JimParker said:
on Sunday, the day Christ rose.
Jim Parker,
You are still promoting your flawed theory that Christ rose on Sunday. The Bible teaches that all days begin at sunrise. He rose on Saturday night, prior to Sunday sunrise. All four gospels are in agreement about this. Following is an excerpt from one of my teachings taken from the pages of Scripture, not from the errant teachings of men. Posts 81 and 105 in this thread provide more info.
RESURRECTION DAY
10.a. Why do we know that neither the Last Supper nor the day of the crucifixion can possibly be the same day as Passover? Because we can count the days and nights in which Yahoshua's body was dead. We know that He was crucified on the day before Passover. Since Passover is always Friday Abib 14, then He must have been crucified on Thursday Abib 13. Now let us count the days and nights.
Thursday Abib 13 was the last day He was alive, but it is also the first day in which He was dead.
Thursday day of Abib 13 counts as the first day.
Thursday night of Abib 13 counts as the first night.
Friday day of Abib 14 (the day of Passover) counts as the second day.
Friday night of Abib 14 counts as the second night.
Saturday day of Abib 15 (the first day of the seven days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread) counts as the third day.
Saturday night of Abib 15 counts as the third night.
We cannot count Sunday day of Abib 16 as resurrection day because that would necessitate the count of a fourth day. Therefore, He must have risen from the dead sometime Saturday night prior to Sunday sunrise. And this is exactly that which the Bible teaches.
10.b. We know that Yahoshua's resurrection did not occur after Sunday sunrise and that it must have occurred sometime Saturday night, most likely in the fourth watch of the night; i.e., between our current day 3 AM and sunrise. We will now examine four parallel verses that show this is that which the Bible teaches. There are a number of time markers in these four passages. I will itemize them now in advance.
1) After the sabbaths
2) at the dawning
3) into the first of the sabbaths
4) the sabbath passing
5) very early on the first of the sabbaths
6) the sun rising
7) upon the first of the week
8) deep dawn
9) very early in the morning
10) on the first of the sabbaths
11) came early
12) darkness yet being on it
10.c Matthew 28:1 TIB, "
After the sabbaths, at the dawning (Strong's G2020 epiphosko)
into the first of the sabbaths, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the grave." "
After the sabbaths" refers to the two sabbaths of (1) Passover and (2) the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which was an annual sabbath as well as a weekly sabbath. "
At the dawning" means that there was evidence on the eastern horizon that the sun was soon to rise. In fact, the Greek word for dawning is
epiphosko and its meaning is
to begin to grow light. "
Into the first of the sabbaths" means that the coming day was Sunday Abib 16 (Sheaf Wave Day*), and that it was the first day of the first week in which the counting of seven perfect* sabbaths was to begin. What all of this shows is that it was still Saturday night Abib 15, prior to Sunday Abib 16 sunrise.
*NOTE: Leviticus 23:15 TIB, "And you shall number to you from the next day after the sabbath, from the day you bring in the sheaf of the wave offering; they shall be seven perfect sabbaths[.]
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10.d. Mark 16:1-2 TIB, "
1 And the sabbath passing, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome, bought spices so that coming they might anoint Him. 2 And very early (Strong's G4404 proi)
on the first of the sabbaths, the sun rising, they came upon the tomb." "
And the sabbath passing" means that it was the Saturday sabbath that was passing and sunrise was approaching but the new day had not yet dawned. "
And very early on the first of the sabbaths" means that the coming day was Sunday Abib 16, and that it was the first day of the first week in which the counting of seven perfect sabbaths was to begin. But we need to look specifically at the Greek word
proi that was translated as
early. Proi is Strong's G4404 and it means the day-break watch. In other words it was still the fourth watch of the night, which in our time was approximately 3 AM to sunrise. There can be no mistaking that the Marys arrived at the tomb prior to Sunday sunrise on Abib 16. "
The sun rising" means that there was evidence on the eastern horizon that the sun was soon to rise. What all of this shows is that it was still Saturday night Abib 15, prior to Sunday Abib 16 sunrise.
