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Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by Groundzero, Aug 7, 2011.

  1. jiggyfly

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    Jesus said that the truth was not in satan.
     
  2. Buzzfruit

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    Satan is like a lion....seeking somthing to devour.


    1 Peter 5:8 (GW)
    [sup]8 [/sup]Keep your mind clear, and be alert. Your opponent the devil is prowling around like a roaring lion as he looks for someone to devour.



    Satan is the god of this world.

    2 Corinthians 4:4 (ASV)
    [sup]4 [/sup]in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them.



    He is the deceiver of the whole world.

    Revelation 12:9 (Darby)
    [sup]9 [/sup]And the great dragon was cast out, the ancient serpent, he who is called Devil and Satan, he who deceives the whole habitable world, he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.



    But Satan only have power over you if you allow him to.

    James 4:7 (ASV)
    [sup]7 [/sup]Be subject therefore unto God; but resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
     
  3. Buzzfruit

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    I did not say the truth was in Satan. I said he tells the truth at times when it is in his favor. Are you aware that the Jesus said that Satan's thrown is on the Earth?
     
  4. jiggyfly

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    What does that have to do with telling the truth?
     
  5. rjp34652@yahoo.com

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    You are quite correct.
    The throne of Satan is located in the city of Pergamum (or Pergamon), Turkey (Rev 2:12-13)


    and to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: These things saith he that hath the sharp two-edged sword:I know where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s throne is; and thou holdest fast my name, and didst not deny my faith, even in the days of Antipas my witness, my faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwelleth.
    Rev 2:12-13

    This is why interpretations of Rome as the seat of the anti-Christ will fail. This is why they are wrong. Those who believe such things do not read the Bible.

    According to this passage, Turkey NOT ROME will play a major role in end times events.

    Also refer to history. In 465AD, the city of Rome fell. It was not, however, the end of the Roman Empire. Nearly a century prior to that Emperor Constantine moved the capital to the city of Byzantium renaming it Constantinople in the process. The empire was thus divided in half mostly because of economic and military issues. The west had become too difficult to maintain and all the prosperous trade routes were in the east. Rome fell, but Constantinople and the eastern Roman Empire continued until it was consumed by the Muslim horde under the Ottomans during the Crusades. The Roman/Byzantine Empire thus became the Ottoman Empire, which continued until 1927. At that time the modern nation of Turkey was born on the same ground. The city of Constantinople by then had been renamed Istanbul.

    To this day, there are many Islamic factions wishing, praying and working for a renewed Ottoman Empire, a new caliphate. Referred to as the twelfth caliphate, those who work for it and wish for it are called Twelvers. Among those who do so are the leadership of IRAN and certain active groups in Turkey. A year ago, an attempted coup d'etat was attempted in Turkey by a group of journalists and generals of the Turkish army.

    The Bible seems to indicate that a revived Roman Empire will be front and center in end time scenarios against the land of Israel. The center of that empire is not ancient Rome, but ancient Pergamum THE SEAT OF THE EVIL ONE and its agent on earth called the anti-Christ.

    Read the Bible

    and WATCH TURKEY

    Current news is full of western attempts to execute economic sanctions against Iran because of their nuclear development. All nations have been pressured to NOT buy Iranian oil, EXCEPT TURKEY!

    Prior to WWII, Adolph Hitler caused a facsimile of the Temple of Pergamon to be built in Berlin. It still stands today. Guess which nation has been providing the major assistance to Iran for their nuclear development?
    If you guess Germany, you guess right.

    In addition to reading the Bible, I suggest the studious reader should set up links to English versions of Turkish news and German news directly. Do not rely on censored American news sources.
    If you do this, you will glean much of interest about political activities there which are not revealed from NBC, CNN or FOX news.

    WATCH TURKEY
     
  6. Buzzfruit

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    The question has bearing on where Satan lives and if the kingdoms of this world was given to him or not.

    Correct.....it says in the Bible its deadly wound will be healed and the world will marvel......they will be so surprised to see the revival of the Roman Empire. It’s the only Empire that will get another chance to rule and dominate the world but it will be by far a worse Empire than it was when it first came one the world stage.
     
  7. jiggyfly

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    I didn't ask you a question. You said,"Satan does not always lie........he tells the truth when it is in his favor to do so".

    I answered with Jesus said the truth was not in satan.

     
  8. Buzzfruit

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    Ok! So when Satan said this in reference to Job was he telling the truth or not?

    Job 1:10 (ESV)
    [sup]10 [/sup]Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.
     
  9. jiggyfly

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    OK! Lets look at the whole context of what satan said.
    8 Then the Lord asked Satan, “Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth. He is blameless—a man of complete integrity. He fears God and stays away from evil.”9 Satan replied to the Lord, “Yes, but Job has good reason to fear God.10 You have always put a wall of protection around him and his home and his property. You have made him prosper in everything he does. Look how rich he is!11 But reach out and take away everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face!”
    Job 1:8-11 (NLT)

    Did Job curse God to His face? If it's not true then it must be a lie, right?
     
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    My goodness, this is the truth!

    So many dear people sit on their laurels and forget about applying the very first command of this verse:


    1 Peter 5:8 (NLT)


    [sup]8[/sup] Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.
     
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    I post a scripture that quoted Satan and I asked you if it was true or not but you turn around and ask me a question. So here's my response.... when you answer my question then I will answer to yours.
     
  12. jiggyfly

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    Your quote was inaccurate, I just posted all of what was said by satan which shows that he was lying. It's always a good Idea to avoid taking things out of their context to prevent any misunderstanding.

    Actually my question has already been answered. The answer to your question is no it is not all that satan said, you only quoted part of the conversation trying to justify your opinion that satan sometimes tells the truth.
     
  13. Buzzfruit

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    I said that Satan does tell the truth but only when it was to his advantage and I showed you something that Satan said to God that was true. I never said that everything that he says is the truth......but Satan does say some things that are true and Job 1:10 is the truth. God did protect Job and put a hedge around him. But you want to deny that that statement Satan made is true. So I guess what these are also a lies?


    Was Satan lying in this verse?


    Job 1:7 (ASV)
    [sup]7 [/sup]And Jehovah said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered Jehovah, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.



    Were the demons lying here as well?


    Mark 1:23-24 (ASV)
    [sup]23 [/sup]And straightway there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out,
    [sup]24 [/sup]saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus thou Nazarene? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
     
  14. jiggyfly

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    I'll stand by my earlier post and just bow out. Packing for a trip anyway.
     
  15. Buzzfruit

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    I understand why. Have a nice trip.
     
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    What Satan?

    This is taken from Sheldon Emry memorial library
    http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/


