Salvation Through Baptism ???

[Mr C]

You quoted John 3:18 and took your stand, but you have not finished reading it...

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(If I study hard for a test, I should pass).

Let's continue...

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
John 4:3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.


You believe in the Lord, you SHOULD not die unsaved, but you must OBEY the salvation plan (which includes water baptism)...

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

God Bless!

Great Post!!!!

Thank You.

 

[Joseph77]

What about CONFESSING Jesus is the Son of God? (Rom. 10:9,10)

What about it. ? If you do not confess Jesus before men, He will not confess you before His Father in heaven ...

God's Word never confuses nor denies nor changes being immersed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Joseph77]

The Baptist Church was not established until the 1500s.

So ?
That does not mean there were no true Christians and true Christian groups since the first century - there were.
They just were not called Baptists until later.

 

[Marymog]

Not if he teaches baptismal regeneration/saved by water baptism/immersed or condemned. Who was primarily responsible for copying and preserving the writings of the church fathers and were their writings infallible?

Hmmmm.....so once again you like to use the writings of men when they agree with YOU but disregard them when they disagree with you. Fascinating....

Scripture teaches that The Church is infallible (pillar and foundation of truth) not any individual man.

Remember, it was fallible men that brought you the infallible bible.....Just sayin’

 

[Joseph77]

Jesus was not immersed in Baptism, therefore we are not to be immersed in water.

I guess you have a totally different Bible.... you go with that.

We believers and followers of Jesus will continue with Jesus, immersed as He was in the Bible, so also we His followers.

 

[Marymog]

Thank you! :)


The infallible truth in regards to salvation. What about you? Does the Roman Catholic church explain it for you?

Your welcome.

I find it interesting that you believe that you have discerned the infallible truth from Scripture on salvation. I wonder why God is only allowing you to be infallible on that doctrine and not others?

Yes, The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth, explains it for me. Neither you or I am the pillar.

 

[Marymog]

Not if he teaches baptismal regeneration/saved by water baptism/immersed or condemned. Who was primarily responsible for copying and preserving the writings of the church fathers and were their writings infallible?

Hi mailmandan,

What I see going on with you is that you believe someone is right in their interpretation of Scripture if you agree with their interpretation of Scripture. If you disagree with them, they are wrong.

Only one of you can be twisting Scripture to their own destruction. How do you KNOW it’s not you?

Curious Mary

 

[Candidus]

I guess you have a totally different Bible.... you go with that.

We believers and followers of Jesus will continue with Jesus, immersed as He was in the Bible, so also we His followers.

My Bible does not say He was immersed, and I bet yours does not either!

 

[Joseph77]

My Bible does not say He was immersed, and I bet yours does not either!

You lost your bet.
Hopefully not your soul or something else more.
bye.

 

[JunChosen]

Then you should be careful enough to not involve them (devils/demons) who aren't included, even make them an example to make your point, in the matter of faith and salvation, making such cheap, false, and invalid argument which I quote here:

Scripture speaks of Satan and his demons. Who am I not to to give an example concerning them, or would you rather want me to ignore they do not exist?

False because devils/demons do not believe, as in have faith, in the Lord Jesus Christ. Besides, there is nothing that demons/devils could do for them to be saved. There simply is no grace of salvation for them.

You can try to think for another way to make your point.

But that's exactly my point and what Scripture declares that there's no incentive for them because belief for them is for naught! James 2:19

And why not? Scriptures clearly teach God saves through faith (Eph.2:8). Do you want me to stop teaching what scriptures teach? Do you want me instead to teach what you teach? God or you? Without even thinking, I absolutely choose God.

Then I'll have to say you do not get the gist of Ephesians 2:8. You are making yourself as the king maker instead of the Lord. To understand Ephesians 2:8 you have to read it in light of verse 9. Faith is a gift.

Please express yourself or your point more clearly. For you already have asked me this and I have already addressed it.

To my recollection, I have not seen your response regarding this matter. If it's not too much a bother, would you kindly furnish in what Post number you have declared this?

To God Be The Glory

 

[Candidus]

You lost your bet.
Hopefully not your soul or something else more.
bye.

I certainly did not lose, for you have no proof.

What "translation" is the Bible you use?

BTW, you are going to hell if you do not use the one I like! (Nonsense!)

 

[JunChosen]

You lost your bet.
Hopefully not your soul or something else more.
bye.

I did not mean to give a like. Pressed the wrong button.

 

[Joseph77]

I did mean to. No worries.

 

[JunChosen]

I certainly did not lose, for you have no proof.

What "translation" is the Bible you use?

BTW, you are going to hell if you do not use the one I like! (Nonsense!)

I wonder if @Joseph 77 uses a Bible at all.

