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I thought you couldn't do it, which is fine. I had no real expectation you would, because it would really show how confused you are.
If you were a student of Paul, then when you read what i teach, you'd know it was Paul's Theology.
You're not that student, as JW Cult theology is anathma regarding Paul's Doctrine.
Galatians 1:8
Jesus has already called Paul to be the teacher of NT Church Theology.
So, while you are waiting on some idea of a future Jesus, Paul was here 2000 yrs ago, giving real Chrisitans, Jesus's instructions.
This is "Paul's Doctrine".
This is why Paul wrote most of the NT Epistles.
This is "finished".
1.) "God hath made JESUS.......to be SIN For us"..
2.) "Jesus is the ONE TIME....... ETERNAL......sacrifice for sin".
Jesus IS Salvation.
Jesus IS Eternal Life
The reason that John the Baptist preached 'the Kingdom of Heaven" is because He was announcing Jesus.
Born again Christians wont be in the Tribulation, as the Trib is God's Wrath revealed and enforced, and Christians are "not appointed to wrath".
If Jesus does not "know you" then that means you are not born again "in Christ" as "One with God"... before you died.
So you died "in your sins", unforgiven and Hell bound.
Paul teaches that disunity is a result of not correctly understanding God's Grace as The Cross of Christ.
John 3:36........and 2 Thess 1:8-9 prove that God's Anger is still waiting to fall in the future.
Fearing God and doing right, is just works, and God does not accept any person's works to accept them.
See, our SIN has to be dealt with, and that takes The Cross of Christ and Faith.
God only accepts our FAITH in Christ to Justify us.........as "Justification by Faith" "without works or deeds of the Law".
Jesus The Lord coming to Israel for 100O yrs and the born again will be ruling with Him.
(Millennial Reign of Christ)...on Earth....right after the Grt Trib is over.
Aunty Jane
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All the best with that.....you will never be able to say that no one told you the truth.....you need a little less Paul and a lot more Jesus, who is the one who taught him all he knew.
You belong to a religious system that is absolutely not connected to Born again NT Christianity.
When is the last time you were in a Temple and the teacher talked about becoming a born again Christian on earth before you die?
You've talked to me for a while now, and never does the term "born again" enter your posts, regarding becoming a CHRISTian.
Listen....
Jesus said that "you must be born again"......as that means that your SIN that is separating you from God has been dealt with by His Sacrifice, and God can then give you the "new birth".
This has to happen on earth, before you meet Hebrews 9:27
Never say that someone didnt tell you the truth, as ive told you this at least 20x.
Aunty Jane
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Actually it IS faithfully connected to genuine NT Christianity, as Jesus and all his apostles taught it.... but not faithful to what 21st century Christendom teaches, which has defected from the truth more than most can imagine.
And you seem to have your own version of things yourself, as you argue endlessly with anyone who doesn’t agree with your particular version of what you believe “Christianity” to be. Who said you are right?
Your expectation that Jesus will come to earth again is obviously wrong because he will never be seen on earth in the flesh again.
He told his disciples.....John 14: 18-21; 25-26; 28-31...ESV...
“I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”
“These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. And now I have told you before it takes place, so that when it does take place you may believe. I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me, but I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father...”
Jesus told them he was leaving them, but although the world would not see him again...they would see him because he would come back for them and take them to their new abode. When though, was he coming back for them? When would they live as he promised?
Paul said that they would “sleep” in death until that time arrived when he would return, not seen by visual means, but by terrible world events. (Listed in Matt 24:3-14)
1 Cor 15:18-28....where are the dead who “have fallen asleep in Christ”?
“Furthermore, those who have fallen asleep in Christ have also perished. But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also comes through a man. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at His coming, those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He puts all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be abolished is death. For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all.” (HCSB)
The Kingdom of God will not be found in literal Jerusalem.....it is a governmental arrangement in heaven to rule over redeemed mankind on earth, likely with human representatives as God has always dealt with his people.
When Jesus has successfully completed the purpose of his kingship, he will hand rulership back to the one to whom it rightfully belongs.....subjecting himself to the Father.
Literal Jerusalem has no part to play in this kingdom, as Jesus told the Samaritan woman....at John 4:20-22...she said to Jesus....