    That Old Serpent Called the Devil and Satan

    There is a passage in the 12th chapter of
    Revelation, which has for centuries been used as
    the foundation stone for what one might call
    Devil Theology. I will begin by reading part of
    it, and then we will look at more of it later, and
    study the entire passage. The most often quoted
    verses are:
    “And there was war in heaven: Michael and
    his angels fought against the dragon, and the
    dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed
    not, neither was their place found any more in
    heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that
    old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which
    deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into
    the earth, and his angels were cast out with
    him.”
    Revelation 12:7-9
    Most of you are familiar with the common
    doctrine on the origin and the place of ‘satan’ as
    taught by the churches. They sometimes call him
    the ‘devil’ and so on; but I’ll condense church
    teaching on ‘satan’ and the ‘devil’ rather briefly
    here:
    There, in about four paragraphs, I have
    preached almost every sermon being preached in
    Baptist churches this week. Some of you have
    been in Baptist churches, and you know that
    about half of the sermons in Baptist churches are
    about “the devil will get you if you don’t watch
    out, so do what the minister says.”
    Such sermons are not totally confined to
    what is called ‘Mainstream Protestantism,’ nor
    to ‘Catholicism.’ I have here the January 1980
    PLAIN TRUTH magazine printed by Herbert W.
    THAT OLD SERPENT
    CALLED THE DEVIL AND SATAN
    of Revelation 12
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    The devil is a spirit creature with awesome
    power on the earth to do evil, or
    cause men to do evil. He was once the
    chief angel in God's heaven, but rebelled
    against God and actually warred against
    God; and had one-third of the angels on
    his side. So, in the war they eventually
    lost, or at least lost after a fashion. God,
    with the help of Michael and his angels,
    cast the devil and his angels down to the
    earth where they now roam about, doing
    their nefarious works.
    Common teaching is that the 'devil' is so
    evil he is almost indescribable. However,
    the Catholic priests and the Christian
    ministers are continually resisting him,
    and preaching against him, and fighting
    against him. And apparently, if it were
    not for them, the 'devil' would have taken
    over and perhaps destroyed the earth
    already.
    Some teach that this powerful 'spirit
    creature' will eventually be destroyed,
    and they quote Revelation 20: 10 for
    that. Some teach, as do the Catholics,
    that this wicked 'spirit-being' and his
    angels, whom they call 'devils' or
    'demons,' will live forever in a burning
    hell, poking redhot irons and pitch-forks
    into those who did not do what the
    priests or the ministers said they should.
    The Catholics generally say that all
    protestants are going to be down there
    with the devil. Baptists think that all
    non-Baptists are going to be there; and
    many individual churches or denominations
    teach that everyone but their own
    group is going to be down there, in that
    'hell,' with the 'devil' at his pleasure for
    ages upon end.
    Armstrong. Most of you know about the World
    Wide Church of God. This is from the article
    entitled “Personal from H.W.A.” The article purports
    to answer this question:
    Needless to say, Armstrong’s final conclusion
    is that, it is because all the churches except
    Armstrong’s are preaching false doctrine. But I
    want to quote from the article as he explains part
    of the reason, for what he calls “the error of the
    churches,” and he says it is caused by the ‘devil.’
    So I will quote just those parts where he talks
    about the ‘devil.’ He says:
    That is from Revelation 20. Armstrong goes on:
    There is a whole column about this same
    ‘devil,’ deceiving the churches in the world, and
    he asks how it could have all started. At the bottom
    of the page he says:
    “It all started with Adam in the garden of
    Eden.”
    A little further on:
    And still further on:
    “Satan tempted Adam through his wife, Eve;
    Adam took of the forbidden tree.”
    I quoted all of that to show that although
    Armstrong does not teach there is a burning hell
    — where people are tortured for years — he
    does teach the same doctrine on the origin of,
    and work of ‘satan,’ that the mainstream churches
    do. I have read Armstrong’s articles, and I
    agree with his teachings on ‘hell.’ However, I did
    not know until about two years ago (1978) that
    Armstrong is a little schizophrenic when it
    comes to his people being in fire.
    He teaches publicly that people do not go to
    ‘hell’ to be tortured when they die, but once you
    2
    “What is the most universal erroneous
    and false belief and teaching that has
    caused the world's evils, troubles, sufferings
    and sorrows?”
    “Perhaps many people do not believe in
    the existence of a devil anymore. Yet
    your Bible says the whole world, including
    it’s religions, has been deceived by
    Satan the Devil.” (then he quotes
    Revelation 12:9), ‘The inhabitants of the
    earth have been deceived by him through
    deceived religion.’ (Revelation 17:2).
    But your Bible also says, ‘The time is
    coming when God Almighty shall send
    an angel from heaven and lay hold on the
    dragon, that old serpent, which is the
    Devil and Satan. And bind him a thousand
    years and cast him into the bottomless
    pit and shut him up and set a seal
    upon him that he should deceive the
    nations no more till the thousand years
    shall be fulfilled.’”
    “Just who is this Satan, where did he
    come from? Did God create a devil to
    deceive us? He is aformer archangel who
    was perfect in all his ways, as God created
    him, (Ezekiel 28:15). But he had a
    mind and free moral agency with the
    right of free choice forming his own
    decisions. Just as God has given you and
    me and all humans that same free moral
    agency. Otherwise, we could have no
    character. This great arch-angel was
    named Lucifer, and God set him on the
    throne of the whole world, to administer
    the government of God over angels
    which inhabited the earth prior to the
    creation of man. But this powerful
    Lucifer turned his angels into rebelling
    against God.”
    “Satan was just around the corner, so to
    speak, waiting for a chance to tempt
    Adam into rejecting God, even as he
    himself had rejected God, God’s Law,
    God’s way and God’s government when
    he was the arch-angel Lucifer.”
    join his church, you are taught, over and over
    again, that if you reject Armstrong’s teachings
    and leave, or are kicked out of the Armstrong
    church, then you will be sent to the ‘lake of fire’
    for ‘eternity.’ So it seems he has a ‘special hell’
    for people who do not obey him. Just as the
    Catholic church has a ‘hell’ for the people who
    do not obey their priests.
    So, in spite of his public announcements, he
    frightens people into obeying him by his own
    private ‘hell.’ And I do know, as I have had ex-
    Armstrong members, especially women, tell me
    that they were in Armstrong’s church, and literally
    lived in fear for years; afraid they might do
    something to offend Armstrong or one of the
    ministers, and be kicked out of the church and
    then be cast into the ‘lake of fire.’ They were
    afraid of it, and he built on that fear.
    That’s about it for the general teaching about
    ‘satan.’ As you can see, the different denominations
    have some variances, but they all agree on
    one thing: ‘the devil never deceives me, but he
    certainly has deceived a lot of you people out
    there!’ The doctrine they all agree on, and generally
    speaking they are almost all in agreement, is
    that the ‘devil’ was God’s chief angel - a powerful
    ‘spirit-creature.’ He rebelled against God,
    and God cast him down to the earth. Most of
    their doctrine is based on the three verses we
    looked at earlier.
    In the last few months (1980) some sermons
    have been preached by ministers who generally
    teach what we call the Identity Message. These
    sermons, both in printed form and on tape, have
    rebuked me (Pastor Emry) for my teaching about
    ‘satan’ and Eve in the garden of Eden. I do not
    agree that ‘satan’ or any creature seduced Eve in
    the garden of Eden and produced children. They
    teach that ‘satan’ seduced Eve and produced
    Cain. We call it the “Seed-line Doctrine.” I
    OPPOSE that teaching! The Mormon Church
    and the Jewish Talmud also teaches it. And their
    description of ‘satan’ is identical to Armstrong’s,
    and to the churches’.
    Bear with me if this seems a little tedious and
    a little long. I’m going to quote one verse from
    Revelation 1, and this one verse alone, if it is
    true (and if we believe the Word of God, and that
    God is not a liar), is enough to prove the following:
    1. The war in heaven of Revelation 12
    already took place, not milleniums ago, but after
    John saw the vision.
    2. The casting out, of whatever this creature
    was, from heaven to earth, therefore took place
    after 96 AD, sometime after the vision was seen.
    If the ‘devil’ or ‘satan’ of Revelation 12 is all
    that the Catholic church, and the Protestant
    denominations, and Armstrong, and some
    Identity preachers say he is, he would not have
    fallen to the earth prior to Adam and Eve being
    in the Garden of Eden.
    “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God
    gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things
    which must shortly come to pass; and he signified
    it by his angel unto his servant John.”
    Revelation 1: 1
    Did you read that phrase? “Things which
    must shortly come to pass.” It didn’t say, “I’m
    going to show you things which have already
    happened.” These are things yet future according
    to what the angel said to John. Another witness
    is verse 3:
    “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear
    the words of this prophecy, and keep those
    things which are written therein: for the time is
    at hand.”
    Revelation 1 :3
    Same general theory, it’s in the future! The
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    “He was a great fallen angel, he was cast
    down to the earth, he deceived Adam
    and Eve in the garden of Eden, “ and so
    on.
    things you will read about are future. The signs
    or the visions which the angel showed John, and
    which were then written down by John, were of
    things which were yet future events in 96AD. Do
    you understand that? Do you read these verses
    the same way I do? Because this is a very, very
    important point when you study the book of
    Revelation. If you want a third witness, read
    Revelation 4, where after he has given the message
    to the churches we read this in verse 1:
    “After this I looked, and, behold, a door was
    opened in heaven: and the first voice which I
    heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with
    me which said, Come up hither, and I will shew
    thee things which must be hereafter.”
    Revelation 4: 1
    I know I’m repeating this, but every time you
    hear a minister preaching out of the book of
    Revelation, and he tells you that these things
    happened way back in milleniums past, like
    some creature falling out of heaven to the earth,
    you can call him a liar, and you can prove it with
    Revelation chapters 1 and 4.
    The visions in Revelation were to take place,
    or be fulfilled, after they were shown to John,
    according to these three witnesses. What does
    that do to the churches, and even Identity ministers
    who insist that the ‘devil’ or ‘satan’ of
    Revelation 12 is a ‘fallen angel’ who was cast
    out of heaven milleniums before John saw the
    vision? It makes them either fools or liars. Read
    the vision in Revelation 12 in more detail.
    “And there appeared a great wonder (and the
    margin in most Bibles will tell you the word
    ‘wonder’ could have been translated ‘sign’) in
    heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the
    moon under her feet, and upon her head a
    crown of twelve stars.”
    Revelation 12: 1
    Were these actual events taking place in
    God’s heaven, or were they visions that John
    saw which were symbolic of things that would
    happen? I really don’t think you could believe
    that John would be teaching this is a literal
    woman clothed with the sun, standing on the
    moon and wearing 12 stars on her head. It has to
    be symbolic of something else. He is not seeing
    the actual thing, he is seeing it in symbolism.
    John was on the isle of Patmos, and in
    Revelation 4:2, he said he was ‘in the spirit’
    when he saw these things. My understanding of
    this, is that when John says “I saw something in
    heaven,” he was looking up in the sky and he
    saw these events taking place. When he said,
    “there appeared a wonder in heaven,” it doesn’t
    necessarily mean that the woman was up in
    God’s heaven. John saw her up in the sky, and
    wrote it down as he saw it.
    “And she being with child cried, travailing in
    birth, and pained to be delivered. And there
    appeared another wonder (sign) in heaven; and
    behold a great red dragon, having seven heads
    and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his
    heads. And his tail drew the third part of the
    stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:
    And the dragon stood before the woman which
    was ready to be delivered, for to devour her
    child as soon as it was born. And she brought
    forth a man-child, who was to rule all nations
    with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up
    unto God and to his throne. And the woman
    fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place
    prepared of God, that they should feed her
    there a thousand two hundred and three-score
    days.”
    Revelation 12:2-6
    Then come the verses that say there was
    ‘war’ in ‘heaven.’ This is all part of a continuing
    vision, and John is writing it down as he sees it.
    Let us try to identify the participants here as best
    we can. The symbolism in the first verse, the
    “sun, moon and stars” leads us, of course, back
    to where Joseph dreamed a dream in Genesis,
    “And he dreamed yet another dream, and told
    it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have
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    dreamed a dream more; and, behold the sun
    and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance
    to me. And he told it to his father, and to
    his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and
    said unto him, What is this dream that thou
    hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy
    brethren indeed come to bow ourselves down to
    thee to the earth?”
    Genesis 37:9
    You can see in Joseph’s dream, as in John’s
    vision the “sun, moon and stars” signify the
    whole house of Israel. Therefore, this woman is
    also symbolic of the house of Israel, the identifying
    marks being the sun, moon and stars.
    There are events in Scripture where the sun and
    the moon will be darkened, and so on. I have
    identified them, in previous sermons, as being
    symbolic of the destruction of Israel, and the
    reducing of her power at the end of the age. It
    has nothing to do with the heavenly bodies of the
    sun, moon and stars. These are symbolic and, of
    course, 12 is always a symbol for Israel and for
    the twelve tribes.
    If this vision is actually in heaven, then in
    order to fulfil the vision, Israel would have to be
    in God’s heaven, would she not? But we know
    Israel is not in heaven. Israel is on the earth, has
    always been on the earth, and will remain on the
    earth. The heaven mentioned here is where John
    saw the vision, not where the woman was or will
    be. The war in heaven also does not have to be
    in God’s heaven.
    “And there was war in heaven: Michael and
    his angels fought against the dragon; and the
    dragon fought and his angels, (he was looking
    up at this vision in the skies) and prevailed not;
    neither was their place found any more in
    heaven. And the great dragon was cast out...”
    Revelation 12:7-9a
    Here is the identification used by the churches
    to say that this was ‘satan’:
    “...that old serpent called the Devil, and Satan,
    which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast
    out into the earth, and his angels were cast out
    with him.”
    Revelation 12:9b
    We passed over something already, which
    the Catholic priests always pass over, and the
    protestant ministers always pass over, and at
    least those Identity ministers who opposed me in
