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Please describe all the verses which show without any ambiguity in language, that Jesus used military might to force, prevail, or confirm a limited time, seven year agreement with many people.
You list to prevail for gabar in the beginning, which the Wordbook of the Old Testament says is what gabar means when used as a verb, and then conveniently re-define it along all the synonyms for "confirm" - (which is a lousy translation provided by guys who worked by candlelight 400 years ago) - trying to make the word into something postitive when it is not when used in opposition to God - which is what setting up the abomination of an idol - the talking image of the anti-Christ - in the Holy Place: in the Temple and in front of the Curtain - is: it's in opposition to God.
Using Daniel 9:27 to prove Jesus is the "he" of Daniel 9:27 - is a circular argument.
Other coincidences of seven years, which do not establish limited-time covenants, do not prove that Jesus used (military) might to force or prevail a limited-time covenant with many!
You have failed to answer the original post.
(What's even funnier is when you ask Preterists to identify the midpoint abomination... and then try to have them reconcile that with the start of the one 'seven' in the light that Daniel 9:26. He-he-hee!)
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Please describe all the verses which show without any ambiguity in language, that Jesus used military might to force, prevail, or confirm a limited time, seven year agreement with many people.
There is no question that Jesus fulfilled the Father's Will.ALL the verses? That might be asking for a HUGE undertaking, but I'll start with SOME of the verses, how's that?
Again, let me reiterate that these verses do NOT support "that Jesus used military might to force, prevail or confirm a limited time, seven year agreement with many people." My verses support that Yeshua` ratified the covenant that was HIS to ratify in obeying YHWH, His Father, and hearing His Father's approval and endorsement:
And, there are MANY more that relate the Anointed to the Son, and that to the Son of David, and that to the Davidic Covenant and the kingship He deserves.
There is no question that Jesus fulfilled the Father's Will.
There is no question that Jesus made a Covenant with His shed Blood.
There is no question that Jesus laid His Life down for a ransom for many.
There is no question that Jesus had the power to take His Life back up.
There is no question that Jesus is the Messiah King.
Dan 9:27 does not say "ratify." It says gabar. gabar does not mean to ratify.
As a verb, it means to prevail. See Isa 42:13. "he shall prevail against his enemies."
As an adjective, it means to be strong or mighty.
gabar carries with it, strong military overtones.
gabar can be negative when it is used of someone in opposition to God.
Job 15:25 because he shakes his fist at God and vaunts himself against the Almighty,
Job 36:9 he tells them what they have done— that they have sinned arrogantly.
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And speaking of covenants - how is it that this is the only this verse and no other says, according to you, that Jesus prevailed a limited-time covenant?
Are you really trying to tell me that Jesus had a limited time offer for salvation?
Prevail does not mean to confirm, and confirm carries a completely different connotation with its main definition than gabar.
Now if you want to say Jesus "prevailed" over sin by laying His Life down for us in complete and total surrender, having to undergo physical torture and utter humilation at being hung naked on a cross with nails that are more like spikes - you can.
However, you go against how gabar is defined and how it is used in the Bible.
You cannot give any Scripture outside of Dan 9:27 to say Jesus used military might to force, prevail, or confirm a limited time, seven year agreement with many people.
The challenge is to you Retro.
You're the one who can't provide any verse (outside of Dan 9:27) that says Jesus prevailed by military might ANY Covenant.
You're the one who can't provide any verse (outside of Dan 9:27) that says Jesus prevailed a limited time Covenant of only 7 (prophetic) years.
Hi teleiosis,teleiosis said:Please describe all the verses which show without any ambiguity in language, that Jesus used military might to force, prevail, or confirm a limited time, seven year agreement with many people.
I have no intention of trying to provide any evidence outside of Dani'el 9:27 because there is NO NEED! First, I don't believe in a 7-year tribulation or even a 3.5-year tribulation. Therefore, why would I bother trying to prove or disprove such a monstrosity? I don't find it in Scripture; so, I don't believe it!teleiosis said:You're the one who says Jesus "confirmed" a covenant with many for one 'seven.'
Yet you want to throw down petty challenges that have nothing to do with proof for your Preterist leanings on Dan 9:27.
You have no intention of trying to provide any evidence outside of Dan 9:27 for your position because you can't find a shred of it.
- And you can't figure out that a times, a time and half a time is the same as 1260 days and then you have the audacity to try and label me with lunacy?
Really now...
You cannot prove Partial Preterism is correct on this one very basic, theological point.
You're wrong and you don't like it when I hold you accountable.
So now I have earned an enemy because your feelings are hurt.