SATAN, NOT BOUND YET

[WPM]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST: (I do not recognize Spiritual Israelite as a brother in Christ, just so others know).

The actual... context of 2 Peter 3:7-12 is about God's future destruction of this present world by His "consuming fire", and Peter injects a bit of information pointing to Christ's future "thousand years" reign after that "consuming fire" destruction in verses 8 & 9. So when covering the subject of those 2 Peter 3:8-9 verses, those other 7, 10, 11 & 12 verses must be considered along with that. And the order of the subject is...

2 Peter 3:7 - this present world is reserved unto destruction by fire.

verse 8 - but don't be ignorant that to God a 'day' is like a "thousand years".
verse 9 - for God is longsuffering, not wanting that any should perish.
(Those 8 & 9 verses is Peter doing a parenthetical description of Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign which is part of this present world time after His future return.)

verses 10-12 - Peter then picks up the subject from verse 7 about God's "consuming fire" burning man's works off the earth.

What the Biblically illiterate, like Spiritual Israelite, refuses to understand per Bible Scripture as written, is that coming "consuming fire" event on the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns, will NOT begin God's future Kingdom of the New Heavens and a New Earth, not yet. It will only destroy man's works off the surface of this earth, and those armies that try to come up against His people on the last day of this present world age. Christ's "thousand years" literal reign of Revelation 20 is part of this present world time, but for AFTER Christ's future return.

How do we know then, just when... God's new heavens and a new earth time comes?

Easy, ALL... the wicked that reject Him and His Son, and the abode of hell, and Satan, and even the concept of death, MUST all be destroyed into the "lake of fire" after God's Great White Throne Judgement that happens after Christ's "thousand years" reign (as written in Rev.20). Only then... will God's future Eternity of the new heavens and a new earth happen.

So here is an easy way to KNOW... that God's future new heavens and a new earth has not happened yet. IF... the wicked are not all cast into the "lake of fire", and Satan is not cast into the "lake of fire" yet, and death is not cast into that "lake of fire" yet, then we are still in this present world age.

Now the Amill folks believe all that will happen on the day of Christ's future return, but that is not written simply because Jesus gave the Rev.20 detail. They will try and use Scripture given PRIOR to Christ's Revelation about the wicked being destroyed, but don't fall into that trap, because Lord Jesus UPDATED those things with His Witness in His Book of Revelation, giving us more details.

Your hatred toward Amils is palpable. God have mercy upon you.

And, significantly, do you know answer to the arguments a present. No wonder you are full of bitterness and frustration.

 

[WPM]

When someone moves so far away from Bible Scripture as written, then there is no choice but to think of that person as a 'reprobate' away from Christ. And it's the reprobates that need to REPENT to Christ, not those who keep God's Word.

Are you God? So, if someone disagrees with you then they aren't reprobate? You don't get it do you?

 

[Douggg]

Just like with Job, Satan today is STILL in the heavenly dimension able to accuse us before God's throne. He is still free to move up and down in the earth within that heavenly dimension, like Peter showed in 1 Peter 5:8, seeking whom he may devour.

I don't think Satan is able to freely roam in the third heaven. But if God summons him to appear before God, then Satan in that limited condition, can do so, but only if God summons him.

Back long ago when Satan and a third of the angels rebelled against God, they were kicked out of the third heaven. Currently, Satan and his angels occupy the second heaven, i.e. the cosmos, and earth and its atmosphere.

In Revelation 12:7-9, the war that will take place in heaven (the second heaven of the cosmos), Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth - as God begins dismantling Satan's mystical kingdom called "Babylon the great".

In Ezekiel 28:16-19, the casting down of Satan to earth is prophesied. When Satan is cast down to earth, God is going to expose him to kings of the earth. And bring a fire up in Satan's midst, bringing to ashes, to expose him.

How is that going to happen ? It will be at Jesus's return. Satan will be indwelling the statue image of the beast king, that will be on the temple mount. Jesus is going to cause that image to go up in flames and turned ashes. Exposing Satan there on the temple mount - for all to see that day.

To everyone who had worshiped the statue image, they are going to be shocked when they discover that they had actually been worshiping Satan by doing so. Verse 19.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

 

[WPM]

Unlike you, I don't base whether someone is in Christ on whether they agree with my end times doctrine or not. So, I would never stoop to your level and claim that you are not in Christ just because you disagree with my understanding of Revelation 20.


Any objective person can see the true context of 2 Peter 3, as I indicated in my previous post. They can also see that you try to change the context to fit your doctrine.

This guy has lost it! These charges are totally out of order.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I think in 2Peter3:8- 9, Peter was responding to scoffers in verse 3, who were saying in verse 4...

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

I think the most important part of 2Peter:3:8-9 is....

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

It may seem like a long time, but the Lord has a reason for it - not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Right. I agree. Did you think I was saying otherwise?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This guy has lost it! These charges are totally out of order.

He lost it long ago already. And he's not the only one who acts as if someone's end times doctrine is a determining factor in one's salvation. For some reason forums like this attract weirdos who have no sense of reality.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I agree! Something has changed since COVID-19. There is a dark oppression that has come in close on the people of God that has never been there before. The devil is taking liberties at the moment. It seems like the pit has been opened and demons have been released left, right and center. But his time is short.

I sense that as well. We're not just imagining this. There seems to be very little restraint against wickedness at this point.