    my arguments about ‘satan’ also pass over, so
    let’s go back and read it,
    “And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
    and behold a great red dragon, having
    seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns
    upon his heads.”
    Revelation 12:3
    The Mother Eve of Judaism, of the Mormon
    church, and of the Seed line people - who teach
    that this ‘satan’ seduced her - must have been
    some sort of a pervert. Can you imagine her
    falling for some creature with seven heads and
    ten horns? This does NOT mean some creature,
    or man, or person literally. It obviously has some
    other meaning. This creature figuratively has
    seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns.
    Since we’ve already seen that the woman is
    not a woman, but is a great mass of people called
    Israel, then maybe the dragon isn’t a dragon, nor
    a devil, nor a satan, nor even a serpent, but
    something else! The Bible, of course, has the
    answer for us, and there are several other places
    in the Bible where there is a creature described
    very similarly to this creature, here called the
    Devil and Satan.
    “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw
    a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven
    heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten
    crowns; and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
    And the beast which I saw was like unto
    a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear
    and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the
    dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and
    great authority. And I saw one of his heads as
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    it were wounded to death: and his deadly
    wound was healed: and all the world wondered
    after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon
    which gave power unto the beast: and they
    worshipped the beast, saying, ‘Who is like unto
    the beast? Who is able to make war with him?’”
    Revelation 13: 1-4
    In this passage of Revelation 13, this beast is
    not identified. But it is identified in the book of
    Daniel, and we may look at that later. But we’ll
    stay in Revelation for now. The ‘satan’ theorists,
    or those who teach these devil doctrines, never
    call the creature of Revelation 13, a ‘great fallen
    angel,’ even though that creature has seven
    heads and ten horns, just like the Devil and’
    satan’ of Revelation 12. Of course, as I mentioned
    earlier, they never even read Revelation
    12:3, when they tell you the ‘devil’ of this chapter
    is a ‘fallen angel.’
    If you heard this devil had seven heads, you
    might question their interpretation. You certainly
    would question the devil or serpent of
    Revelation 12 having sexual intercourse with
    Eve, and fathering Cain; if at the same time they
    pointed out that this serpent had seven heads and
    ten horns. The next place we have the same kind
    of beast is in Revelation 17.
    “And there came one of the seven angels which
    had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying
    unto me, Come hither: I will shew unto thee the
    judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon
    many waters: (remember this is still John writing
    the descriptions of visions he saw, shown to
    him by an angel. In some cases the angel
    explained them as he did this one) with whom
    the kings of the earth have committed fornication,
    and the inhabitants of the earth have been
    made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
    So he carried me away in the spirit into the
    wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet
    coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy,
    having seven heads and ten horns.”
    Revelation 17:1-3
    Here is that same identical description as in
    Revelation 12 called that “old serpent, the devil
    and satan.” Let’s read on with this description,
    because if we were again to take this literally, as
    being what it is visually, then we would have to
    expect sometime in the future a scarlet woman
    here on the earth, riding some sort of scarlet co
    loured beast with seven heads and ten horns.
    Obviously it symbolizes something else; it’s not
    a literal beast. Just as the creature back in
    Revelation 12 does not have to be a literal
    ‘satan’ or a literal devil. John writes a little more
    about the woman and then continues,
    “And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst
    thou marvel? I will tell thee of the woman, and
    of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the
    seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou
    sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of
    the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and
    they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,
    whose names were not written in the book of
    Life from the foundation of the world, when
    they behold the beast that was, and is not, and
    yet is.”
    Revelation 17:7-8
    Remember those first verses in Revelation 1.
    These are still the visions John was shown by
    angels of things “which must shortly come to
    pass.” They were to happen sometime after John
    saw the vision.
    “And here is the mind that hath wisdom. The
    seven heads are seven mountains, on which the
    woman sitteth.”
    Revelation 17:9
    All students of Bible prophecy should know
    symbolism well enough, to know that the word
    ‘mountains’ in prophecy means nations or conglomerates
    of people. They are not physical
    mountains. The angel identifies who the woman
    is,
    “the woman which thou sawest is that great
    city, which reigneth over the kings of the
    earth.”
    Revelation 17:18
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    The woman is riding a beast with seven
    heads. The woman rules over the kings of the
    earth. Therefore what is the symbolism? The
    symbolism is some sort of a mystery power, here
    called MYSTERY BABYLON which rides, or
    gains its power through a conglomeration of
    nations. It is NOT ‘satan,’ it is NOT the ‘devil,’
    it is NOT some spiritual angel thrown down
    from heaven in past milleniums. It is a conglomeration
    of nations.
    “And there are seven kings: (in other words,
    each one of these nations has a king) five are
    fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet
    come,”
    Revelation 17: l0a
    John is seeing this at a time when something
    had already happened, one is ruling, another is
    coming, and,
    “... when he cometh, he must continue a short
    space. And the beast that was and is not, even
    he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth
    into perdition (destruction). And the ten horns
    which thou sawest are ten kings. which have
    received no kingdom as yet.”
    Revelation 17: 10b-12a
    These ten kings did not rule at the time that
    John saw the vision. They had received no kingdom
    as yet.
    “But receive power as kings one hour with the
    beast.”
    Revelation 17:12b
    Whatever this is, it will take place over a relatively
    short time. One hour in Bible prophecy
    would be quite short, because there are prophecies
    of 100 years and 1260 years, and so on.
    “These have one mind. and shall give their
    power and strength unto the beast. These shall
    make war with the Lamb. and the Lamb shall
    overcome them, for he is Lord of lords and
    King of kings: and they that are with him are
    called, and chosen, and faithful.”
    Revelation 17: 13-14
    So it shows here that there is going to be a
    war involving ten kings. Revelation 17 is the
    most simple explanation of what the beast with
    seven heads and ten horns is. The ten horns are
    ten kings. These kings give their power and
    strength unto the beast. They make war with the
    Lamb, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings.
    “And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the
    beast, these shall hate the whore, (hate this ruling
    entity that rules over the whole world) and
    shall make her desolate and naked, and shall
    eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.”
    Revelation 17:16
    The same ten kings, or ten nations, that give
    their power to the beast, shall destroy her,
    “For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his
    will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto
    the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”
    Revelation 17:17
    I went into this in detail a few years ago, that
    the USA has given more of its wealth and its
    power to build up the red beast of communism
    than any other nation.
    Russia as a military power today would not
    even exist, except for technical things given and
    sent to the Soviet Union over the last 50 years
    from the USA (Documented in NATIONAL
    SUICIDE by Anthony Sutton).
    In other words, all of their weaponry, all of
    their science, all of their computers, all of their
    factories were literally built by American technicians
    and productivity. So, if America is the
    nation that has given the power to the beast, the
    red beast of communism, where do the ten
    nations fit in?
    How many of you know that America was
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    divided into ten nations? It was divided into ten
    regions in about 1970. We now have ten governments
    ruling over ten seperate nations. All the
    government control and aid and money comes
    out of a central point, Washington D.C., and is
    distributed to each region.
    America is no longer fifty states, it is ten
    regions. I am not going to be dogmatic about
    this, but it was the United States being divided
    into ten regions, through which our enemies
    gained control of our government, have used our
    wealth, stolen our taxes, taken our grain and productivity
    and built up the red beast. America
    could be these ten kings, which receive power as
    kings one hour with the beast. One hour is a very
    short space of time. And remember, then those
    kings,
    “...shall hate the whore, and make her desolate,
    and naked and shall eat her flesh, and burn her
    with fire.”
    Revelation 1 7: 16b
    If I am correct in my theory that those ten
    horns are ten nations which are collectively the
    USA, then it will be the US which will destroy
    the power of the red beast of world communism
    that now rules the world. The prophet Obadiah
    saw visions concerning the destruction of Edom.
    “The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord
    God concerning Edom. (Edom means RED.
    Edom is world communism.) We have heard a
    rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is
    sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us
    rise up against her in battle.”
    Obadiah 1: 1
    This prophecy describes the destruction of
    Esau/Edom, which we can identify as this worldcontrolling
    power that now reigns over all the
    earth. And look who destroys Edom,
    “But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance...”
    Obadiah 1 :17a
    We’ve identified the USA as Zion in other sermons.
    “...and there shall be holiness; and the house of
    Jacob shall possess their possessions. And the
    house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of
    Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble...”
    Obadiah 1: 1 7b-18a
    And of course, Esau is Edom; Genesis 36
    repeats that four times.
    “And saviors shall come up on mount Zion to
    judge the mount of Esau;”
    Obadiah 1 :21 a
    In other words, saviors shall come upon the
    nation of Zion to judge the nation of Esau, or
    Edom, the Reds!
    “And the kingdom shall be the Lord’s.”
    Obadiah 1:21 b
    This is the description of the last battle to be
    fought upon the earth, when Jacobi Israel have
    been deceived into giving their power to this
    great red beast and this scarlet woman. Then
    we’ll turn on the woman and destroy her. This
    makes the only sense of this entire prophecy.
    The beast with seven heads and ten horns is
    something which gives power to the scarlet
    woman, and then it will turn back against her
    and destroy her.
    I’ll repeat the point I made earlier: if you
    take Revelation 12 as the Catholic church does,
    and as the Protestants do, and say: “Oh, this is
    that great arch-angel, and he fought in heaven
    and was brought down to the earth, and so on,”
    you then destroy all of this actual prophecy
    which is being given here. It is no wonder then
    that our people are blind to what is happening in
    the earth today, because prophecy in the Bible
    has been misrepresented to them.
    That doctrine of course, is so universally
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    taught, and has been taught over such a long
    period of time, that there are few who question
    it. I must admit, for the greater part of my life, I
    never questioned it either. I accepted all of these
    stories and descriptions of this ‘devil,’ since my
    parents and everyone else that I knew, believed
    it. I assumed it was the truth.
    Back in those days, everyone that I knew
    thought that the Jews were Israel, so I believed
    that too. Everyone I knew thought that non-
    Christians went to ‘hell-fire’ and were tortured
    for ever and ever by this same ‘devil,’ so I
    believed that also. Almost everyone that I knew
    thought Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the savior
    of America, and the only reason I didn’t
    believe that, was because my parents did not
    believe it. My father said that Franklin Roosevelt
    was a crook. So that is still a good example. We
    tend to believe what our parents believe, whether
    or not it is true.
    But believing it doesn’t make it true! We
    read Revelation 12:3, which is the verse the
    ‘devil’ preachers do not read, since it describes a
    strange ‘creature’ with seven heads. Whoever
    heard of a devil with seven heads? Well, that
    then took us to Revelation 17. The beast upon
    which the scarlet woman, MYSTERY BABYLON,
    rides has seven heads. These seven heads
    are identified as seven mountains or nations.
    And the ten horns as ten kings, or kingdoms. So
    the description in Revelation l2, and the symbolism
    in Revelation 12, is identical to that of
    Revelation 17.
    That old serpent called the ‘devil’ and ‘satan’
    is not a spirit creature, but a comglomerate of
    nations opposed to Christians and Christendom.
    I showed in my sermon series entitled Give The
    Devil His Due (7810, 7811, 7812, 7813), that the
    Hebrew word translated ‘satan’ in the Old
    Testament means simply ‘adversary’ or ‘enemy.’
    In fact it is translated ‘enemy’ in the Old
    Testament more times than it is transliterated
    into the word ‘satan.’
    So the scarlet woman and the red beast of
    Revelation 17 are certainly the ‘adversaries’ of
    Christianity because the woman is said to be
    “drunken with the blood of saints, and with the
    blood of the martyrs of Jesus. “ We’ll find that
    this Revelation 12 ‘satan’ is also the enemy of
    Christendom.
    Some may think I have boxed myself into a
    corner with my emphatic statement that the
    events of Revelation 12 were to come to pass
    after John saw the vision in AD96; because of
    what I read in Revelation 1 and 4. The woman
    gave birth to a man-child, and most people teach
    that the man-child is Jesus, who was born some
    90 odd years before John saw the vision.
    “And she being with child cried, travailing in
    birth, and pained to be delivered. And there
    appeared another wonder in heaven; and
    behold a great red dragon, having seven heads
    and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his
    heads. And his tail drew the third part of the
    stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:
    and the dragon stood before the woman which
    was ready to be delivered, for to devour her
    child as soon as it was born. And she brought
    forth a man-child, who was to rule all nations
    with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up
    to God and to his throne.”
    Revelation 12:2-5
    At first reading, it may seem to be the baby
    born to Mary. In other words, the baby Jesus.
    However, as we have seen, the symbols in this
    vision are not what they actually represent. The
    woman is not a woman, the woman is Israel. The
    sun, moon and stars are not actually sun, moon
    and stars. The red dragon is not a literal dragon.
    The heads are not heads, the horns are not horns;
    so perhaps the child is not a child, but symbolizes
    something else.
    Consider everything we can here, since this
    man-child is to rule all nations with a rod of iron.
    That takes us, first of all, to Revelation 19, and
    after the destruction of MYSTERY BABYLON,
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    there is another vision,
