may not be familiar with Keraz. His message is one of doom through the electro-magnetic pulse of solar flares. That is his big thing, which I think is a "prophecy," and he thinks is "Bible." I'm as distrustful of his "message" as I am of the "prophets" who have given false political messages.

I have never said 'doom' is coming!
What will happen when the Lord arises to once again reset our civilization, is to destroy His enemies, this time by fire.
Those who trust in Him for protection, will be kept safe and will receive His Blessings, to later be with Him in the Millennium.

I accept what the prophets say, but I question your conclusion that it must be a CME!

In the over 70 prophesies that describe the terrible Day of fire, there is only one way they can all be literally fulfilled:
First the flash of a huge explosion on the suns surface, Isaiah 30:26a, sending the entire spectrum of light to microwaves to the earth within 8 minutes. Deuteronomy 32:22 A massive Electro-Magnetic Pulse, that will cause tectonic plate shift and make armed missiles explode.
Then, as the main ejected mass of superheated Hydrogen approaches the earth it will darken the earth and cause the Moon to glow bright red. Joel 2:31 People will be terrified and will run for cover. Isaiah 2:21, Revelation 6:16-17
24 hours after the explosion, when this mass strikes the earth, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7; at mid day Middle Eastern time, Zephaniah 2:4, the entire ME region will be devastated and virtually depopulated. Jeremiah 10:18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18

This seemingly natural disaster, allows the secular survivors to continue in their disbelief of God and they will form a One World Govt. We Christians have another destiny; in the holy land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35, Romans 9:24-26

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have never said 'doom' is coming!
What will happen when the Lord arises to once again reset our civilization, is to destroy His enemies, this time by fire.
Those who trust in Him for protection, will be kept safe and will receive His Blessings, to later be with Him in the Millennium.

In the over 70 prophesies that describe the terrible Day of fire, there is only one way they can all be literally fulfilled:
First the flash of a huge explosion on the suns surface, Isaiah 30:26a, sending the entire spectrum of light to microwaves to the earth within 8 minutes. Deuteronomy 32:22 A massive Electro-Magnetic Pulse, that will cause tectonic plate shift and make armed missiles explode.
Then, as the main ejected mass of superheated Hydrogen approaches the earth it will darken the earth and cause the Moon to glow bright red. Joel 2:31 People will be terrified and will run for cover. Isaiah 2:21, Revelation 6:16-17
24 hours after the explosion, when this mass strikes the earth, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7; at mid day Middle Eastern time, Zephaniah 2:4, the entire ME region will be devastated and virtually depopulated. Jeremiah 10:18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18

This seemingly natural disaster, allows the secular survivors to continue in their disbelief of God and they will form a One World Govt. We Christians have another destiny; in the holy land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35, Romans 9:24-26

And which of the myriad of "scientific proofs for revelation" did you get these supposed facts from. But you are very much in error for believing wherever you got these supposed facts from.

1. Light does not turn into microwaves. Light waves are light waves and microwaves are microwaves. Micro waves fall between radio waves and visible light.

2. EM pulses will not cause missiles to explode- it will fry their circuitry and render them useless.

3. A super heated hydrogen flare from the sun would not darken the light. Hydrogen in its gaseous form (even at superheated conditions) is completely colorless or transparent!

4. An external EM Pulse cannot cause tectonic shift. A nuclear explosion or an em pulse form the molten core can cause it but not one form the sun. Actually the opposite is true. It is when the KP indexes are at 0 or 1 (meaning the sun is very quiet and not bombarding the earth with EM energy) that creates external earthquakes. In the last grand solar minimum that we are now leaving, we had increased toectonic activity when the suns effect on the KP index was minimal to 0.

Sorry but your science doesn't add up. all these are easily found in quick google searches.

 

[marks]

I think you're pretty wise, brother. Leave things up to God. These "prophets" are very elaborate and persuasive in their prophesying. Some of them go into details about their meeting with God and with departed holy men, claiming God said this and God said that. Sometimes what they prophesied came amazingly true.

It's been very confusing for me. Right now I'm emotionally upset, and am waiting for God to give me a personal word as to how to reconcile these things. This morning I believe He gave me the book of Habakkuk. It asks God for assistance on this very kind of thing. Thanks for your thoughts!

Habakkuk is great!

One of the passages that really puts me in the right frame of mind . . .

The LORD is in His holy temple. Let all the earth keep silence before Him.

It reminds me of the verse, in quietness and trust is our strength.

Much love!

 

[Keraz]

Sorry but your science doesn't add up. all these are easily found in quick google searches.

I did provide scriptural support for what will happen. Did you bother to read them?

1/ The sun will send out a massive burst of the entire spectrum of light to microwaves. Isaiah 30:26a
2/ A powerful EMP will cause armed nuke missiles to explode. Jeremiah 50:22-27 & 49:35-37
3/ The sky will darken, as Joel 2:31 and Revelation 6:12 and others say.
4/ The mountains will move from their place.... the deep penetration of the microwaves will cause this. Deuteronomy 32:22

This will happen, or the Bible prophets are wrong.