“Our forefathers worshipped on this mountain, but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where people must worship.” 21 Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews.”
Salvation began with the Jews but it does not end with them.....It all began in Jerusalem but it will not end there either. The holy land is so polluted with bloodshed that God wants nothing more to do with it...
There is a “new Jerusalem” that the chosen ones look forward to being a part of because of what it will accomplish for the redeemed human race....bought with precious blood. (Rev 21:1-2)
Listen? Why would I listen to someone who has lost the plot and has expectations that are lost in bad translation....
Your obsession with being “born again” is also lost on those who do not have the “heavenly calling” as Paul described it. (Heb 3:1) Only those who will rule with Christ in his Kingdom are chosen for a role in heaven, (Rev 20:6) these will be “born again” as spirit sons of God and taken to heaven....but those of us who are not chosen, do not feel left out as if we are somehow inferior to our brothers who have been called to heaven.....it is God’s choosing, not something we can volunteer for.
We are grateful that God has chosen the very best rulers to bring us back to him.....I look forward to the time when the Kingdom is handed back to its rightful Sovereign, so that God’s will can “be done on earth as it is in heaven” and wherever else God may want to transmit life in the future.
You never quote Scripture in context, which means you are no student of the Bible since context is everything.
What does that verse in it proper context, mean?
Heb 9 22-28...ESV..
“Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.”
When does Christ appear again....and to whom? Do you see now where that verse fits?
You demonstrate no understanding of the Scriptures you use to prop up your beliefs. But instead, you puff your chest out as if you are somehow the only valid teacher in existence.....commanding the readers to “LISTEN”. Who can take you seriously?
I assure you, your opinion of yourself is not widely shared, nor is your view shared by the majority of Christians here either.....so now let me ask.....how are your beliefs somehow more valid than mine?
I’ll keep that in mind on judgment day....we all will.....it will be a day of surprises.... but not good ones for the majority....but still no heaven or hell....those who die....”sleep”. (Eccl 9:5; 10) sometimes permanently.
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The understanding of Salvation, as Faith in Christ that is "justification by faith" was not taught by Jesus when he was in his 3.5 yr ministry to the JEWS only.
The understanding of the doctrine of Salvaiotn is taught by Paul.
All the born again will reigh with Jesus in Israel, during His 1000 yr, "millennial" reign.
If you are not there its because you were never born again, and died in your sins.....
Ive never met a born again Jehovah's Witness.
I truly hope you are become the exception.
Jesus is coming back for His "Bride'...........His Bride is the "body of Christ" that is the NT Church.......Its all the Christians.
The KOG is a spiritual kingdom.............and Christ says its "within you" Luke 17:21 (KJV)
The Kingdom of Heaven will be Christ's earthly reign......(Millenial reign of Christ) on Earth with all the born again Christians.
Salvation began with Jesus on The Cross sacrificing Himself for your sins and mine.
John 3:16,17
You dont have to listen to me.
But if you decide to continue reading what i post, then all you'll get from me is Pauline Theology......."Paul's Doctrine".
Jesus sent Him to give this to the NT Church.
Its all i teach.
No one on this forum understand what you are talking about when you say that "rulers" are involved with "bringing us back to Him"
The bible refers to Prophets, Evangelists, Teachers, Apostles, and Pastors........given for the "perfecting of the Saints".
I dont quote verses according to your JW theology.
Thats true.
And i never have and never will.
1.) Rapture for the "bride of Christ"
2.) 2nd Advent to judge those who "do not obey the Gospel"........ 2 Thess 1:8-9
I demonstrate clear Pauline Theology understanding.
Your JW cult is not connected to any of this, so, what i say and teach, sounds to you like confusion.
Of course.
I assure you that your opinion of me, is meaningless to me. @Aunty Jane .
Also, what people think of me.......is not what i concern myself with... as im not a people pleaser who needs adulation or approval.
I do my work on this forum and on many others, and i do my work in ministry in real ilfe, and God does the rest.
See, Im only on a forum for 3 reasons.
1.) To highlight heretics, so that the other members can recognize them and learn what is wrong with their theology so that they wont fall pray to cult theology.