    “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white
    horse, and he that sat upon him was called
    Faithful and True, and in righteousness he
    dothjudge and make war.”
    Revelation 19: 11
    This, I believe, is a reference to Jesus Christ.
    This is not the Christ taught by most of the clergy;
    they teach that this Christ is going to come
    and snatch the Christians from the earth, and
    take them off to heaven. This Christ in
    Revelation 19 is going to judge and make war,
    “And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword,
    that with it he should smite the nations: and he
    shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth
    the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of
    Almighty God. And he hath on his vestures and
    on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS,
    AND LORD OF LORDS.”
    Revelation 19: 15-16
    In Psalm 2 we read of the references to
    someone ruling the earth with “a rod of iron.”
    “I will declare the decree: The Lord hath said
    unto me, Thou art my Son; This day have I
    begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee
    the heathen for thine inheritance, and the
    uttermost parts of the earthfor thy possession.
    Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron, thou
    shalt dash them in pieces like a potters vessel.”
    Psalm 2:7-9
    This seems to be Jesus again who will rule
    with a rod of iron. But is it possible that verse 8,
    is not God speaking, but the Son. In other words
    He is saying in verse 7, God said, “Thou art my
    Son, this day have I begotten thee.”
    Then if we take the next verse as Jesus
    speaking, then He is saying, “Ask of me and I
    shall give thee, (you), the heathen for your inheritance,
    and the uttermost parts of the earth for
    thine possession.” Thou, you believers, you
    Christians, shall break them with a rod of iron;
    and shall dash them in pieces as a potters vessel!
    We are told in Revelations that it is the
    Christian believers who will rule the world with
    a rod of iron. Jesus is speaking to the churches:
    “And he that overcometh, and keepeth my
    works to the end, to him will I give power over
    the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod
    of iron, as the vessels of a potter shall they be
    broken to shivers: even as I received of my
    Father.”
    Revelation 2:26-27
    We have a two-fold revelation here that it is
    Jesus who will rule the nations with a rod of
    iron, but it is also true that Jesus’ followers, the
    overcomers, will rule the nations of the world
    with a rod of iron.
    There are other verses in Revelation 12
    which also reveal that the man-child here is not
    Jesus Christ. We’ve already seen that the Bible
    says the overcomers will rule the nations with a
    rod of iron. Revelation 12:2 says;
    “and she being with child cried, travailing in
    birth, and pained to be delivered.”
    Earlier I identified the woman as Israel. The
    sun, moon and stars are symbols of the nation of
    Israel according to Josephs’s dream. But the
    question is, Did Israel travail when Jesus was
    born? The answer is, No! Most of Israel didn’t
    even know what was happening. And another
    point in fact, the word ‘travail’ is never used in
    Scripture in relation to Jesus’ birth.
    However, there is a birth in Scripture which
    is supposed to produce a man-child, and is supposed
    to produce it with pain and travail. The
    Bible itself can identify what this man-child is in
    the last chapter of the prophet Isaiah.
    The last half of the book of Isaiah is almost
    completely about the Zion of Bible prophecy, as
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    are some of the other prophecy books in the Old
    Testament, yet we seldom hear an explanation of
    what the Zion of Bible prophecy is. Generally
    speaking, Zion is related to Jerusalem and to a
    redeemed Israel ruling over the earth in the kingdom.
    In other words, the word’ Zion’ fits the
    kingdom of Jesus Christ upon the earth.
    “Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at
    his word (this is addressed to believers, people
    who tremble at God’s word) Your brethren that
    hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake,
    said, ‘Let the Lord be glorified:’ but he shall
    appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.”
    Isaiah 66:5
    He is referring to someone who is cast out by
    their brethren, but God will appear to the cast out
    ones.
    “A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the
    temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence
    to his enemies. Before she travailed,
    she brought forth, before her pain came she
    was delivered of a man-child. Who hath heard
    such things? Who hath seen such a thing?
    Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one
    day? Or shall a nation be born at once?”
    Isaiah 66:6-8a
    What was born? What is the man-child? The
    man-child is a nation, a nation born at once.
    “For as soon as Zion travailed, she brought
    forth her children. ‘Shall I bring to birth, and
    not cause to bring forth?’ saith the Lord: ‘Shall
    I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb?’
    saith thy God.”
    Isaiah 66:8b-9
    God is going to bring something out of this
    thing called Zion. And the thing born, called a
    ‘man-child’ in prophecy, is a nation. Another
    chapter, Micah 4, is obviously a prophecy of the
    Kingdom of Jesus Christ upon the earth. The
    first part of it literally repeats word for word
    Isaiah 2: 1.
    “But in the last days it shall come to pass, that
    the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be
    established in the top of the mountains and it
    shall be exalted above the hills: and people
    shall flow unto it.”
    Micah 4: 1
    As we saw earlier, the word ‘mountain’ symbolizes
    ‘nation’ in Bible prophecy. The nation of
    the Lord is going to be established as the chief
    among the nations, on top of the nations:
    “And people shall flow unto it. And many
    nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us
    go up to the mountain (nation) of the Lord, and
    to the house of the God of Jacob: and he will
    teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his
    paths: for the law shall go forth from Zion, and
    the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.”
    Micah 4:2
    There is a cassette message (7105) on that
    subject explaining the difference between the
    law going from Zion and the word from
    Jerusalem.
    “And he shall judge among many people, and
    rebuke strong nations afar off: and they shall
    beat their swords into plowshares, and their
    spears into pruning hooks: and nation shall not
    lift up a sword against nation, neither shall
    they learn war anymore.”
    Micah 4:3
    This has to refer to that great prophesied time
    of peace, the Kingdom upon the earth!
    “But they shall sit every man under his vine
    and under his fig tree: and none shall make
    them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of Hosts
    hath spoken it. For all people will walk everyone
    in the name of his god, and we will walk in
    the name of the Lord our God forever and ever.
    In that day, saith the Lord, will I assemble her
    that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven
    out, and her that I have afflicted.”
    Micah 4:4-6
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    Her that halteth, her that was driven out, and
    her that was afflicted, is the nation of Israel,
    driven out of old Palestine 700 years before
    Christ.
    “And I will make her that halted a remnant,”
    Micah 4:7a
    The Hebrew word translated ‘remnant’
    means literally ‘the turned ones.’ It’s too bad that
    the word ‘remnant’ means ‘a small number’
    nowadays. Back then it did not mean that, it
    meant ‘the turned ones,’ so this would mean, the
    ones turned to God.
    “and her that was cast far off a strong nation:”
    Micah 4:7b
    Here is a prophecy that God, who had cast
    off Israel, would regather Israel and make her a
    strong nation.
    “And the Lord shall reign over them in mount
    Zion from henceforth, even forever.”
    Micah 4:7c
    What is that nation, that is made up of reconstituted
    Israel? In Bible prophecy, it is called
    Zion. And it is out of Zion that the man-child is
    born.
    “And thou, O tower of the flock, the stronghold
    of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come,
    even the first dominion; the kingdom shall
    come to the daughter of Jerusalem.”
    Micah 4:8
    Not the old mother, not that filthy little old
    city back in Palestine, but the New Jerusalem,
    the new nation called Zion, and Jerusalem, that
    was born in a day, and which the dragon in
    Revelation 12 was attempting to destroy.
    “The kingdom shall come to the daughter of
    Jerusalem. Now why dost thou cry aloud? Is
    there no king in thee? Is thy counsellor perished?
    For pangs have taken thee as a woman
    in travail.”
    Micah 4:8b-9
    Something is coming to birth in this nation
    of reconstituted Israel.
    “Be in pain and labour to bring forth, O
    daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for
    now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou
    shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even
    to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered, there
    the Lord shall redeem thee from the hand of
    thine enemies.”
    Micah 4: 10
    We’ve shown this in other sermons on
    prophecy, that this nation — this great reconstituted
    nation of Israel was to be born in a day —
    was to become the chief among nations of all the
    world, and then was to go into captivity under an
    entity called Babylon. Remember Revelation 17,
    it is MYSTERY BABYLON that rules over all
    the nations of the world, and fights against
    Christendom. This is the same Babylon that we
    read here. Then God says, at that time;
    “There shalt thou be delivered. There the Lord
    shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.
    Now also many nations are gathered
    against thee, that say. Let her be defiled, and let
    our eye look upon Zion.”
    Micah 4: l0b-11
    What did we read in Revelation 12 in the last
    part of verse 4?
    “the dragon stood before the woman which was
    ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as
    soon as it was born.”
    Revelation 12:4b
    So what do we have? We have a nation born
    out of reconstituted Israel and this confederation
    of nations in Revelation 12 wants to destroy it.
    Where has that ever happened in history? Well,
    most of you (Americans) are living in that
    nation, that was born in a day on July 4th, 1776.
    The nation of reconstituted Israel which the
    dragon, the enemy, the anti-Christ, has been trying
    to destroy for centuries. This is not a recent
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    battle. This battle has been going on for years.
    So you can see, as we read this, that we find
    the manchild is really the nation of regathered
    Israel. It is not Jesus Christ as we showed earlier.
    All of the visions in the book of Revelation
    have to take place after John saw the vision. That
    is made very plain in the first verses of
    Revelation 1, and in the first verse of Revelation
    4. These are not things that happened before. So
    this birth was not Jesus Christ. This birth was of
    the great Zion nation of Bible prophecy, the
    United States of America.
    “Now also many nations are gathered against
    thee that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye
    look upon Zion.”
    Micah 4: 11
    I would guess that there are more spies and
    subversives per capita in America than in any
    nation on earth. This cannot fit the little old land
    of Palesine. I would suspect we have more
    enemy spies and agents in America than they
    have people in Palestine!
    “But they know not the thoughts of the Lord,
    neither understand they his counsel: for he
    shall gather them as sheaves into the floor.
    Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will
    make thine horn iron, and I will make thy
    hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many
    people and I will consecrate their gain unto the
    Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the
    whole earth.”
    Micah 4:12-13
    This is that great end-time battle in which all
    the nations of the world will be gathered against
    the Zion of Bible prophecy. Anyone who lives in
    America, who can’t see the nations of the world
    gathered against this great nation; — with the
    military arms in, and subversive parties in control
    of even a good share of South America, and
    Cuba, and Nicaragua and even now (1980) taken
    control to some extent in Mexico, with the
    Russian submarines and ships patrolling both of
    our seas with missiles by the thousands aimed at
    this nation; — if you still think the Zion of Bible
    prophecy is over in Palestine (Israeli), you simply
    don’t know what is going on in the earth
    today.
    We are the target of the great anti-Christ conspiracy.
    We are the nation born in a day, of
    reconstituted Israel, the people who follow Jesus
    Christ. Let’s go back to Revelation 12 and see if
    this vision does rather fit with this idea, that the
    man-child is not Jesus but was reconstituted
    Israel born in a day.
    “And she brought forth a man-child, who was
    to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her
    child was caught up unto God, and to his
    throne.”
    Revelation 12:5
    Again, it does not mean a literal removal
    from the earth to heaven. It is simply symbolic
    language for God’s protection of that man-child.
    God led and guided that man-child. If you can
    name a nation upon the earth that has had more
    leading and guidance and protection from God
    Almighty than the USA, you tell me about it,
    because I simply don’t know one.
    “And the woman fled into the wilderness,
    where she hath a place prepared of God, that
    they should feed her there a thousand two hundred
    and threescore days.”
    Revelation 12:6
    I’ve not yet figured out the time on this, and
    as I don’t believe in computing times for Jesus’
    return at the end of the age, I’ll let others work
    on that. But I do know Israel was regathered here
    in this North American continent, this wilderness.
    “And there was war in heaven: Michael and
    his angels fought against the dragon; and the
    dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed
    not, neither was their place found anymore in
    heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that
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    old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which
    deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into
    the earth, and his angels were cast out with
    him.”
    Revelation 12:7-9
    This, of course, is not some spiritual being
    that walks about the earth tempting Christians.
    Again, this old dragon is this conglomeration of
    nations, and they are literally going to be
    brought low and destroyed by God. The terminology
    here, of course, is ‘Michael.’
    “And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,
    Now is come salvation, and strength, and the
    Kingdom of our God,”
    Revelation 12:10a
    Here is that Kingdom again, that we read
    about in Isaiah and Micah,
    “and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of
    our brethren is cast down, which accused them
    before our God day and night.”
    Revelation 12: 10b
    That is another thing that our enemies do,
    which at least is one thing that does make our
    patriotic Americans angry. We are accused of
    causing all the trouble on the earth. In other
    nations in the third world, and among the communist
    propagandists, America is the great and
    terrible power. Khomeiny and Bin Laden call us
    ‘Devils’ and everything else.
    America literally receives the blame for
    everything that is going on the earth. And yet, in
    times of calamity and earthquakes and famines
    and trouble, what one nation, of all the earth
    sends its food, its help, its doctors, and its people
    to it? The United States, of course! The great
    Zion Nation of Bible prophecy.
    “And they overcame him by the blood of the
    Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and
    they loved not their lives unto death.”
    Revelation 12: 11
    This great anti-Christ world power is not going
    to be overcome by force of arms perse, but by
    the Word of God and the power of Jesus Christ.
    “Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that
    dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the
    earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down
