Romans 6:22

[Johann]

They didnt know it.

Incorrect, they did know....
1Co 6:1 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints?
1Co 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?
1Co 6:3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!
1Co 6:4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church?
1Co 6:5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers,
1Co 6:6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers?
1Co 6:7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?
1Co 6:8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers!
1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

How can you tell me they didn't "know?"

1Co 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
1Co 6:20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body....

This is rightly dividing/cutting straight the D'var of Elohim, and brother, I can hold my own, don't be facetious or presumptuous, I don't read "commentaries" to exegete the scriptures for me, but as a confirmation to what I already know.

maybe someone else can benefit BY reading or entering into others labors, but I don't want to veer off......

You want to tell me the Corinthians were unaware that they were Spirit filled, I have shown you that they were fully aware of that fact by way of a reminder from Paul.

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost,.... What is said in 1Co_3:16 of the saints in general, is here said of their bodies in particular. The Holy Spirit, in regeneration and sanctification, when he begins the good work of grace on a man, takes possession of his whole person, soul and body, and dwells therein as in his temple.

So the Jews (o) call the body of a righteous man משכן, the "habitation" of the Holy Spirit. Now it is most abominably scandalous and shameful that that body, which is the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit, which is sacred to him as a temple, should be defiled by the sin of fornication:

it is added,
which is in you, which ye have of God; meaning the Holy Spirit which was in them, as in his temple; which dwelt in their hearts, and influenced their bodies, lives, and conversations; and which they received of God as a wonderful instance of his grace and love to them; that he should be bestowed upon them, to regenerate, renew, and sanctify them, to implant every grace, to make them a fit habitation for God, and meet for the inheritance of the saints in light:

and ye are not your own: their own masters, at their own dispose, to live to their own lusts, or the lusts of men; men have not power over their bodies to abuse them at pleasure by fornication, or such like uncleanness, neither single nor married persons; see 1Co_7:4 and of all men, not the saints, who are neither their own nor other men's, nor Satan's, but God's; not only by creation, but by choice and covenant; and Christ's by gift, by purchase, and powerful grace, and in a conjugal relation to him; wherefore fornication ill becomes them.
(o) R. Joseph Albo. apud Pocock. Not. in Pert. Mosis, p. 120, 121.
Gill

Confirming the Corinth believers knew that they were Spirit filled, contrary to what you "teach" brother.
J.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So, did you want to retry that "im all about my self effort"...

Continuing in God’s goodness requires self effort.

Paul describes some of those actions of walking in God’s goodness here:

“I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowlinesss and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.” (Ephesians 4:1-3)

Why does Paul “beseech” these actions of us if self effort wasn’t involved?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The test is to make certain you have not "fallen from Grace'" into Legalism, Calvinism, or Denominationalism ..or any type of Cult Religion that pretends to be of God.

How can you tell if you have?
You'l be on a forum and in a pulpit telling people that they can lose their salvation.

Isn’t it strange that no scripture exists in the Bible that warns of such a thing?

 

[Gospel Believer]

BUT THE PHARISEES DID NOT BELIEVE IN CHRIST THE SAVIOR!!!!!

So please stop with the obsession with the Pharisee comparison. It’s invalid.

Is knowing and quoting scripture suddenly an evil thing to do???

“ Satan can cite Scripture for his purpose....oh, what a goodly outside falsehood hath”

 

[Gospel Believer]

Isn’t it strange that no scripture exists in the Bible that warns of such a thing?

You have proven to be wrong about this on so many different occasions, a ten year old could figure out what you cant—- of course, that is assuming that this child is not Spiritually Blind....as you are.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“ Satan can cite Scripture for his purpose...

Saints can cite Scriptures for their purpose…

You have proven to be wrong about this on so many different occasions

You have proven to be wrong about this on so many different occasions…

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Spiritually Blind....as you are.

“Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.” (Hebrews 12:3)

Amen!

I will not be bullied into submission by you sinners!

 

[Behold]

Incorrect, they did know....
1Co 6:1 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints?
1Co 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?
1Co 6:3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!
1Co 6:4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church?
1Co 6:5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers,
1Co 6:6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers?
1Co 6:7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?
1Co 6:8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers!
1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


You want to tell me the Corinthians were unaware that they were Spirit filled,

Because Paul told them so.

"Know you not"?

The Corinthians, are the most carnal baby christians in the entire NT.
They chased "gift", they stayed in strife, and even had incestuous family right there in their local assembly.

 

[Behold]

and ye are not your own: their own masters, at their own dispose, to live to their own lusts, o


J.

It interesting that you wrote that, as you are the very person that says you sin and confess a lot.
So, id say based on your own words, you are in a situation where you need help, and that is not found when you are not listening.
I can help you stop the "sinning and confessing" then repeat failed discipleship issue you have..
But you have to be willing.

 

[Behold]

Continuing in God’s goodness requires self effort.

It requires the blood atonement, Michiah-Imla and faith that is not in self.

If you are trying to perform to stay saved, your faith is broken.

Did you want to post more now about your self effort to try not to lose your salvation?

 

[Behold]

Isn’t it strange that no scripture exists in the Bible that warns of such a thing?

