Revelation 13:12 says "everyone on earth, will be forced to worship the beast", does that mean everyone on earth needs to repent? (refuse to repent?)

[Davy]

I was going to let this go, however, I feel led to shake the dust from off my feet first.

Oh, aren't we just in love with thyself. You throw out liberal Leftist philosophy based on your opinions and you think that gives you the right to shake the dust when others disagree with you? You truly do think highly of yourself.

Your own words prove me right as obviously you are a bit shaken by my comments to you.

You know what an 'affirmation' is? It is a 'wish-it-to-be' idea or statement. Those who push affirmations make wild claims they hope... is true, when there's no proof that it is. I'd never be shaken... by someone as full of baloney as you that exist on opinions, and not The Word of God. I follow The Word of God which means I cannot be 'shaken' by you, nor by any spirit, nor demon, etc.

Not that it's important for me to right, but it's important that you are.
You immediately make a judgement call and basically say that I am a pacifist, who holds to liberal leftist philosophy and am un Biblical..

Do you really... think I have not heard your kind of rhetoric before?? Did you think you could dress it up and make it that unrecognizable?

You want to know how... I actually caught your false rhetoric? It was when after I had laid out MANY BIBLE SCRIPTURES when explaining my Bible understanding, you came back with your OPINIONS and man's philosophy. That's why your posts are lacking in Bible references, because you rely on men's opinions and your own as the Truth. God won't be mocked, using your 'own' word to replace His will always cause confusion and error. And then the major indicator you brought up, which I had not started nor said anything about, you began to attack my character of how I just don't speak as nice to others that you think I should.

 

[Luther7]

You are absolutely right, the "symbolism" provided by the prophets is paramount to interpretation.
Not for just Revelation as it is worthy of consideration for all scripture.
My point is, to have a viable understanding of Revelation, it is imperative to get an understanding of the beginning first.

I believe that to this day we still have not grasped all that Genesis has to offer, at least I know I haven't gotten anywhere near a grasp of Revelation yet.
As far as God being His own prophet, I guess is like God being His own Son.

God bless you Davy.

boltupright.

I agree. Of course other books in the OT, especially Isaiah, are very prophetic. But Genesis lays out the characteristics of end time judgment through the flood.

The world at that time was pagan, with the exception of those eight souls representing the true believers alive when the great tribulation (flood) begins.

The religion of the Babylonian talmud was in it's formative years. And since " there is nothing new under the sun", we can trace the trail of destruction from old Babylon to Revelation/ last days Babylon , when we will be encompassed with the flood of Judaic law from their world headquarters in Jerusalem.

The spiritual line of Cain, the first murderer, never left us.

 

[Luther7]

I'm never thirsty for Leftist-Liberal pacifist dogma. Didn't you ever wonder why Jesus told His disciples in Luke 22 to go buy a sword for those who didn't have one?

And just in case you didn't know, teaching pacification and disarmament doctrines in the Church was one of the Communist Soviet's long range strategic disinformation points against the Christian west. Moscow even holds religious summits inviting western Christian pastors so as to push Social religion.

"27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with 'social religion'. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a 'religious crutch.'" (from ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen's 1958 book The Naked Communist)​

Your comment:
"And just in case you didn't know, teaching pacification and disarmament doctrines in the Church was one of the Communist Soviet's long range strategic disinformation points against the Christian west."
Is very true. But there always seems to be a failure to be more specific, which would have/ will benefit the historical burden of the Gentiles.

When you say the Christian church was/ is under attack from the " Communist Soviets", we can be more specific. Communism was created by a jew and patterned after talmudic Judaism, which teaches world domination through one group of people. And those same people created the "Soviet Union" through mass murder and starvation. So I would be more specific.

 

[Davy]

Your comment:
"And just in case you didn't know, teaching pacification and disarmament doctrines in the Church was one of the Communist Soviet's long range strategic disinformation points against the Christian west."
Is very true. But there always seems to be a failure to be more specific, which would have/ will benefit the historical burden of the Gentiles.

When you say the Christian church was/ is under attack from the " Communist Soviets", we can be more specific. Communism was created by a jew and patterned after talmudic Judaism, which teaches world domination through one group of people. And those same people created the "Soviet Union" through mass murder and starvation. So I would be more specific.

Oh, there's a lot more more that can be added to that Communist attack against the Christian nations, it's true. The actual first recorded history of 'collectivism' like Communist doctrine is based upon was Adam Weishaupt who was an orthodox Jewish law professor at Ingolstadt University, as he created the late 1700's era Bavarian Illuminati order that infiltrated all the Masonic Lodges on the continent of Europe. Secret documents were discovered by the Bavarian police on one of the Iluminati dead agents, which were made public and exposed the order's plan to overthrow all governments, the Christian Church, and the Monarchy. (See Proofs Of A Conspiracy by John Robison, a British Mason in the 1780's, as he addressed those Illuminati documents in his book.)