    unto you, having great wrath, because he
    knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
    Revelation 12: 12
    It is also true that the rest of the earth is suffering
    under this anti-Christ power which is
    attempting to destroy America. If you’ve ever
    read the writings of Marx and Lenin and Stalin
    and some of the other so-called theoriticians of
    communism, they make it very plain that the
    nation they want to destroy is the USA.
    However, they recognize they will have to take
    the rest of the world first, then destroy us. So, as
    it says here, the devil is come down unto the rest
    of the inhabiters of the earth and the sea. All the
    other nations are suffering from this warfare
    which is directed against us.
    “And when the dragon saw that he was cast
    unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which
    brought forth the man-child. And to the woman
    were given two wings of a great eagle, that she
    might fly into the Wilderness, into her place,
    where she is nourished for a time, and times,
    and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”
    Revelation 12: 13-14
    There is a cassette tape series dealing with
    the Great Seal of the United States (7825 -
    7829), and many people I discovered, as I did
    that series on the radio, wrote that they had
    always assumed that the eagle was the symbol
    for the USA, and they did not know, until I read
    it from the Bible, that the Eagle is the symbol of
    God. God carried Israel, the olive nation, in His
    talons, and protected them with the arrows of
    His Words. That seal, of course, has a lot more
    symbolism than most people know about. That is
    why it took me 20 radio broadcasts to explain it.
    So, God Almighty carried Israel into the
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    Wilderness, where she is nourished for a time,
    times and half a time from the face of the serpent.
    “And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as
    a flood after the woman, that he might cause
    her to be carried away of the flood.”
    Revelation 12:15
    This great flood of hatred and propaganda
    and enmity to attempt to destroy the nation of
    Zion.
    “And the earth helped the woman, and the
    earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the
    flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.”
    Revelation 12: 16
    Again, referring to the other nations, this is
    possibly fulfilled by the fact that much of the
    power and might of the anti-Christ is absorbed
    by the other nations. This great flood which they
    cast out against Christian Israel, is absorbed by
    the other nations. If it were not, if their attack
    had only been on our nation, we would have
    been destroyed long ago (humanly speaking);
    but the other nations of the world serve to some
    extent to soak up that power and enmity and evil.
    “And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
    and went to make war with the remnant of
    her seed,”
    Revelation 12: 17a
    The war has to be against the physical, literal,
    racial descendants of this woman whom
    we’ve identified as Israel, and here they are:
    “which keep the commandments of God, and
    have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
    Revelation 12: 17b
    What can it be but Christianized Israel? The
    people of our race, reconstituted in this North
    American Continent as the Israel of God in the
    great Zion of Bible prophecy. The dragon of
    Revelation 12, which was seen in vision by John
    is, of course, the same beast creature of
    Revelation 17, which wars against God’s people.
    “These shall make war with the Lamb, and the
    Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of
    lords, and King of kings: and they that are with
    him are called, and chosen and faithful.”
    Revelation 17:14
    Who could they be but the Christians of the
    earth, the Christians of America. This nonsense
    that the Jews, who are the most anti-Christ people
    in all of the world, over in Palestine-Israeli,
    are the people against which world communism
    is fighting, is literally that, not only nonsense,
    but DANGEROUS NONSENSE! The people
    they are fighting are the Christians of America
    and Western Europe.
    We are the target, we are the ones they wish
    to destroy. If those who are fought against in
    Revelation 17 are identical to those fought
    against in Revelation 12, why is it so far fetched
    to say that the entity which fights against them is
    the same in both chapters. In other words, not a
    great spirit being but a conglomerate of nations
    and people gathered together to fight and
    attempt to destroy the Zion of Bible prophecy.
    My identification earlier on the ten horns of
    Revelation 17 as possibly our own government
    which has been divided into ten regions, does
    not change my identification of this, since our
    government is not run by our people.
    How many of you know it is certainly not
    run by Christian people? In fact, the present
    President claims to be a born-again Christian
    (Jimmy Carter), and as far as we can tell from
    the entire list of hundreds, and perhaps by now
    thousands, of people he has appointed to office
    in the Federal Government, he has never
    appointed one Christian to office, which of
    course doesn’t speak very well for his profession
    of Christianity.
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    This government of ours is actually combined
    with the enemies of Christianity, making
    war on Christians. Thank God a lot of ministers
    are beginning to see that when the government is
    trying to take away their tax-exempt status and
    close their schools, and has already stopped
    prayer in the public schools and prevented the
    Bible from being read there. There is at least a
    stirring among our people and a recognition that
    there is a great almost sacred hidden power
    which is warring against Christendom and
    against our people.
    In summing up, we have an accurate prophecy
    in Revelation 12, that people and nations,
    constituted as earthly powers, would make war
    on the regathered house of Israel in the
    Wilderness, in their attempt to destroy Zion; to
    destroy God’s government over the nations. The
    interpretation of that vision as someone portraying
    a fallen angelic creature, who is nebulous
    and invisible, prevents us from grasping the truth
    of the existence of this conglomeration of people
    and nations; that war is being carried on against
    us by flesh and blood people, and NOT by some
    angelic supernatural creature.
    There is a great difference in fact by identifying
    this serpent or this satan of Revelation 12
    as a great spirit creature. The ministers and the
    clergy have educated the people to sit in church
    and listen to the minister while he fights an
    unseen and unseeable enemy. He has become
    their surrogate soldier and they never enter into
    the war, and never realize that they can. In fact,
    they just watch this vapour called the ‘devil,’ and
    the war goes on around them on the earth, and its
    one-sided, because the enemy is fighting us and
    we’re not fighting back. We are told that everything
    is caused by this ‘devil.’
    Some ministers take this ‘devil’ and this
    ‘satan’ and make a great thing out of it to make
    themselves heroes and martyrs. Every time their
    ministry starts to grow and they have success,
    they say, “Oh we overcame the devil.” When the
    contributions start to fall off and the people leave
    the church, they say, “Oh the devil is trying to
    destroy the ministry.” The devil has become a
    scapegoat for their own failings. The individuals
    who are destroying our nation encourage our
    people to hate the ‘devil.’ But you’re never,
    NEVER supposed to hate the individuals who
    are doing the work of destroying this nation, and
    our people. The ministers rail against pornography,
    but who is at fault? Oh, the devil is. They
    rail against prostitution, abortion, drug promotion,
    blasphemy against Christ, treason in government,
    and world communism, but who is at
    fault? Oh, its that devil out there doing that. NO,
    it is not my friends! It is millions, upon millions
    of anti-Christ flesh and blood people who are
    destroying your nation and your people.
    The devil, as I said, becomes just a scapegoat.
    Since you can’t hurt this spirit creature,
    you never attempt to stop any of the things that
    these people are doing. The minister may even
    make a great crusading hero out of himself by
    speaking against these nation destroying activities.
    Then when someone comes along and says,
    “What we must do is execute, exile, imprison or
    punish the criminals and traitors in some way,”
    they say, “We must hate the sin and love the sinner.
    We must not judge lest we be judged, after
    all, its the devil doing all of these things.”
    If you point out that you have investigated
    these anti-Christ and anti-Christian activities and
    you have been convinced that they are primarily
    promoted by anti-Christ Jews who are followers
    of the religion of the Pharisees, which Jesus condemned;
    and that they are behind everything
    from communism to pornography, to drug promotion
    and distribution, for the purpose of
    destroying Christianity, then they say, “The Jews
    are God’s chosen people. God will curse you if
    you do anything against the Jews. We must love
    the Jews.” Then they go back to fighting shadows
    and the wind again with the devil and the
    great anti-Christ.
    They don’t mind if you oppose pornography,
    just don’t jail the pornographer. They don’t mind
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    if you oppose abortion, just don’t execute the
    baby-killer! They don’t even mind if you hate
    communism, just don’t imprison or deport the
    Jewish communists. In actuality so many
    churchgoers are so conditioned to think of their
    enemy as a spirit creature called the devil, they
    can hardly think in terms of flesh and blood enemies.
    The ‘devil doctrine’ is powerful protection
    for the enemies of Zion and Israel.
    “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the
    latter times some shall depart from the faith,
    giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of
    devils.”
    I Timothy 4: 1
    I have read that verse for years and I always
    assumed it meant that some would give heed to
    doctrines promulgated by devils, but Paul
    instead could have been warning that those who
    would not preach the true faith would preach
    doctrines ABOUT devils.
    It’s interesting that the greatest so-called
    church in Christendom which has departed from
    the faith is the Roman Catholic Church; and a
    great part of its teaching is always about that
    ‘devil.’ The devil will get you if you don’t follow
    the teaching of the priests, and so on.
    In Romans 1 we’ll see who has the power
    here. This chapter is about people who refuse to
    follow God.
    “Because that when they knew God, they glorified
    him not as God, neither were thankful, but
    became vain in their imaginations, and their
    foolish heart was darkened:”
    Romans 1 :21
    It then describes people who are opposed to
    knowing anything about God.
    “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness,
    through the lusts of their own hearts, to
    dishonour their own bodies between themselves:”
    Romans 1 :22
    Did they get caught up in the web or deception
    of some nebulous spirit creature called the
    ‘devil?’ NO! God gave them up to those things.
    “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and
    worshipped and served the creature more than
    the Creator, who is blest for ever. Amen. For
    this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
    for even their women did change the natural
    use into that which is against nature:”
    Romans 1 :23
    Who Is the power? Not the devil! But God
    Almighty! 2 Thessalonians 2 is that great chapter
    on the man of sin, which we’ve explained in
    some detail previously (7702, 7103).
    “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness
    in them that perish: because they received
    not the love of the truth, that they might be
    saved. And for this cause God shall send them
    strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.”
    2 Thessalonians 2: 10
    Jews. We must love the Jews.” Then they go
    back to fighting shadows and the wind again
    with the devil and the great anti-Christ.
    They don’t mind if you oppose pornography,
    just don’t jail the pornographer. They don’t mind
    if you oppose abortion, just don’t execute the
    baby-killer! They don’t even mind if you hate
    communism, just don’t imprison or deport the
    Jewish communists. In actuality so many
    churchgoers are so conditioned to think of their
    enemy as a spirit creature called the devil, they
    can hardly think in terms of flesh and blood enemies.
    The ‘devil doctrine’ is powerful protection
    for the enemies of Zion and Israel.
    “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the
    latter times some shall depart from the faith,
    giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of
    devils.”
    I Timothy 4: 1
    I have read that verse for years and I always
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    assumed it meant that some would give heed to
    doctrines promulgated by devils, but Paul
    instead could have been warning that those who
    would not preach the true faith would preach
    doctrines ABOUT devils.
    It’s interesting that the greatest so-called
    church in Christendom which has departed from
    the faith is the Roman Catholic Church; and a
    great part of its teaching is always about that
    ‘devil.’ The devil will get you if you don’t follow
    the teaching of the priests, and so on.
    In Romans 1 we’ll see who has the power
    here. This chapter is about people who refuse to
    follow God.
    “Because that when they knew God, they glorified
    him not as God, neither were thankful, but
    became vain in their imaginations, and their
    foolish heart was darkened:”
    Romans 1 :21
    It then describes people who are opposed to
    knowing anything about God.
    “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness,
    through the lusts of their own hearts, to
    dishonour their own bodies between themselves:”
    Romans 1 :22
    Did they get caught up in the web or deception
    of some nebulous spirit creature called the
    ‘devil?’ NO! God gave them up to those things.
    “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and
    worshipped and served the creature more than
    the Creator, who is blest for ever. Amen. For
    this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
    for even their women did change the natural
    use into that which is against nature:”
    Romans 1 :23
    Who Is the power? Not the devil! But God
    Almighty! 2 Thessalonians 2 is that great chapter
    on the man of sin, which we’ve explained in
    some detail previously (7702, 7103).
    “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness
    in them that perish: because they received
    not the love of the truth, that they might be
    saved. And for this cause God shall send them
    strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.”
    2 Thessalonians 2: 10
    For this cause, that is because they did not
    want the truth. When people believe lies and
    believe not the truth of this Holy Word, who has
    led them into that false belief? God Almighty!
    Let’s be careful about what credit we give the
    ‘devil’ for doing great things. God Almighty
    sends them strong delusions that they should
    believe a lie.
    Thank God for the other side of that same
    coin. If you love the truth, God will open your
    eyes and God will give you the truth. He will not
    deceive you, and you will find out the things in
    His Word which are truth. When Israel repents,
    when our nation repents and turns to God and
    seeks the truth; God will open their eyes and
    give them the truth that will set them free.
    The truth that will destroy all of the antichrist
    powers of these people and nations, which
    almost seem to have us in their grasp, and the
    power is here, the power is not some mythical
    ‘satan’ of the churches. The power is in God
    Almighty and His Word. We are the ones who
    must repent and then the old adversary, this devil
    and this satan, which are the people of the earth
    that oppose Christendom, will be destroyed, and
    God will bring upon this earth the cleansed land
    of Bible Prophecy, the Kingdom of God upon
    the earth. May God speed the day.
    Pastor Sheldon Emry
    Transcribed and edited from cassette tape 8001a
    and 8001b
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    Give The Devil His Due Chapter 2

