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What is sin? According to my Bible sin is...DPMartin said:When Jesus healed on the Sabbath, and His Apostles were gathering corn on the Sabbath, did He disobey the Commandments?
DPMartin said:When Jesus healed on the Sabbath, and His Apostles were gathering corn on the Sabbath, did He disobey the Commandments?
Also to DGenisisewq1938 said:They broke the Sabbath for sure but Jesus gives reasons why it was ok. First he cites two examples where people broke the rules for a higher moral purpose clearly showing that he had the same right as they did. Secondly, he informs them he is Lord of the Sabbath meaning he has the authority to excuse himself and others from certain banned activities. He also says that doing good is always has been ok on the Sabbath in regarding to healing people.
DPMartin said:Also to DGenisis
thanks for the replys
Well He said the Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath, didn’t He? He didn’t say the Son of God is Lord of the Sabbath.
by the by, Jesus never trangressed the law
The Barrd said:Jesus did not transgress the law...that is a lie.
There is no IF. He transgressed it. If you can't see that there is nothing I can ever say to change that. The issue here to be understood is how can you transgress the law but be blameless. The answers are in those verses.If He transgressed the law He wouldn’t be qualified to be the Messiah, Son of God.
Sure but he explained there was no fault or wrong in their breaking of the Sabbath so the Pharisees had nothing to convict him of.That is why the Pharisees were always trying to find fault in Him to be rid of His influence with the people. The Pharisees knew exactly what they were doing. They knew that if He was a fault with the law they can prove He wasn’t the Messiah.
No, he wouldn't have been a proper sacrifice. It isn't related to being resurrected. No worries though, Christ transgressed the law but was blameless in doing it just as the ones in his two examples he used in his defense.If Jesus transgressed the law according to God the Father, He wouldn’t have been risen.
There is no IF. He transgressed it. If you can't see that there is nothing I can ever say to change that. The issue here to be understood is how can you transgress the law but be blameless. The answers are in those verses.
Sure but he explained there was no fault or wrong in their breaking of the Sabbath so the Pharisees had nothing to convict him of.
No, he wouldn't have been a proper sacrifice. It isn't related to being resurrected. No worries though, Christ transgressed the law but was blameless in doing it just as the ones in his two examples he used in his defense.
heretoeternity said:If Jesus "transgressed" the law as you said, that would make Him a sinner...you are speaking blasphemy...
No it is not so because there is no such commandment that says "thou shalt not kill". The commandment in the Hebrew is "thou shalt not murder" which is a specific type of killing which is illegal and morally wrong.DPMartin said:Ewq
In the case of a soldier, if he kills his fellow soldier intentionally, then its murder. If he kills the enemy saving the life of his fellow soldier he’s a hero, to be relied on. One of these is a transgression of the law thou shalt not kill, but the other isn’t, isn’t that so ewq?
Gathering food on the Sabbath is against the law but they were doing it. They transgressed the law but they had a moral reason to break that law...which was because of Christ's ministry which was 7 days a week and didn't stop on the Sabbath. They also weren't supposed to be traveling on the Sabbath but the ministry called for traveling.Simple, one act of labor for profit maybe a transgression but the healing of a person or saving the life a an animal, isn’t a transgression of the law.
Incorrect, a private person is breaking the law if they are speeding but likely they will be excused from guilt because of that particular reason to be speeding.Speeding to drive aggressively is braking the law, speeding to get your wife braking water to the ER isn’t.
Now that’s a lie. The Stone Edition of the Torah a Hebrew document with Hebrew and English text in parallel, translates the text to "you shall not kill." How is it that you know more about the text then they do?ewq1938 said:No it is not so because there is no such commandment that says "thou shalt not kill". The commandment in the Hebrew is "thou shalt not murder" which is a specific type of killing which is illegal and morally wrong.
This isn't about me. What the Hebrew states is well known by anyone who has studied the actual wording. And stop throwing around the false accusation "lie". You haven't even studied this well enough to be able to decide what is a lie or not.DPMartin said:Now that’s a lie. The Stone Edition of the Torah a Hebrew document with Hebrew and English text in parallel, translates the text to "you shall not kill." How is it that you know more about the text then they do?
Shall we now accuse our own bodies of breaking the Sabbath? Shall we accuse God for making us bodies which need to daily be healed? Shall we charge God with breaking His own law?