One can keep going with that group of Jews, but God's Word is what actually reveals what those specific Jews are about. They are the crept in unawares of Jude 4. They are not true Jews born of the seed of Israel. Lord Jesus called them the "synagogue of Satan". They represent the "tares" in His Matthew 13 parable of the tares of the field. They include the leftovers of the Canaanites which Israel was not able to totally destroy per God's command. They give BROTHER TRUE JUDAH a bad name.

 

[Luther7]

Oh, there's a lot more more that can be added to that Communist attack against the Christian nations, it's true. The actual first recorded history of 'collectivism' like Communist doctrine is based upon was Adam Weishaupt who was an orthodox Jewish law professor at Ingolstadt University, as he created the late 1700's era Bavarian Illuminati order that infiltrated all the Masonic Lodges on the continent of Europe. Secret documents were discovered by the Bavarian police on one of the Iluminati dead agents, which were made public and exposed the order's plan to overthrow all governments, the Christian Church, and the Monarchy. (See Proofs Of A Conspiracy by John Robison, a British Mason in the 1780's, as he addressed those Illuminati documents in his book.)

One can keep going with that group of Jews, but God's Word is what actually reveals what those specific Jews are about. They are the crept in unawares of Jude 4. They are not true Jews born of the seed of Israel. Lord Jesus called them the "synagogue of Satan". They represent the "tares" in His Matthew 13 parable of the tares of the field. They include the leftovers of the Canaanites which Israel was not able to totally destroy per God's command. They give BROTHER TRUE JUDAH a bad name.

Agreed! They are most likely of Canaanite descendency. Perhaps the Khazarian empire was of Canaanite origin. They were very very wicked.

They say they are jews AND ARE NOT. And in all actuality there are no true jews or Israelites among us today. They mixed in with the nations of the world a long time ago.

 

[William Barton]

Revelation 13:12 says "everyone in the land" (Greek την γην = "the land").

There was no concept of planet earth when Revelation was written.

IMO this indicates the Middle East.

 

[William Barton]

Dave Clarkston noted:

>Well, ain't that special that you have been trained in the darkened wisdom of mankind.>

I hold a B.S. in Chemical Engineering, M.S./ PhD in Statistics.

I am familiar with Latin, Greek, Hebrew and I study the Bible in its original language (Hebrew/Aramaic in the Old Testament, Greek in the New Testament).

>Anyone that does not know the Lord and understands His Word via the Holy Spirit>

Direct teaching by the Spirit is reserved for prophets, and it is a difficult job..

 

[William Barton]

Dan Clarkston noted:

<darkened wisdom of mankind>

That "darkened wisdom" is what gave us the internet, that you and I are accessing.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:

The "earth" ruled by the beast is Greek γη = "land." There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.

The beast is a Middle Eastern ruler whom some at the time will regard as the promised Messiah.

The beast (a.k.a. "Anti-Christ") gets what's coming to him in Revelation 19:17:21. Welcome to hell.

 

[WPM]

IMO:

The "earth" ruled by the beast is Greek γη = "land." There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.

The beast is a Middle Eastern ruler whom some at the time will regard as the promised Messiah.

The beast (a.k.a. "Anti-Christ") gets what's coming to him in Revelation 19:17:21. Welcome to hell.

Futurists can call “the beast” (Revelation 17:8, 11) “antichrist” (1 John 4:3) and “the mystery of iniquity” (2 Thessalonians 2:7), “that man of sin” (2 Thessalonians 2:3), “the son of perdition” (2 Thessalonians 2:3) and “that Wicked” (2 Thessalonians 2:8) a literal physical “man” all they want, but they cannot get away from the fact that whoever this “man” is, he has been alive for over 2000 years.

That spirit of antichrist

1 John 2:18: “ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”

1 John 4:3: “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

The mystery of iniquity (or lawlessness)

2 Thessalonians 2:7: “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work.”

The Beast

Revelation 17:8: “The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend”

Revelation 17:8: “the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.”

Revelation 17:11: “the beast that was, and is not, even he is.”

What human being do you know has been alive on earth for over 2,000 years?

 

[William Barton]

WPM noted:
>human being... has been alive on earth for over 2000 years>

IMO:
o. Antichrist = *human* ruler in the end times.
o. Beast = fallen *angel* released from the pit ("abyss") in the end-times.

Satan and his angels were cast down to earth long ago (Ezekiel 28:14-16). Angels and cherubim do not die.

 

[WPM]

WPM noted:
>human being... has been alive on earth for over 2000 years>

IMO:
o. Antichrist=human ruler in the end times.
o. Beast=fallen angel (angels do not die).

