"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[Eternally Grateful]

John was saying any who practice sin is not a child of God-1John 3 is telling who is who.

yep

so they HAVE NEVER BEEN SAVED. because THEY HAVE NEVER KNOWN GOD

6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

 

[Keiw]

yep

so they HAVE NEVER BEEN SAVED. because THEY HAVE NEVER KNOWN GOD

6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

All sin, no man can say he does not. Some practice sin.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

All sin, no man can say he does not. Some practice sin.

Yes, they can say "the truth" that sets us free. You need to learn what God and the apostles are actually saying. You are believing like millions of people do, that 1 John 1:8 and 10 are about Christians. But it is not about a Christian, but one BEFORE accepting Christ that needs to do the next verse which is the context. You've been taught that everybody sins, and Jesus has no power to change you. That is a doctrine of demons to undermine the power of Jesus. 1 John 3:5 "Jesus was manifest to TAKE AWAY SIN, and in Him there is no sin."

 

[1stCenturyLady]

No...

The context of scripture is what God chooses, not those who write or those who read. It is only those who "hear what the Spirit says" who will hear His voice.

If it were not so, then all the Psalms regarding Jesus, were only about David, etc.. For this same reason Jesus asked those in the Temple “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David?" --but none could answer. But if you can hear it, I have given you the answer.

Believe me, I hear His voice very clearly. And only a rhema to you personally is true to you, but not in general as you are doing. What you are doing is practicing altering God's word to say whatever you want to teach people. But they cannot receive your own rhema - it isn't to them.

 

[ScottA]

There are plenty of God's Own Words to say what you mean; you don't have to twist other scriptures that are their own proof texts of other subjects. You are loosing credibility. But that is up to you. Now study, and find the right sources of your doctrine, to see if your doctrine is God's.

It is God who "twisted" ("confused" Genesis 11:7) all language including all scripture, and only the Spirit who can untwist it.

But, no, you have it wrong. For the words are not "foolishness" (1 Corinthians 1:18) or "clanging cymbals" (1 Corinthians 13:1), words not spoken in "their own language" (Acts 2:6) "as you suppose" (Acts 2:15), but "are spirit" (John 6:63), and only for those who hear His voice. Which is my "credibility."

 

[Cooper]

devide these

matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!

Faith is vital for salvation, everything else you posted is about living the Christian life after we have been saved by the blood of the Lamb, and not by our own efforts.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

It is God who "twisted" ("confused" Genesis 11:7) all language including all scripture, and only the Spirit that can untwist it.

But, no, you have it wrong. For the words are not "foolishness" (1 Corinthians 1:18) or "clanging cymbals" (1 Corinthians 13:1), words not spoken in "their own language" (Acts 2:6) "as you suppose" (Acts 2:15), but "are spirit" (John 6:63), and only for those who hear His voice. Which is my "credibility."

Do you believe in a pre-trib rapture, or do you believe in what the Word actually says, that there will be those who are alive and remain through the Great Tribulation to the coming of the Lord?

You even twist 1 Corinthians 2:9-16. Yes, it can only be understood clearly by the Spirit, but God is not one of confusion. He didn't write His word to be twisted into something ENTIRELY unrecognizable and have His word say something different than HIS context.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Faith is vital for salvation, everything else you posted is about living the Christian life after we have been saved by the blood of the Lamb, and not by our own efforts.

What some do not recognize is that there are two kinds of faith regarding Jesus.

The faith in Jesus doesn't end in freedom from sin.
The faith of Jesus in you DOES give us complete freedom from sin.

Those who keep sinning but call themselves Christians are not safe from hell. Satan doesn't care if you believe IN Jesus, as long as you keep sinning. Then you are his. Romans 6:15-16.

 

[Keiw]

Yes, they can say "the truth" that sets us free. You need to learn what God and the apostles are actually saying. You are believing like millions of people do, that 1 John 1:8 and 10 are about Christians. But it is not about a Christian, but one BEFORE accepting Christ that needs to do the next verse which is the context. You've been taught that everybody sins, and Jesus has no power to change you. That is a doctrine of demons to undermine the power of Jesus. 1 John 3:5 "Jesus was manifest to TAKE AWAY SIN, and in Him there is no sin."

