Revelation 17

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Waiting on him

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Thank you for all this information and commentary.....so can you summarize as to what is the king/kingdoms whom 5 have fallen, 1 is, and 1 is yet to come?
Revelation 18:3



Babylon the Great is clearly the economic nerve-center of world trade, not of religion. Notice, first the kings of the earth bewail her destruction, and then the businessmen follow suit. It is hard to imagine both the kings of the earth and hardheaded businessmen bewailing the destruction of a church! These leaders are bewailing the destruction of an entity in which their power and wealth are involved, placing them in grave danger of overwhelming loss because Babylon is no longer able to consume their products.

Notice in Revelation 18:3, 7, 19, and 23 how clear the inferences and direct statements are regarding wealth, not only of Babylon itself, but also of those who trade with her. How can these scriptures apply to a church? Modern Israel has been largely responsible for causing the prosperity of Germany, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and now China through trade.



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Revelation 17:16-17



Within the practical realities of international political, economic, and military affairs, the Beast may be resentful and unwilling to do as the Woman directs. As a wild animal would, it will undoubtedly buck and resist, but until God is ready, it ends up most of the time doing what the Woman wants. The Beast submits to the Woman because she possesses power greater in certain areas than the Beast, a power the Beast resents, envies, and plots to have for itself.



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Revelation 18:7



Revelation 18:7 provides us with three of Babylon's important characteristics: that she glorified herself; that she lived extravagantly; and that she proclaimed herself a queen, not a widow, and would see no sorrow. We are looking for an end-time city/nation that is exceedingly wealthy, influential, disdainful, contemptuous, and mocking. She is portrayed as proud to the point of arrogance, self-confident in her security, thinking she has produced the power by her own means. She lives extravagantly relative to the levels of other nations, seeking further gratification while simultaneously compromising with known standards.

We see three remarkable characteristics: arrogant pride; satiety ("fullness of bread," as God calls it elsewhere, a super-abundance of all the good things in life); and avoidance of suffering, a compromising, self-absorbed, self-indulgence.



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Revelation 18:10



Revelation 17 and 18 are not describing a church, but a city/nation that is involved in massive worldwide merchandising and manufacturing. We are looking at a prophetic picture of globalism (the term we use today), which cannot describe a church organization.

The Catholic church has never been involved in manufacturing. It has invested, to be sure, but to actually be the manufacturer, that is another thing altogether. Nor has it been the actual seller of manufactured goods.

Revelation 17 provides no information whatsoever directly tying the woman riding the Beast to religion.



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Thanks, brother...HiH was quick to point out the teaching of this person as a dominion believer...which I know nothing about....wait where have I heard that word....oh yeah, the Dominion Voting machine....
Anyway, I have been away from studying Revelation for awhile and now getting back in it and I need to understand Mystery Babylon alot better.....the Whore who sits in the city with 7 mountains..(most say it is Rome)....
And now to learn whether it is a religious establishment or a political or both.
And the only church that has been around since the beginning of the rise of the Roman Empire is the Roman Catholic Church...
Which brings us to 5 have fallen, 1 is, and 1 is to come.
the last one is definitely coming...
 
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Yes. Excellent.

@Heart2Soul What does that Mountain look like @ 1:48?


Understand that, and understand what Mountains symbolize in the Bible.

She "sits" on them....

Jeremiah 3:2 (Contemporary English Version)
"Just try to find one hilltop where you haven't gone to worship other gods by having sex. You sat beside the road like a robber in ambush, except you offered yourself to every passerby. Your sins of unfaithfulness have polluted the land."

Jeremiah 3:2 (NET Bible)
"Look up at the hilltops and consider this. You have had sex with other gods on every one of them. You waited for those gods like a thief lying in wait in the desert. You defiled the land by your wicked prostitution to other gods.

Jeremiah 3:2 (New Living Translation)
“Look at the shrines on every hilltop. Is there any place you have not been defiled by your adultery with other gods? You sit like a prostitute beside the road waiting for a customer. You sit alone like a nomad in the desert. You have polluted the land with your prostitution and your wickedness.


The tip of Mount Sinai is where the 'Seed' (the Word of God) came down from...

Exodus 32:15
"And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written."


The Lawgiver is between the feet... lol.

I am not trying to be vulgar here. You want the answer and it is right there in your Bible.

The Seven Mountains are not some 'mountain range' that can be found on a map.

The Seven Mountains are *SEVEN LOVERS* that the Harlot 'sits' on in order to produce the Seven Kings.

See that? The Seven Mountains rise and fall over long periods of time. They are not in one place geographically.

The Harlot 'sits' on many 'Waters'...

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Now do you folks here understand what the Waters are?

Revelation 17:15
"And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."


Does this next verse help?