It's in the Book.

You totally avoided the biblical evidence that forbids your claims. Please address.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
o Antichrist is a human ruler supported by Satan and fallen angel. Satan (the dragon) gives him power and authority" (Revelation 13:1-10).

o. The Bible says, "Satan roams the earth like a hungry lion, seeking whom he may devour" (1Peter 5:8).

o Angels can choose not to be seen (2Kings 6:16-18).

 

[WPM]

IMO:
o Antichrist is a human ruler supported by Satan and fallen angels..

o. The Bible says, "Satan roams the earth like a hungry lion, seeking whom he may devour" (1Peter 5:8).

o Angels can choose not to be seen (2Kings 6:16-18).

More avoidance. Please support your claims by Scripture.

 

[William Barton]

The mark of the beast is described in Revelation 13:16-18. It is a physical mark.

 

[Brakelite]

Hi there,

So I took a very little interpretation of Revelation 13:12 and I came to the conclusion, that since I am on Earth and at war with the sin in my members (as Paul says in the letters), I am at the very least going to be tempted to worship the beast. Now, I thought about it and thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that "I can't deny that it is tempting to worship the beast" (I speak out of a love for the world, as God has). From this, the Holy Spirit was able to convict me, that if I truly want to worship the beast, I should repent. So now that is my basic stance, on where the rest of the world sits in relationship to worshipping the beast: they need to repent (just as I did, or more).

What I won't tolerate, is the Devil coming to me again and again, saying "worship the Beast more and more!" No, and this is the stance I think all my Christian brothers and sisters should take: I have dealt with my sin, in my desire to worship the Beast and have claimed the forgiveness of God through the blood of Jesus, in His Name Amen. After that, the Devil has nothing more he can say.

Now what I am not saying is "I can take the mark of the anti-christ and just repent of the sin, while I still have the mark" No! Cut the mark out of your forehead or out of your forearm, if you have it. I am not condemning you, I am saying don't put yourself in a position where you have to condemn yourself. This is about reaching people, who don't think there is any sin, in adding to the desire to worship the anti-christ and identifying with perpetual sin. The Lord knows whom He can save and whom He cannot. Let us not abuse this.

The time is not far from at hand (they have designed the mark, already, it has just not been enforced) and the world is ready to forget the tribulation that has been on the Earth from the beginning. It will be a blessing that the world forgets the danger of the old world, because it will not think to threaten us, but this is precisely the complacency that the Devil will seek to take advantage of, which is why we must be absolutely certain we don't continue to worship the beast or be in a position on earth where we have no foundation against it.

I wholly agree that the Holy Spirit is able to protect us against the temptation to worship the beast, if that's who you want to trust. But that is the same Holy Spirit that said "don't come to the altar, while your brother has something against you; first reconcile yourself to your brother and then come to the altar (gospels, from memory). If you are going to "just" trust the Holy Spirit (which is good), be sure that you praise God, for being able to trust the Holy Spirit. Be sure that you know how to lock the door - as Lot had to, in the days of Sodom and Gamorrah. That's what Jesus said: "remember Lot's wife". Be sure you are penitent about the distance between you and the world. Revelation 13:12 says "if you are on Earth, you will be forced to worship" as believers, your interpretation of that should be that "if you want to leave Earth, and you haven't properly resisted the temptation: you need to repent".

Heaven may dwell in you, but that is precisely what they want to kill.

May God have mercy on our souls.

I believe you would find it easier once you understand what the beast across is in that particular section of Scripture. (As you would be aware, there are many beasts, rising up at different times and different places. )
So, first understand what this particular beast represents, get that settled in your mind, and take it from there.

“11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. ”
Revelation 13:11-17

Note there are two beasts, each having a different work to do, and only one which you are to worship. This one...

“1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. ”
Revelation 13:1-8 KJV

Worship cannot be forced. You will always choose who, or what, you worship.

 

[Brakelite]

Revelation 13:12 says everyone in the *land* (Greek γη) will worship the beast. There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.

“14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (apart from those that refuse it of course) 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. ”
Revelation 13:14-17 KJV

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[William Barton]

Revelation 13:12 says:

ποιει τγν γην και τους εν αυτη κατοικουντας ινσ προσκυνησουσιν θηριον

"It makes the *land* and all those dwelling in it worship the beast"

There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.

 

[William Barton]

>What human being do you know has been alive on earth for over 2,000 years? >

Angels and cherubim do not die.

 

[William Barton]

"Everyone on earth" IMO is a misleading translation. The New Testament was written in Greek, and this phrase (Revelation 13:8) is Greek:

παντες οι κατοικουντες της γης
all. those. inhabiting. the. land

There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.