    Common Beliefs
    About The Devil
    At the beginning of this study we read
    about the thief on the cross. Let's read
    that again because I want you to keep it in
    mind as we study other Scriptures about
    the devil, Satan, and the serpent:
    And one of the malefactors which
    were hanged railed on him, saying, If
    thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
    But the other answering rebuked him,
    saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing
    thou art in the same condemnation?
    And we indeed justly; for we receive
    the due reward of our deeds: but this
    man hath done nothing amiss.
    Luke 23:39-41
    So the thief said that his own wickedness
    had caused his problem. He did not
    say that the devil caused it. He was
    receiving the “due” reward of his deeds. In
    other words, death was justly due him.
    The thief didn't give any “due” to the
    devil, but claimed it all for himself.
    Most professing Christian churches
    say the devil, or Satan, is a living creature
    who has thoughts and power of his own.
    They teach that he influences many
    human beings to do wicked deeds or to
    have wicked thoughts.
    The following is a quote from Cruden
    (of Cruden's Concordance) describing
    what he calls “the Devil or Satan”:
    “A most wicked angel, the implacable enemy and
    tempter of the human race, deadly in his malice,
    surprisingly subtle, possessing strength superior
    to ours, having a mighty number of principalities
    and powers under his command, he roves, full of
    rage, like a roaring lion, seeking to tempt, to
    betray, to destroy us, to involve us in guilt and
    wickedness. In a word, he is an enemy to God and
    man, and uses his utmost endeavors to rob God of
    His glory and men of their souls.”
    In a few short words, this sums up
    what most of the “fundamentalist”
    preachers would say of the devil. Cruden
    comments further:
    “Common belief assigns something like omniscience
    to the evil being thus described. He is
    regarded as universally at work, alike active in
    England and America, and all other parts of the
    globe at the same time, and exerting his seductive
    arts in millions of hearts at once. He is also
    believed to be, in some sense, omnipotent, achieving
    his behest by a power superior to nature, and
    certainly more successful than God in the mutual
    strife for human souls, since hell, according to tradition,
    receives a far larger proportion of the
    earth's inhabitants than find their ways to the
    celestial city.”
    I think you would agree that the above
    is a general statement of the belief of the
    fundamentalist churches. They believe
    that, in this contest between the devil and
    God, the devil has been in the past, and is
    currently, the victor: the successful one,
    because he has claimed more human
    beings or more souls than God has.
    There is another teaching about the
    devil, which denies that any such creature
    exists. Most who believe this teaching,
    also, deny that God Almighty exists. Some
    call themselves, Atheists or Evolutionists
    and they claim that the natural world,
    which we see, is all that exists. They say
    it came into being somehow; we know not
    quite how, but that it has evolved into
    what we see today without any outside
    force acting upon it.
    Give The Devil His Due
    Chapter 2
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    On the other hand, some believe in a
    supernatural Devil to whom they've
    attributed ALL power. They praise him
    and become Devil or Satan Worshippers.
    These people claim that they receive benefits,
    or receive their desires, from the
    devil. They, actually, came up with a religion
    (which we would call “devil worship”),
    where they give praise to “the Devil” to
    the exclusion of God.
    Christians are instructed not to give
    place to the devil. They are to put on the
    whole armor of God to stand against the
    devil. Christians are warned that they can
    sometimes be captives of the devil. The
    devil has the power of death, but Jesus
    destroyed that power. The devil will flee if
    you resist him. He is likened to a lion,
    devouring people. John wrote: “All who
    have sinned are of the devil” Jesus was
    made manifest to destroy the works of the
    devil.
    In Revelation, we found that the devil
    can put Christians in prison. Reading the
    references to the devil in order, from the
    New Testament, we came across a beast
    who was called a “dragon,” a “serpent,”
    and also “the Devil” (capitalized). This
    beast turned out to be, what could only be
    described, as great world powers, nations
    and kingdoms because the beast, Who is,
    also, called the Devil, had seven heads
    and ten horns and those heads and horns
    were described as nations and. kingdoms.
    In reading through the New
    Testament, our devil first was something
    that acted upon individual Christians and
    then, Lo and behold, by the time we
    reached the Book of Revelation, he had
    become nations, kingdoms, and earthly
    powers. Reading about the devil in the
    last part of the New Testament, we found
    the description did not fit anything else
    we had read at the first. There seemed to
    be a tremendous contradiction. Also, there
    is somewhat of a contradiction between
    what the Bible teaches and what the
    churches teach, according to what I just
    quoted from Mr. Cruden.
    We cannot use the descriptions in
    Revelation, chapters 12, 13 and 17, for
    what is commonly considered “the devil.”
    Here, he is being described as nations,
    kingdoms and world powers. That doesn't
    mean that these powers have nothing to
    do with the devil but they are not the devil
    itself. Nations and kingdoms are made up
    of many people and earthly powers. They
    cannot be described as an angelic or
    supernatural being.
    The Word “Diabolos”
    Let's read Revelation 20 to try and find
    “the Devil” of the churches.
    And I saw an angel come down from
    heaven, having the key of the bottomless
    pit and a great chain in his
    hand. And he laid hold on the dragon,
    that old serpent, which is the Devil,
    and Satan, and bound him a thousand
    years, And cast him into the bottomless
    pit, and shut him up, and set
    a seal upon him, that he should
    deceive the nations no more, till the
    thousand years should be fulfilled:
    and after that he must be loosed a little
    season.
    Revelation 20:1-3
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    The term “devil” is used in verse two,
    and, again, in verse ten of Revelation 20.
    The Greek word is “diabolos.” According to
    Strong's Concordance, it means “traducer”
    (not seducer but traducer), “false accuser,
    slanderer or devil.” In the Book of Acts, in
    all of the epistles, and in Revelation, every
    time you read the word, “devil,” it comes
    from the Greek word “diabolos.” In 2
    Timothy, the word “diabolos” is used but it
    is not translated “devil.”
    This know also, that in the last days
    perilous times shall come. For men
    shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous,
    boasters, proud, blasphemers,
    disobedient to parents, unthankful,
    unholy, Without natural affection,
    trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent,
    fierce, despisers of those that are
    good,
    2 Timothy 3:1-3
    The two words “false accusers” are
    translated from the word, “diabolos.” If
    the translators had been consistent, “false
    accusers” would have read, “devils.” Then
    verse two would have read that men shall
    be devils (diabolos).
    But the devil, or devils, were not supposed
    to be human! Yet, Paul says in the
    last days mortal men shall be “diabolos.”
    This is the same word that is used in
    Revelation, chapters 2 and 20, and in all
    of the epistles. Just so we don't leave the
    women out, let's read what it says in chapter
    two of Titus:
    But speak thou the things which
    become sound doctrine. That the aged
    men be sober, grave, temperate, sound
    in faith, in charity, in patience. The
    aged women likewise, that they be in
    behaviour as becometh holiness, not
    false accusers (diabolos), not given to
    much wine, teachers of good things, ...
    Titus 2:1-3
    Paul is saying that women have to be
    exhorted not to be devils. It appears, then,
    that Paul thought that men and women
    could be “diabolos” or “devils,” The word
    “serpent,” in Revelation 20, comes from
    this same Greek word: “diabolos,” which
    does not give any meaning of immortality
    or long-living, or any angelic or spirit
    nature to the serpent, as such. It simplymeans
    “false accuser” or “slanderer.” The
    serpent isn't an angelic being, when
    defined by the word, “devil,” because both
    men and women can be devils.
    “Sawtawn:” Adversary —
    Not Fallen Angel
    What about the word “Satan?” The serpent
    in Revelation 20 is called by the title
    “Satan.” That is a little simpler to understand
    because in every case where the
    word “Satan” appears in the New
    Testament, it comes from a Greek word
    pronounced “satanas.” In the Old
    Testament, it comes, every time, from the
    same Hebrew word which is pronounced,
    “sawtawn.” Here is what Strong's
    Concordance says of the Greek word
    “satanas:”
    — Of Chaldean origin, the accuser, or the
    “devil.”
    Strong's says this of the Hebrew word
    “sawtawn:”
    — Opponent, adversary, Satan. From a
    slightly different root “sawtan, “ meaning
    to attack, accuse, to be an adversary, or to
    resist.
    So, the word “Satan” in the original
    Greek and Hebrew, both in the Old
    Testament and the New, comes from the
    same word. It is a word of Chaldean origin
    which was transliterated by the Hebrews
    and picked up by the Greeks unchanged.
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    It means “accuser,” “adversary,” “opponent,”
    or it means “to do what an accuser,
    adversary or an opponent does.”
    Let me demonstrate this from the use
    of “Satan” in the Old Testament. In
    Numbers 22, Balak has hired Balaam to
    prophesy against Israel.
    Here, the word “sawtawn” is used and
    it is translated “adversary:”
    And God came unto Balaam at night,
    and said unto him, If the men come to
    call thee, rise up, and go with them;
    but yet the word which I shall say
    unto thee, that shalt thou do. And
    Balaam rose up in the morning, and
    saddled his ass, and went with the
    princes of Moab. And God's anger was
    kindled because he went: and the
    angel of the Lord stood in the way for
    an adversary (satan)
    Numbers 22:20-22
    Here we have an angel of the Lord who
    is a “satan” or an “adversary” against this
    man. The Hebrew text says the angel of
    the Lord was, literally, “a satan.”
    In chapter 19 of 2 Samuel, David is in
    an argument with his own men. A man
    who had previously maligned David came
    and begged his forgiveness. David's men
    said that David should kill the man
    because he had cursed the Lord's anointed.
    David replied:
    And David said, What have I to do
    with you, ye sons of Zeruiah, that ye
    should this day be adversaries
    (Satans) unto me? shall there any
    man be put to death this day in
    Israel?
    2 Samuel 19:22
    David spoke to the officers in his own
    army and asked them why they were
    being “sawtawns” or “satans” to him.
    Here is another passage that uses the
    term “adversary”:
    And Hiram king of Tyre sent his servants
    unto Solomon; for he had heard
    that they had anointed him king in
    the room of his father: for Hiram was
    ever a lover of David. And Solomon
    sent to Hiram, saying, Thou knowest
    how that David my father could not
    build an house unto the name of the
    Lord his God for the wars which were
    about him on every side, until the
    Lord put them under the soles of his
    feet. But now the Lord my God hath
    given me rest on every side, so that
    there is neither adversary (satan) nor
    evil occurrent.
    Kings 5:1-4
    The word “adversary” is from
    “sawtawn.” Solomon was saying to Hiram
    “God hath given me rest on every side, so
    that there is neither SATAN nor evil
    occurrent.” Solomon says there was no
    satan at that time. There was no “satan”
    because the word “satan” in the Chaldean,
    Hebrew and Greek means “opponent” or
    “adversary.” Solomon was saying he had
    no opponent; he was at peace. This word
    “sawtawn” is translated “Satan” 19 times
    in the Old Testament. It is found once in I
    Chronicles, 14 times in Job, once in
    Psalms and three times in Zechariah. The
    other 13 times that the word “sawtawn”
    appears, it is translated “adversary.” So it
    is transliterated to “Satan” 19 times and it
    is translated “adversary” 12 times.
    Adversary is the literal meaning of the
    word in all three languages - Chaldean,
    Hebrew, and Greek.
    I think we should read a few more passages
    where “sawtawn” is translated
    “adversary.” In 1 Kings 11, near the end of
    his reign, we read that Solomon has
    sinned against God:
