As I said "blood washes sin" is figurative language. Figurative in that, blood does not literally wash away sins.
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LOL- yes what you said is Clear...but not Scriptural.
Heb 9:
[14] ...the blood of Christ...purge your conscience...
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As I said "blood washes sin" is figurative language. Figurative in that, blood does not literally wash away sins.
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I know. I always like to see how they try to squirm out of each verse.BOL ...
There are Umpteen Scriptures of men exercising their own will of REJECTING God and Jesus.
JunChosen is hanging on his own limited understanding.
Glory to God,
Taken
I know. I always like to see how they try to squirm out of each verse.
It makes it easier to for future dialog with other Calvinists.
WRONG.The term "all men" in 1 Timothy 2:4 can only refer to all believers. If it denotes each and every man, then rightly so, no one can be put to hell.
To God Be The Glory
I'm talking about the 5 Points of Calvinism (T.U.L.I.P.):I wouldn't know about that. I don't know what defines a Calvinist.
Glory to God,
Taken
Read it. What's your point?
Genesis 6:5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
That's mankind according to God.
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
That is God's judgement for mankind.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
But God did not put an mankind to extinction, which He could have. In giving grace to Noah and 7 of his family, God was saving mankind, that is the kind of Adam.
So, as I said "God's will, purpose, pleasure, and glory, is to save mankind." Not that God will save every individual man, but mankind, the creature kind, that is the kind of Adam.
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"You have NOT chosen me but I have chosen you."
That doesn't mean that every individual accepts being chosen.
According to you Calvinists - God essentially rapes you because he forces His love on you. The God of Scripture doesn't force His love on anybody because He doesn't HAVE to. He's not the desperate little god of Calvinism.
He wills the salvation of ALL people (1 Tim. 2-3) but He leaves it up to US if we want to remain in Him. That's what the Parable of the Prodigal Son is ALL about.
We can't forget about Calvin because he is the INVENTOR of your doctrines.They can't anyway because they are not capable to accept or to reject as they are spiritually dead.
FORGET ABOUT CALVIN HE IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF OUR DIALOGUE!! If you want to discuss Calvin first look into the teachings of your church!
Then we can reason together about Calvin and the teachings of your church in another thread.
Again, if God wills that all man be saved as you claim above (1 Timothy 2:3) then no one can be put to hell, unless if we remain in him BTW, the phrase "if we remain in Him" is never taught in Scripture. People go to hell because they are sinners!
You don't even know the meaning of the Parable of the Prodigal Son. How can you even defend/discuss the things of God? Just as Jesus said: "Know ye not the parable? and how then will you know ALL parables? Mark 4:13.
The Parable of the Prodigal Son is set forth in Matthew 18:12-13 which reads:
12) "How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13) And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray."
To God Be The Glory
WRONG.
Here's another one . . .
John 17:20-22
“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, THAT THEY MAY ALL BE ONE, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jesus, who is GOD willed that His Church remain ONE - as He and the Father are ONE.
There are literally tens of thousands of different Christian denominations that teach different doctrines.
Yet another proof of our FREE WILL . . .
We can't forget about Calvin because he is the INVENTOR of your doctrines.
. Just because the phrase is not explicitly in Scripture does NOT mean that the TEACHING is not there. ALL of the following passages are about OUR CHOOSING to REMAIN in Him:
Who are the "these only?"
A ridiculous response to the Biblical and historical proof that the will of God has been dashed by man.No objection there.
However, I would rather be in a literally ten thousands of denomination where the Gospel is still being taught and the possibility of becoming saved is greater than a one denomination church that teaches a different salvation than that of Scripture and the hope of becoming saved is nil...Nada!
Yup.What proof? What scriptures did you present "comparing scripture with scripture?"
You are firing a gun which is empty without bullets. Do you understand what this means?
To God Be The Glory
I already addressed post #1260.Don't forget Post #1260.
To God Be The Glory
Soooooo, THIS is you response to my charge that John Calvin invented your doctrines?Are you claiming that the CC is the only entity that can interpret Scripture? That no one else is capable? In fact, that's what I heard I have news for you, we all feet of clay.
Just to let you know, God hates the proud!
To God Be The Glory
Everyone should know what defines a Calvinist. TULIP is *another gospel*.I don't know what defines a Calvinist.
Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?LOL- yes what you said is Clear...but not Scriptural.
Heb 9:
[14] ...the blood of Christ...purge your conscience...
You really don't seem to get it. God's will, purpose, pleasure, and glory is to save mankind. Mankind, to mean the creature (man) "kind", the kind of Adam, and not mankind to mean all man. So that, even while He was so unpleased with man, fallen as they all are, whose every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually, God did not killed them all to the extinction of mankind.So you are trying to Teach...in a round about WAY...
Gods will is to Save Mankind...
But all of mankind will Not be Saved?
Everyone should know what defines a Calvinist. TULIP is *another gospel*.
Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Literal blood does not there literally does what is said it does as to sanctify for the purifying of the flesh with regards that of animals, nor does it literally cleanse one's conscience from dead works with regards that of Christ. The blood there is figurative language to refer to the "life".
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