2.) To help believers get out of Hebrews 6:1 and into "as many as be perfect".....= mature spirituality.
3.) So that an unbeliever might hear the Gospel and be born again.
There are no Christians in Hell, and there are no water baptized and or.... religious fakirs never born again, found in Heaven.
No one should listen to you. Justification by faith which to you does not include works. That's a dead faith. A dead faith is useless.
Justification by faith is justification by Faith.
Correct.
So, now being Justified by Faith.......and having become a Christian........we then go and do this, as our DISCIPLESHIP>......not our Salvation.
A.) = "Present your body as a living sacrifice to God, which is your reasonable SERVICE".
See that word "service' ????? .....that means that now that you are born again......and are ETERNALLY "Justified by faith"......your discipleship begins as your = service to God.
Salvation is not your Service.
Salvation is God's GIFT of Salvation.
Yes faith that includes action(works) as James said, faith that is completed by works. If faith alone was sufficient it wouldn't need completion.
The "actions" come AFTER you become a Christian......as that is "Discipleship" that follows Salvation.
Here is the thing........You can do the works of a Christian, and not be a Christian........and you can be a Christian, and have dead faith, and you are a Christian who James teaches needs to get busy and do some works.
See, the proof of becoming a Christian, is not works.........its "the new birth"......its to be born again.
Yes but if you don't have the actions you dont have a complete (salvific) faith. A faith without works is dead.
Faith doesn't cause works. They have to be chosen. Oops
If you dont have the actions that prove faith in Christ.....then it can be that the Christian is caught up in the world.
We are warned to "be not of the world".......because it can happen that you get caught up in it, or there would be no warning given.
So....There are a lot of worldly Christians in any denomiantion....yet they are still Christians, because they are born again.
And there are devout and genuinely good hearted religious people who are not really Christians, are not born again, who are even water baptized, and spend their life trying to be like Christ and they die and go to hell, because they were never born again.
So, we know that becasue a person has become a Christian, they are supposed to prove it with their lifestyle and behavior., as James teaches.
Salvation creates a "new creation in Christ', and that is always going to cause a change inside a person as there is no way the God can come to live inside you, and you not know the day, and the moment this happened, ...... and that is not water baptism.
However, this world ....the world system is very mind blinding.....its very deceiving, as its designed by Satan to deceive you and cause you to focus on it.
So, when a Christian is caught up in the world....their focus is not on Jesus, its not on God, and that is when their faith grows cold and can become dead faith.
Howver, this is not dead salvation, as if dead faith was dead salvation.. then James would not be telling Christians who have dead faith......to do works.
He would tell them........"you're going to hell".
But he doesnt.........He tells dead faith Christians., to get busy doing some works .
You have to show that faith "causes" works. You know what "causes" means don't you? Telling me people are a new creation is meaningless. If people are free to choose they arent acting out of love
What faith causes......is.........It causes God to save the person who gives God their Faith in Christ.
"Justification by Faith".
And now being Justified.......saved, forgiven, and born again by God.......the person is naturally going to want to live a lifestyle that qualifies them as being a Christian.
However, it can be that they fall victim to past habits, or unfortunate people who quickly lead them astray, and they become deceived and end up very carnal, yet, born again.
Chrisitanity .........is to become a "new Creation".......as a born again Spirit.
THat is not related to works..........because this is God causing a spiritual birth of a SINNER who has given God their faith in Christ.
And now being FORGIVEN....and born again.........they enter their discipleship.........and that is when the works begin.
Right faith but not faith alone but a faith that is completed by works that have to be chosen otherwise the faith is dead.
So if God is merciful to some,,,,
He does this at the cost of not being just.
God is either just or He is not.
If HE chooses some for heaven and we ALL deserve hell...
then He ceases to be just.
God must be both just AND merciful.
There's only one way He could accomplish this.
He MUST be both.
But how?
Think about it well BF.
Only the Holy Spirit can help you.
Agreed.
But some don't read a lot of threads....I'd be one of these.
And some don't read each and every post...I'd be one of these too.
So we have to give the benefit of the doubt.
If someone doesn't know about calvinism...they will never understand some of what you state.
Like I said, tell God at the Judgment how you feel about His dealings with mankind
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