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    And the Lord was angry with
    Solomon, because his heart was
    turned from the Lord God of Israel,
    which had appeared unto him twice.
    And had commanded him concerning
    this thing, that he should not go after
    other gods: but he kept not that which
    the Lord commanded. Wherefore the
    Lord said unto Solomon, Forasmuch
    as this is done of thee, and thou hast
    not kept my covenant and my statutes,
    which I have commanded thee, I will
    surely rend the kingdom from thee,
    and will give it to thy servant. Not
    withstanding in thy days I will not do
    it for David thy father's sake: but I
    will rend it out of the hand of thy son.
    Howbeit I will not rend away all the
    kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy
    son for David my servant's sake, and
    for Jerusalem's sake which I have
    chosen.
    1 Kings 11:9-13
    God is telling Solomon what He is
    going to do because of Solomon's sin.
    And the Lord stirred up an adversary
    (a Satan) unto Solomon, Hadad the
    Edomite: he was of the king's seed in
    Edom.
    1 Kings 11:14
    The Lord stirred up a satan. Who was
    this satan? He was not only a man, but his
    name is given: “Hadad.” He was a mortal
    man of Edom.
    And God stirred him up another
    adversary (satan), Rezon the son of
    Eliadah, which fled from his lord
    Hadadezer king of Zobah:
    1 Kings 11:23
    So, here is another satan, who is a
    mortal, and his name is in the Bible.
    And he was an adversary (satan) to
    Israel all the days of Solomon, beside
    the mischief that Hadad did: and he
    abhorred Israel, and reigned over
    Syria.
    1 Kings 11:25
    David also used the word “sawtawn” in
    Psalm 38:
    But mine enemies are lively, and they
    are strong: and they that hate me
    wrongfully are multiplied. They also
    that render evil for good are mine adversaries
    (satans); because I follow
    the thing that good is.
    Psalm 38:19-20
    “Adversaries” is made plural here by
    the translators. In the original text the
    word is “sawtawn,” it can be used as both
    singular and plural. The translators made
    it plural because of David's use of the plural
    “they.” He had more than one adversary
    and they were “satans:” If the
    translators had been consistent, they
    would have transliterated “sawtawn” into
    “Satan.”
    Two other places where “sawtawn” was
    translated, “adversaries,” are in Psalm 71
    and Psalm 109:
    O God, be not far from me: O my God,
    make haste for my help. Let them be
    confounded and consumed that are
    adversaries (satans) to my soul; let
    them be covered with reproach and
    dishonour that seek my hurt.
    Psalm 71:12-13
    Hold not thy peace, O God of my
    praise; For the mouth of the wicked
    and the mouth of the deceitful are
    opened against me: they have spoken
    against me with a lying tongue. They
    compassed me about also with words
    of hatred; and fought against me
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    without a cause. For my love they are
    my adversaries (satans): but I give
    myself unto prayer.
    Psalm 109:1-4
    David's adversaries were not supernatural,
    angelic beings. But, they were
    “satans.”
    And they have rewarded me evil for
    good, and hatred for my love. Set thou
    a wicked man over him: and let Satan
    (or an adversary) stand at his right
    hand.
    Psalm 109:5-6
    “Satan,” in verse five, is the same word
    translated “adversaries” in verse four.
    Here it is transliterated into the word
    “Satan”: “let Satan stand at his right
    hand.” If you will, think about that for a
    moment. David is not praying that God
    will put “Satan,” the devil of the churches,
    at the right hand of his enemy, but that
    God would place one of their own
    adversaries there. This is confusing
    because of the translation of the same
    word two different ways in the same text.
    Let this be the reward of mine adversaries
    (satans) from the Lord, and of
    them that speak evil against my soul.
    Psalm 109:20
    Let mine adversaries (satans) be
    clothed with shame, and let them cover
    themselves with their own confusion,
    as with a mantle.
    Psalm 109:29
    Again, David used “adversaries” or
    “satans” as a word that meant “human
    enemies.” You cannot make this
    “sawtawn,” or “satan” into an everliving,
    angelic, supernatural creature in any of
    the passages that we have read so far. In
    fact, in some places, he is a specific human
    being and he is named.
    In every case where the original word
    “sawtawn” has been used, so far, we cannot
    use it for anything other than mortal
    human beings.
    “Sawtawn” In Job
    As I stated earlier, of the 19 times that
    the word “sawtawn” is transliterated as
    “Satan,” 14 occur in Job. We will have to
    read those 14 passages in order to understand
    who or what caused all of Job's trouble.
    In the modern churches, it is common
    teaching that this fallen angel, this supernatural,
    angelic being, called “Satan,” was
    responsible.
    There was a man in the land of Uz,
    whose name was Job; and that man
    was perfect and upright, and one that
    feared God, and eschewed evil. And
    there were born unto him seven sons
    and three daughters. His substance
    also was seven thousand sheep, and
    three thousand camels, and five hundred
    yoke of oxen, and five hundred
    she asses, and a very great household;
    so that this man was the greatest of
    all the men of the east. And his sons
    went and feasted in their houses,
    every one his day; and sent and called
    for their three sisters to eat and to
    drink with them. And it was so, when
    the days of their feasting were gone
    about, that Job sent and sanctified
    them, and rose up early in the morning,
    and offered burnt offerings
    according to the number of them all:
    for Job said, It may be that my sons
    have sinned, and cursed God in their
    hearts. Thus did Job continually.
    Job 1:1-5
    We have established at the very beginning
    that Job is very wealthy, he has
    many sons and daughters, and he is a
    God-fearing man who praised God for all
    of his substance and all of his children.
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    Now there was a day when the sons of
    God came to present themselves before
    the Lord, and Satan came also among
    them.
    Job 1:6
    The margin in my Bible, and in many
    Bibles, actually has the words “the 'adversary'
    came, also, among them,” because it
    is the same word “sawtawn.” Only here, it
    is capitalized and written as “Satan.”
    And the Lord said unto Satan,
    Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered
    the Lord, and said, From
    going to and fro in the earth, and
    from walking up and down in it. And
    the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou
    considered my servant Job, that there
    is none like him in the earth, a perfect
    and an upright man, one that feareth
    God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan
    answered the Lord, and said, Doth
    Job fear God for nought? Hast not
    thou made an hedge about him, and
    about his house, and about all that he
    hath on every side? thou hast blessed
    the work of his hands, and his substance
    is increased in the land.
    Job 1:7-10
    This creature, whoever and whatever
    he is, says that Job fears God and gives
    honor to Him because God has blessed
    him. God has given him all these things
    and protects him.
    But put forth thine hand now, and
    touch all that he hath, and he will
    curse thee to thy face. And the Lord
    said unto Satan, Behold, all that he
    hath is in thy power; only upon himself
    put not forth thine hand. So
    Satan went forth from the presence of
    the Lord.
    Job 1:11-12
    As you read on you find that Job lost
    his oxen, asses, sheep, servants, camels,
    and even his sons and daughters. The
    churches say this was done by a great,
    angelic, malevolent, evil, wicked being
    who tempts and brings evil to all the other
    people of the earth.
    After Job lost everything we read:
    In all this Job sinned not, nor
    charged God foolishly.
    Job 1:22
    Again there was a day when the sons
    of God came to present themselves
    before the Lord, and Satan (sawtawn)
    came also among them to present himself
    before the Lord. And the Lord said
    unto Satan, From whence comest
    thou? And Satan answered the Lord,
    and said, From going to and fro in the
    earth, and from walking up and down
    in it. And the Lord said unto Satan,
    Hast thou considered my servant Job,
    that there is none like him in the
    earth, a perfect and an upright man,
    one that feareth God, and escheweth
    evil? and still he holdeth fast his
    integrity, although thou movedst me
    against him, to destroy him without
    cause.
    Job 2:1-3
    So, even after his calamity, Job was
    still faithful to God. Now, God tells Satan:
    “See, in spite of everything that happens,
    Job still fears Me and eschews evil.”
    And Satan answered the Lord, and
    said, Skin for skin, yes, all that a man
    hath will he give for his life. But put
    forth thine hand now, and touch his
    bone and his flesh, and he will curse
    thee to thy face. And the Lord said
    unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine
    hand; but save his life. So went Satan
    forth from the presence of the Lord,
    and smote Job with sore boils from the
    sale of his foot unto his crown. And he
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    took him a potsherd to scrape himself
    withal; and he sat down among the
    ashes.
    Job 2:4-8
    Job was so ill at this point that his wife
    said:
    Dost thou still retain thine integrity?
    curse God, and die.
    Job 2:9
    Job's wife gave up. Job had lost everything
    that he had. He now was in illness
    and pain and possibly in fear of his own
    life. At this point almost all fundamentalists
    without exception have credited some
    wicked, angelic being called “Satan”
    (“sawtawn” in the original Chaldean language)
    with having done all this to Job.
    But, perhaps you missed verse three of
    chapter two where God is speaking and
    He said of Job: “and still he holdeth fast
    his integrity, although thou movedst me
    against him, to destroy him without
    cause.” Who did the destroying? God said
    that HE did it.
    After these additional calamities
    occurred and, apparently, after days of
    conversation with friends who came supposedly
    to comfort him but who were of no
    great comfort, Job tells his friends:
    How long will ye vex my soul, and
    break me in pieces with words? These
    ten times have ye reproached me: ye
    are not ashamed that ye make yourselves
    strange to me. And be it indeed
    that I have erred, mine error
    remaineth with myself. If indeed ye
    will magnify yourselves against me,
    and plead against me my reproach:
    Job 19:2-5
    If you know the Book of Job, you know
    that these men had been telling Job that
    he must have sinned. They told Job that
    something he did was wrong, and that's
    why he had suffered all these calamities.
    So Job rebuked them:
    Know now that God hath overthrown
    me, and hath compassed me with his
    net. Behold, I cry out of wrong, but I
    am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is
    no judgment. He hath fenced up my
    way that I cannot pass, and he hath
    set darkness in my paths. He hath
    stripped me of my glory, and taken the
    crown from my head. He hath
    destroyed me on every side, and I am
    gone: and mine hope hath he removed
    like a tree. He hath also kindled his
    wrath against me, and he counteth
    me unto him as one of his enemies. His
    troops come together, and raise up
    their way against me, and encamp
    round about my tabernacle. He hath
    put my brethren far from me, and
    mine acquaintance are verily
    estranged from me.
    Job 19:6-13
    Who is Job saying caused all of these
    calamities? Job says that God did it. He is
    trying to point out to these men that it
    wasn't necessarily any sin of his own but,
    they should understand that God did it.
    Job says:
    Have pity upon me, have pity upon me,
    O ye my friends; for the hand of God
    hath touched me.
    Job 19:21
    In the last chapter of Job, after God
    has spoken to him, Job answers:
    I know that thou canst do every thing,
    and that no thought can be withholden
    from thee. Who is he that
    hideth counsel without knowledge?
    therefore have I uttered that I understood
    not: things too wonderful for
    me, which I knew not. Hear, I beseech
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    thee, and I will speak: I will demand
    of thee, and declare thou unto me. I
    have heard of thee by the hearing of
    the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
    Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent
    in dust and ashes.
    Job 42:2-6
    Even though Job had rebuked his
    friends and told them he had not sinned,
