justaname said:
Again the 10 are contained in the 613...they never were separated in the way you claim...
Christians are not held to the 10 any more than they are held to the 613...
Perhaps you should reread when the Israelites undertook the Covenant administered through Moses...the ten were apportioned to the entire covenant...its called the Mosaic Covenant...
You don't see that there was a major difference in the way they were recorded, and in the way they were stored?
The Ten Commandments:
Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
The Law of Moses:
Deu 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.
God spoke the Ten Commandments:
Deu 4:36 Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice, that he might instruct thee: and upon earth he shewed thee his great fire; and thou heardest his words out of the midst of the fire.
And He did not add to them:
Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice:
and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me
This makes it obvious that God puts a difference between the Ten Commandments and the rest of the law, because He did give
Moses statutes, precepts, judgments, and ordinances afterwards. If the Mosaic law was part of the Ten Commandments, there would be a contradiction here, because it seems that God did add more to this law.
But we know that the Bible does not contradict itself, right?
Therefore, it is obvious that God considered the Ten Commandments to be a separate Law.
And again....which of those Ten Commandments are Christians not held to?
Yes, you may eat pork, if you like...
But does that mean it is okay to commit adultery?
You can go without bathing....if you can stand your own stink.
But does that make it okay to murder?
Honestly, sometimes I worry about you OSASers....
It's as if a part of your brain is disconnected or something.
I mean, it is obvious, Justaname, that you are intelligent, and well educated, and I believe you are sincere.
It is also obvious that users like ATP and Mjrhealth are your ardent admirers and devout followers. For that reason alone, you really need to think this stuff through.
I mean, I, also, believe and trust in the eternal security of the believer. But I also know that there is the real possibility that a believer can fall and be lost. There are too many examples in the Bible of people that did just that...starting with Adam and Eve.
I believe in Grace, and I praise God for it. But I also know that we must obey His commandments.
What bothers me the most about OSAS is that it is used as a shelter for sin.
I've heard too many Baptists who have divorced and remarried talking about how they know that it is a sin...they are committing adultery....but it's okay, because they are "saved". Perhaps, if they hadn't been taught this damnable doctrine of devils, they would have worked to save their marriage....and their kids might still have both of their parents.
Worse, yet, others use this same tactic to excuse themselves from having the spouse....and a lover or two on the side. After all, they are "saved" and they can't sin any more, so what the heck? It's all been "paid for".
And now, we have the gay community. Is homosexuality a sin? You betcha. Will the devout homosexual Christian involved in an active homosexual relationship die for his infraction? Nah....because, you see, he is covered by the blood....
ATP actually told me that a born again Christian could actually indulge himself in the sin of child molesting. He could continue it for years, but he would still go to heaven when he dies....because he is "safe in the arms of Jesus".
Yeah....you guys have a lot to answer for. Don't mind me, sidling away, here. I just don't want to be standing too close when the lightning strikes....