 

[BreadOfLife]

So faith alone mainly began with Martin Luther in the 1500's and prior to that, nobody taught faith alone you say? Here are some quotes of men teaching faith alone prior to the 1500's.

Basil: "This is the true and perfect glorying in God, when a man is not lifted up on account of his own righteousness, but has known himself to be wanting in true righteousness and to be justified by faith alone in Christ."

Jerome: "When an ungodly man is converted, God justified him through faith alone, not on account of good works which he possessed not."

Chrysostom: "Again, they said that he who adhered to faith alone was cursed, but he shows that he who adhered to faith alone, is blessed."

Bernard of Clairvaux: "Shall not all our righteousness turn out to be mere unrighteousness and deficiency? What, then, shall it be concerning our sins, when not even our righteousness can answer for itself? Wherefore...let us flee, with all humility to Mercy which alone can save our souls...whoever hungers and thirsts after righteousness, let him believe in thee, who "justified the ungodly"; and thus, being justified by faith alone, he shall have peace with God."

You need to understand that salvation through faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone does not mean that we are saved by an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone - "barren of works." (James 2:14-24) It means that we are saved the moment that we place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)

So much for following Luther, yet you still follow Campbell.

The difference here is that those Catholic men you quoted understood that "Faith" does not = "Belief".
They understood that Faith=Belief+Obedience/Surrender/Works.

Remember - James, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit stated that id ALL you do is believe - then you're NO better off than the DEMONS who also believe in the truths about God (James 2:19).

I don't support beliefs that promote transubstantiation or salvation by works, which contradict faith alone.

This is a common misrepresentation of what Catholics believe.
We have never taught that we are "saved" by our works.

Where did you hear this?

 

[BreadOfLife]

I guess you have a totally different Bible.... you go with that.

We believers and followers of Jesus will continue with Jesus, immersed as He was in the Bible, so also we His followers.

It's not "wrong" to believe He was immersed - but can you show me the verse that says He WAS immersed??
After all - aren't YOU a Sola Scripturist?

Thanks in advance . . .

 

[JunChosen]

I find it interesting that you believe that you have discerned the infallible truth from Scripture on salvation. I wonder why God is only allowing you to be infallible on that doctrine and not others?

Oh, I too and others like the born again believers, are the only ones that has been given to understand the meaning of salvation, for we have experienced it and have the "want to" to do the will of God!

Yes, The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth, explains it for me. Neither you or I am the pillar

And, there it is! The difference between the CC and born again believers!!! Jesus demands and clearly said and I quote: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me" John 14:6

Did you hear that? NOT THE CHURCH!!!

To God Be The Glory

 

[Tong2020]

Hi tong,

Oh....I get it now. Those that believe “baptism now saves you” (1 Peter 3:21) and washes away your sin (Acts 22:16, 2:38) have been using “human discernment” for 2,000 years. But those that believe baptism doesn’t save you and doesn’t wash away your sin (not in the Bible) had “spiritual discernment”!!!

You win!!! I am converted!! I now believe what is not written in the Bible and have I joined your side.

Those stupid men like @BreadOfLife @Illuminator @Mr C and Justin Martyr and the eunuch that Philip baptized have fulfilled 2 Peter 3:16 They are using human discernment and understanding instead of spiritual discernment.

Thru Spiritual discernment I have decided not to obey the teachings of Christ and the Apostles and have decided baptism is NOT necessary And I will NOT baptize anyone (Matthew 28:19) because obeying the teachings of Christ and the Apostles is NOT necessary and never saved anyone.

Sorry my fellow “baptism now saves you” friends on this forum. I am now a follower of the 500 year teaching of men instead of the 2,000 year teaching of The Church. After all, according to my new spiritual teacher Tong, nothing changed after the Cross!! I was stupid to think it had.

Mary

Why such language? Have I offended you or caused you harm in any way? No need for such sarcasm and Ad hominem. That does not at all refute what I said in my post. Defend and argue for what you believe if you must, but do so properly and politely and with kind words, and for the glory of God.

1 Corinthians 10:31
Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 ¶ The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

The good conscience comes from doing as commanded in (Acts 8:5,12,13,26-40) and (Mark 16:16).

My questions for you were:

So, perhaps then you can tell us, Noah was saved from what?

Tell us, how had water saved Noah?

It seems to me you can't answer those simple questions or perhaps don't want to.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
And? Tell us, how can you know that your sins are forgiven?

(Acts 2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ;16:30-34 ; 22:16) (1Peter 3:20,21)

(Rom.6:3-18)

16. Decide who to serve.
17. OBEY a certain doctrine (Rom. 6:3-6) (Gal,3:27)
18. BEING THEN FREED FROM SINS, ye became servants of righteousness (Christians)

Answer to the question: By/Through Faith.

Tong
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