None would have to die and pay their wage of sin if your thinking was true. Yet all die-The apostles were killed, the followers were killed, every human since then that arent here anymore have died and paid their wages of sin.

 

[theefaith]

No where in the bible does it say that.

matt 28:19

 

[theefaith]

Is Christ eternal?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Every verse in the Bible that was inspired by God has one meaning to everyone, and that one meaning is known to everyone who has the Spirit of God living in them. The ONLY exception is a personal rhema which God speaks to you alone and He can use His words in part of a verse to say something to you. But it is only to you - not the one true interpretation of His word. Personal rhemas are NOT applicable to everyone. People who twist the general meaning of Scripture are false teachers and corrupters of God's Word. They need to repent and become useful to God as His servant.

 

[theefaith]

Faith is vital for salvation, everything else you posted is about living the Christian life after we have been saved by the blood of the Lamb, and not by our own efforts.

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

 

[1stCenturyLady]

None would have to die and pay their wage of sin if your thinking was true. Yet all die-The apostles were killed, the followers were killed, every human since then that arent here anymore have died and paid their wages of sin.

Listen carefully and learn the truth.

All that needs to DIE in us is our fallen nature. But the body doesn't have to die in order for that to happen. What is born again in us is our nature called the old man. When we repent to Jesus and He gives us His Spirit to live through us, that is when Jesus takes our old nature and nails it to His own cross. That is what is called being crucified with Christ. Then we are also raised in His own resurrection when He creates in us a new nature which is perfect and doesn't bear the stain of sin on it. It is full of the grace of God - His divine power.

Romans 6:6-13
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

Our body which is just a shell that is decaying will someday also die because of Adam's sin, but it will also be resurrected and changed into an immortal body, just as our nature - our spirit and soul also was already reborn. If a person's nature is not born again in Jesus then the old body will not be changed.

 

[marks]

Nothing compared to the capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 that does not belong there. It has mislead billions.

How many true gods are there? I'm curious.

Much love!

 

[theefaith]

No where in the bible does it say that.

Virtues are a supernatural help from God!

Theological Virtues: Faith, Hope, & charity!

Faith:

Faith is an intellectual assent to a truth revealed by Christ and proposed by His holy church for our belief!

“Faith is the virtue by which we firmly believe all the truths God has revealed, on the word of God revealing them, who can neither deceive nor be deceived. (John 20:29)”

Act of Faith
O my God, I firmly believe that Thou art one God in three Divine Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I believe that Thy Divine Son became man and died for our sins, and that He will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe these and all the truths which the Holy Catholic Church teaches, because Thou hast revealed them, Who canst neither deceive nor be deceived. Amen.

 

[theefaith]

How many true gods are there? I'm curious.

Much love!

one true God one true Lord


Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)

Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

 

[Keiw]

matt 28:19

It doesnt say what you said. The son comes in the name of his Father, The holy spirit is sent in the name of the Father.

 

[Keiw]

Listen carefully and learn the truth.

All that needs to DIE in us is our fallen nature. But the body doesn't have to die in order for that to happen. What is born again in us is our nature called the old man. When we repent to Jesus and He gives us His Spirit to live through us, that is when Jesus takes our old nature and nails it to His own cross. That is what is called being crucified with Christ. Then we are also raised in His own resurrection when He creates in us a new nature which is perfect and doesn't bear the stain of sin on it. It is full of the grace of God - His divine power.

Romans 6:6-13
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

Our body which is just a shell that is decaying will someday also die because of Adam's sin, but it will also be resurrected and changed into an immortal body, just as our nature - our spirit and soul also was already reborn. If a person's nature is not born again in Jesus then the old body will not be changed.

All thought stops on the day of ones death. It wouldnt matter where one is.

 

[Keiw]

How many true gods are there? I'm curious.

Much love!

Just 1 the Father=God capitol G-- small g god = has godlike qualities those are not God.