Try these.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Read full chapter

 

[Behold]

Gal. 1:6;
Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—

Here is the issue.
Look at your verse.

Paul is talking to the born again.
He is explaining that they started with the correct understanding, real faith, and it has become perverted, subverted, and the result is that they are fallen away from correct understanding of the Cross, (God's Grace)... and have become convinced that they must provide self effort to God to be accepted.
That is broken faith, in a real believer that Paul defines as "fallen from Grace".
Paul says they are "In the Flesh".

"GRACE" is God saving you, redeeming you, and keeping you ONLY based on Jesus's sacrifice on the Cross.

"another gospel" is a gospel that does not give Christ all credit for saving you, and keeping you saved.

Another Gospel is what John Calvin teaches as his "TULIP"< doctrine.
Another Gospel is what the "cult of Mary" teaches as "baptismal regeneration"
Another Gospel is when your faith becomes deception, and you begin to believe that "the CROSS + something", is Salvation.

"The Cross + water baptism"
"the Cross + enduring"
"The Cross + Keeping commandments"

See what has happened?
The person stopped completely trusting in Christ, and has now added some type of SELF EFFORT to the Cross., and that denies the Cross of Christ.
This is to become anti-Cross, in your faith, and not realize it. = that is deception.

That's broken Faith.
That's what Calvinism causes
That's what the Catholic Cult will cause if they can deceive you.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It requires the blood atonement, Michiah-Imla and faith that is not in self.

Blood atonement covers the first time believer.

Not the sinning saint after conversion.

The sinning saint is now guilty of attempting to mock God (Galatians 6:7) and putting Christ to an open shame (Hebrews 6:6) if he willfully returns to sin.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness

It’s confusing how you apply those passages to a man promoting holiness.

The devil promotes sin because:

“…the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8)

You are confused.

Turning good into evil, and evil into good.

 

[Johann]

"The Cross + water baptism"
"the Cross + enduring"
"The Cross + Keeping commandments"

If you are not water baptized, get it done, now
Endurance is biblical
Keeping the Imperatives of Christ's law is a must

You are advocating that OBEDIENCE to Christ and the scriptures is "a work"

You are preaching/teaching a heteros gospel.

 

[Johann]

See what has happened?
The person stopped completely trusting in Christ, and has now added some type of SELF EFFORT to the Cross., and that denies the Cross of Christ.
This is to become anti-Cross, in your faith, and not realize it. = that is deception.

Nothing to do with self efforts, all to do with obedience to the Imperatives which YOU classify as "work"

 

[Johann]

Another Gospel is what John Calvin teaches as his "TULIP"< doctrine.

I don't hold to Calvin's teachings.

 

[Behold]

Blood atonement covers the first time believer.

Not the sinning saint after conversion.

There is a cult teaching that denies the Cross, and the Grace of God.
Here is how they do it.

"only your sin until you are saved, is forgiven, and then its on you to keep running to 1 John 1:9 and do that, even tho this verse is written to non believers"

The blood atonement is saving you right now, or you're not saved.

"""""""THe one time ETERNAL sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, is not a part time, redemption."""

See that word "Eternal".
It means what it says...
Listen...
Never deny the Cross of Christ in public, like you just did, even tho you've been taught to do it, Michiah-Imla.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Never deny the Cross of Christ in public, like you just did, even tho you've been taught to do it, Michiah-Imla.

Never deny the holy scriptures in public, like you just did, even tho you've been taught to do it… @Behold

“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:20-22)

You are not above the holy scriptures.

 

[Johann]

Paul is talking to the born again.
He is explaining that they started with the correct understanding, real faith, and it has become perverted, subverted, and the result is that they are fallen away from correct understanding of the Cross, (God's Grace)... and have become convinced that they must provide self effort to God to be accepted.
That is broken faith, in a real believer that Paul defines as "fallen from Grace".
Paul says they are "In the Flesh".

Why have they become subverted? You are using worldly
oratory and do not adhere to biblical terminologies.

Paul was warning the believers against the Judaizers, that they ought to be circumcised and observing the Torah.
The Judaizers were tampering with the essential thrust of the very nature of the gospel, and Paul taught that it was not trying to make points by obeying the Torah, the believers already had freedom.
So here, in this epistle, Paul forever settles the score about the relationship we believers have with the law of Moshe
In Galatians
A different type of gospel versus the authentic gospel
Man's reasoning versus the blessing of life. condemnation versus exoneration, servants in bondage versus sons in freedom, falling from grace versus standing firm in the grace.

Again, you take OBEDIENCE and substitute it as works
Water Baptism is biblically correct
So is perseverance, and so is keeping the commandments, the Imperatives of Christ

All of the above you deny and yet it is thoroughly Pauline.

This I find intriguing, obedience to Christ, the over 1000 Imperatives, all this, you sweep under the rug "as works"

2Th_1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

2Ti_2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2Ti_2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

2Ti_4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2Ti_4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Heb_12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Heb_12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

Jas_5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

1Pe_2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

maybe you "missed" the "endurance" part? And so I can quote scriptures as to perseverance, water baptism, and the keeping of the Imperatives of Christ.

J.