Isaiah 23:3
"And by great waters the seed of Sihor, the harvest of the river, is her revenue; and she is a mart of nations."


This next verse should make it plain as day...

Galatians 4:24 (New American Standard Bible)
This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.


Children proceed from the top of the 'Mountain'.

Oh well. I guess Christians just aren't ready to understand the Kingdom of God Within.
Easy....as I said I am delving deep to understand it and praying asking the Holy Spirit to give me revelation knowledge of it.
I knew there are metaphors...but discovering what exactly these symbolic scriptures are referencing is very challenging....especially with intertwining the writing style of one from an era of centuries past with actual events of today's time.
 

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I have always believed the antichrist comes from a religious cult. How blind will the people be as it is soon coming upon us.

Your links Pretty much IMO inline with Scripture.

I don't believe the "Religious" aspect is the Beast itself...moreso the "side kick" the False Prophet...who derives Power from the Beast, and is a "Mouth-piece"...to gander "build up" the "greatness" of the Beast to the ears of the People.

God Bless,
Taken
 
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amigo de christo

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The Tower of Babel..

Failed once and will FAIL again
PRAISE GOD!

STAND STRONG IN THE FAITH
HUGS
Oh it will fail . but not before souls are gathered as one under the very beast its leading the whole world right too .
And not before many lambs will bleed . OH JESUS gonna rid the earth of the beast this is leading them right too .
But at HIS coming . Many lambs are gonna bleed . The whore rides that dragon , her cup is full and will be full of the blood of many lambs
her fornication cannot be stopped by man . The lambs must endure faithful even unto death , to the end .
BUT YEAH , ITS GONNA BE WIPED OUT one day . See the lambs win even in death , CAUSE JESUS ALREADY WON and our faith IS IN HE ALONE . Our end will be good . THOUGH in this life lambs suffer , and the evil seem to have it good and prosper .
GO YE into the tabernacle of GOD , and See the end . THE END OF LAMBS IS GOOD , but the end of the wicked , though in this life
did prosper is bad . CLING TO JESUS sister . Let the lambs CLING TO JESUS .
 
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Well I listened to about 40 mins of one of the vidoes about the 7 mountains of influence..
I get some bad vibes with it. His interpretation/meaning of some scripture does not sit well with me..the speaker thinks that the Gospel must be preached around the globe in order for the people to rule in the new millennium..that is completely wrong on a number of planes.. and the speaker thinks he is an apostle...I would not place much faith in his theories...I have not listened to all of it and there is much to view..

Until the next time Sis..may all be well with you and family..APAK
THE SEVEN MOUTAINS is and was but the beginning of the transformation .
Transformation one might ask .................YEAH to transform minds right into socialism. ITS ALL BAD NEWS .
RICK warren was steeped in it . But the churches OH THEY JUST LOVED HIM . SO many folks got no idea
how long this has been going on . WE at the end of it .
It wasnt just vile liberal churches , THEY GOT many conservative ones too . Seeker friendly , yah it was all part of that agenda too .
FOLKS GOT DUPED . REAL bad . BUT JESUS can open the eyes of anyone . BIBLES . they must be returned too , opened and read .
WE are in serious dire trouble . THE beast system , the social all inclusive system and gosple , WAS ALL a sham . AND FOLKS BOUGHT it .
APAK , i hope you aint looking for the easy life , I DOUBT YOU ARE , cause true lambs are about to get hammered HUGE .
 
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amigo de christo

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you can skip to about 11 minute marker..
Lisa is catching up to me LOL

I tried to warn for years sister . It seems as though lisa might be catching up just a bit . This is far bigger than most will ever realize .
They got us by their three armed dragon . politics , religions , econonmics . This lovey dovey unity inclusive stuff
that most ya preachers have been hounding out for years , WAS ALL PART of the agenda .
To silence truth , reform minds under a false love , false unity . And soon THEY will call for the eradication
of anyone who stuck to fundamental truth . YEP , even our churches will soon betray us . ITS GONNA HAPPEN . NOT IF , ONLY WHEN .
 

amigo de christo

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you can skip to about 11 minute marker..
Lisa is catching up to me LOL

ziggy , the true believers must stand together in these final days .
We cannot go down the road of this all inclusive stuff . not ANY of it . not economics , politics , or religous .
We must simply speak biblical truth . OH I KNOW saying JESUS is the only way IS NOT INCLUSIVE . YET TRUE IT IS .
And i know warning against or not conforming too this false love stuff , like gays , transgenders and so on , IS NOT inclusive .
YET remember , JESUS never spoke lies . ONLY TRUTH . He corrected , the apostels corrected . We are in trouble .
ROME and our own prostestant churches are leading the faiths and other religions to find common ground . WE MUST resist this lie .
Sie order i speak of , cannot be stopped . We must simply endure faithful to JESUS to the end .
 
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