10.e. Luke 24:1-2 KJV, "
1 Now upon the first day of the week, very (Strong's G901 bathus)
early (Strong's G3722 orthros)
in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre." "
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning" really has no different meaning than Mark 16:1-2. "
Very early in the morning" means that sunrise had not yet taken place. Actually, the two Greeks words inserted into the passage above mean
deep dawn. Strong's G901
bathus means
deep and G3722
orthros means
dawn. Therefore, the beginning of this verse could have been translated as "
Now upon the first of the week, at deep dawn, they came unto the sepulchre…". The meaning of
deep dawn is that it was just beginning, and the evidence of the sun starting to rise was barely perceptible. In other words, it was the beginning of dawn, not the middle, not a full blown dawn, not the last few seconds prior to sunrise - instead, it was deep dawn.
So, why call it the first day of the week, which is Sunday? Let us suppose that sunrise was at 6 AM. We are arriving at the tomb at 5:30 AM. Even though it is not officially Sunday yet, would it not be acceptable to express that it was the first day of the week, very early in the morning? What wording would you prefer? Possibly,
the sun was rising and any minute the Sabbath would be over and we are now arriving at the tomb. Even today, if we got up to go fishing at 3 AM, we would say
early in the morning we will go fishing, not at all meaning that it was sunrise yet. Likewise, if the following morning we got up at 3 AM because we got sick from eating rotten fish, we would tell our fishing buddy that we got up in the middle of the night. So, which is it? Is 3 AM the middle of the night or is it early in the morning? Both answers are acceptable, depending upon the circumstances. So, Luke is consistent with the other three gospels in describing an event that began on Saturday Abib 15.
Let us place ourselves into the first century. Was time told in minutes? This is a highly doubtful proposition, even ridiculous. What technical capabilities did they possess to enable them to estimate time in minutes? The answer is none that they could carry around with them - no wristwatches or cell phones. So, in a society that must use time markers, instead of a watch to indicate time, we can expect that one would say things such as, "
Now on the first of the week, very early in the morning", or better still "
Now on the first of the week, at deep dawn". And this would not mean that the previous day was officially over (because the sun had not risen yet), it would mean that a new day is coming on, or approaching.
But please remember this. This scene being described in these four gospels is not a static scene. The Marys were indeed arriving at the tomb prior to sunrise. At this time the stone was already rolled away and the tomb was empty. Even though they arrived prior to sunrise, it is easy to see that sunrise probably occurred while they were at the tomb. After all the scene is not static, it is active and moving, time is progressing. The resurrection must have taken place prior to sunrise and therefore it took place on the night of Saturday Abib 15.
10.f. John 20:1 TIB, "
But on the first of the sabbaths Mary Magdalene came early (Strong's G4404 proi)
to the tomb, darkness yet being on it. And she saw the stone had been removed from the tomb." John's gospel helps us understand, perhaps more than the other three, exactly how this scene played out. But remember, as we are doing, all the Scriptures, the full counsel of God must be consulted, before we have the full story. John's gospel is not in opposition to the other gospels, it is complimentary to them. So, that the fours gospels together give us the complete picture that we need.
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But on the first of the sabbaths" means that the coming day was Sunday Abib 16, and that it was the first day of the first week in which the counting of seven perfect sabbaths was to begin. "
Came early" means that the sun had not risen and the new day had not yet officially begun. Remember that we just explained above that
proi translated as
early means the day-break watch. "
Darkness yet being on it" leaves zero doubt about the position of the sun - it had not risen yet because it was still dark. This parallel passage in John affirms the exegesis that I have given all along in all the four gospels regarding the time markers used to describe the time of day in which the Marys arrived at the tomb.
10.g. Our final conclusion, based partly on that which is taught in these four parallel Scriptures, is that Christ Yahoshua was resurrected from the dead late Saturday night Abib 15 and prior to sunrise on Sunday morning Abib 16. This satisfies all the requirements given in Matthew 12:40 and all the other Scriptures that describe the number of days in which our Savior was in the heart of the earth.
Zeke25