    he said: God, I realize what I am, I realize
    what You are, You can do all things, therefore,
    I repent. Then God speaks to the
    other men:
    And it was so, that after the Lord had
    spoken these words unto Job, the Lord
    said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My
    wrath is kindled against thee, and
    against thy two friends: for ye have
    not spoken of me the thing that is
    right, as my servant Job hath.
    Therefore take unto you now seven
    bullocks and seven rams, and go to my
    servant Job, and offer up for yourselves
    a burnt offering; and my servant
    Job shall pray for you: for him
    will I accept: lest I deal with you after
    your folly, in that ye have not spoken
    of me the thing which is right, like my
    servant Job.
    Job 42:7-8
    God says that Job spoke right. He then
    tells Job's friends to offer a burnt offering
    because, as He says in verse eight: “ye
    have not spoken of me the thing which is
    right, like my servant Job.” These men did
    make an offering because God had told
    them to, as we see in the next passage:
    So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad
    the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite
    went, and did according as
    the Lord commanded them: the Lord
    also accepted Job. And the Lord
    turned the captivity of Job, when he
    prayed for his friends: also the Lord
    gave Job twice as much as he had
    before. Then came there unto him all
    his brethren, and all his sisters, and
    all they that had been of his acquaintance
    before, and did eat bread with
    him in his house: and they bemoaned
    him, and comforted him over all the
    evil that the Lord had brought upon
    him: every man also gave him a piece
    of money, and every one an earring of
    gold. So the Lord blessed the latter
    end of Job more than his beginning:
    for he had fourteen thousand sheep,
    and six thousand camels, and a thousand
    yoke of oxen, and a thousand she
    asses. He had also seven sons and
    three daughters.
    Job 42:9-13
    Why did God give Job all of these
    blessings? They were given in order to
    replace that which God Almighty had
    taken from Job. The Book of Job is very
    specific. The people who in the end came
    to comfort Job realized that everything
    that had happened to Job had been done
    by God Almighty.
    I haven't quoted all of Job but I quoted
    every place where the word “Satan”
    appears in Job. I defy you to use any part
    of those references to conclude that
    “satan” is some sort of an everliving creature
    who has power almost equal to God.
    If we take the original meaning of the
    word we come up with the word “adversary.”
    This adversary could easily have
    been nothing more than another son of
    God, a man of the Adamic race, who came
    before God with the rest of the men and
    provoked God to test Job. It was God who
    brought the calamities. There is no indication
    that the Satan of Job had any supernatural
    powers, whatsoever. It was God
    who did the things which were beyond
    nature.
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    We are going to have to believe what
    Isaiah wrote:
    I am the Lord, and there is none else,
    there is no God beside me: I girded
    thee, though thou hast not known me:
    That they may know from the rising of
    the sun, and from the west, that there
    is none beside me. I am the Lord, and
    there is none else. I form the light, and
    create darkness: I make peace, and
    create evil: I the Lord do all these
    things.
    Isaiah 45:5-7
    “Sawtawn” Is Not The Satan
    of Today’s Churches
    Let's look at the other five times in the
    Old Testament that “sawtawn” is transliterated
    into “Satan.”
    And Satan stood up against Israel,
    and provoked David to number Israel.
    And David said to Joab and to the
    rulers of the people, Go, number Israel
    from Beersheba even to Dan; and
    bring the number of them to me, that I
    may know it.
    1 Chronicles 21:1-2
    David did number the children of
    Israel. This was God's reaction:
    And God was displeased with this
    thing; therefore he smote Israel. And
    David said unto God, I have sinned
    greatly, because I have done this
    thing: but now, I beseech thee, do
    away the iniquity of thy servant; for I
    have done very foolishly.
    1 Chronicles 21:7-8
    Who did David blame for having done
    this thing? Did he give “Satan” his due?
    No, David said: “I have sinned.”
    The word “Satan” is only used in verse
    one of this passage. If it had been translated
    to the meaning of the word it would
    have said: “an ADVERSARY stood up
    against Israel, and provoked David to
    number Israel” There is nothing in the
    context here that can make this “satan”
    into a fallen angel.
    The word “Satan” is also found in
    Psalm 109:
    Set thou a wicked man over him: and
    let Satan stand at his right hand
    (referring to his enemy).
    Psalm 109:6
    David was saying, “Let an enemy of my
    enemy stand at his right hand.” That is
    all. David would not have prayed for the
    “Satan” of the churches to be his enemy's
    advisor! It hardly makes sense that David
    would want a wise and powerful
    archangel to be the advisor to his own
    enemy. No, David was really praying that
    his enemy would have an adversary or an
    enemy of his own to advise him. This
    would bring calamity upon the enemy's
    designs. David desired his enemies to
    have satans of their own in their camp.
    The last three places in the Old
    Testament where the word “Satan” is
    found are in Zechariah:
    And he shewed me Joshua the high
    priest standing before the angel of the
    Lord, and Satan standing at his right
    hand to resist him. And the Lord said
    unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, a
    Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen
    Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a
    brand plucked out of the fire?
    Zechariah 3:1-2
    There is no indication that the Satan
    here is anything like the one taught by the
    churches. He doesn't do anything except
    stand there as if he is to resist and, then,
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    he is rebuked and we hear no more about
    him.
    The margin says that the last part of
    verse one could read “an adversary” for
    the word “Satan.” The last three words “to
    resist him” should have read “to be his
    adversary” (satan). The word “resist” is
    translated from the same Chaldean word:
    “sawtawn.” It means “to resist or be an
    adversary.”
    So here in Zechariah, as in Job and I
    Chronicles 21, there is absolutely no evidence
    that this “sawtawn” or “Satan” is
    anything resembling the Satan preached
    by the churches. He is mentioned as if he
    is just standing there, it does not say he
    does anything. He is rebuked, and we
    hear no more about him.
    We've read every passage in the Old
    Testament where the Chaldean word
    “sawtawn” is used. It is either translated
    “adversary” or is transliterated into the
    word, “Satan.” Not once can it really be
    used to teach some sort of a wicked, powerful,
    omnipotent angel or some great
    enemy of God who, literally, can overpower
    mankind and (almost) God, Himself. In
    each and every case, the word names or
    describes someone who is opposed to
    someone else. In most cases the
    “sawtawn” or “Satan” is obviously a mortal
    man. In fact, he is sometimes named.
    In no case is there any indication of longlife
    or supernatural powers. It kind of
    takes the wind out of Satan's sails, wouldn't
    you think? Or, perhaps, we're just taking
    the wind out of the mouths of the false
    prophets.
    Look Who Is “A Satan”
    Before we go on, let's look at 2 Samuel,
    chapter 24 which is a repetition of the
    same story we read earlier about David
    numbering Israel:
    And again the anger of the Lord was
    kindled against Israel, and he (Satan)
    moved David against them to say, Go,
    number Israel and Judah.
    2 Samuel 24:1
    The balance of the chapter is identical
    to 1 Chronicles 21, where it says Satan
    provoked David to number Israel. The
    “Satan” of 1 Chronicles 21:1 is none other
    than God Himself being “an adversary.”
    That is the way the word is used.
    So far, the only place we could give the
    devil any due at all is in Job, where we
    read:
    So went Satan forth from the presence
    of the Lord, and smote Job with sore
    boils from the sole of his foot unto his
    crown.
    Job 2:7
    So, if we want to give the Satan of Job
    anything, according to the strict interpretation
    of what we just read, we could only
    admit one thing: that he might have given
    Job boils. Some people could probably testify
    that quite a few of us could get boils
    by taking some sort of toxins into our
    body. Doctors give people boils all the time
    by giving them injections that are bad for
    their body. Boils are nothing more than
    the body's attempt to eject something
    through the skin that is a poison to the
    body. This great Satan couldn't have done
    very much, he couldn't have much power,
    if all he could do was give Job boils.
    In Psalm 109:6 we saw that “satan”
    obviously-means “adversary.” We just
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    read three times in Zechariah where
    “sawtawn” or “Satan” was going to resist
    either the angel of the Lord or Joshua.
    The Lord rebuked him and then there is
    no further comment about him. So
    “Satan” has done nothing that would
    make him a great, powerful archangel,
    who does terrible wicked things to all the
    people of the earth. It is possible that the
    only act he ever completed was to give Job
    boils.
    In 11 cases, “sawtawn” is translated
    “adversary.” From the context in each case
    “sawtawn” simply means “an adversary”
    or “an opponent.” In two cases, the
    “sawtawn” is named as mortal men, in one
    case, he is an angel of God, and once, he is
    God himself. So “sawtawn,” as it is used in
    the Old Testament, does not and cannot be
    used to teach that there exists a great and
    powerful archangel; who goes about tearing
    souls out of the hand of God, taking
    them down to his abode in the “nether
    world” and punishing them for ever and
    ever. The word “sawtawn,” from which we
    get “Satan,” is simply not used that way.
    Yet we find, if we think for a moment,
    that this horrible creature who is the subject
    of so much fearsome preaching from
    the churches, is identical to another creature
    called “the devil”, “Lucifer” and
    “Satan” who is depicted in the movies, in
    stories and on television. It should make
    you think, for a moment, why the Satan of
    the churches is identical to the Satan
    depicted by movie makers, who do not
    believe in Christ. These antiChristian
    movie makers have come out in recent
    times with stories about how a supernatural
    being, called the devil or Satan, cohabits
    with a woman and produces a halfdevil
    child.
    Summary Of The Word
    “Sawtawn”
    Let me sum up the use of the word
    “sawtawn” in the original text. It is very
    important that you understand what we
    are discovering in this study. We must see
    what the Bible does or does not teach;
    since we are living in a time when the
    churches, and many secular people, are
    building up a great “anti-Christ,” who is
    supposed to be a certain being, who will
    rule the world. At the same time, these
    churches preach that this anti-Christ also
    rules an underworld, where billions of
    dead reside.
    We have found that 19 times in the Old
    Testament, “sawtawn” is transliterated
    “Satan.” All 19 are contained within only
    four passages. In I Chronicles 21:1 we see,
    from reading the other account, that the
    “sawtawn” here is obviously God, Himself.
    The second passage is in Job, where the
    word “Satan” is used 14 times. In Job,
    Satan is an adversary — there is no argument
    about that. The only certain thing
    he did directly was to give Job boils. In
    Psalm 109:6, the word “Satan” plainly
    means “enemy” or “adversary” - it is definitely
    not the devil of the churches. In
    Zechariah 4, whoever or whatever he is,
    he just stood there, he was rebuked, and
    that appears to be the end of him. There is
    no act accredited to him at all.
    “Sawtawn” is translated “adversary”
    seven times in the Old Testament.
    Sawtawn comes from the primary root
    word “sawtan;” which also has been translated
    in the Old Testament, as “adversary”
    five times. The first time we find
    “sawtawn” translated “adversary” is in
    Numbers 22, where the “sawtawn” was
    the angel of the Lord. In I Samuel 29:4,
    the “sawtawn” was David, himself, as an
    adversary to the Philistines. In 2 Samuel
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    19:22, the “sawtawns” are David's own
    men. In 1 Kings 5:4, Solomon said he had
    peace and there was no “sawtawn.”
    Solomon meant that there was no enemy,
    or enemy nation, against him. In 1 Kings
    11, after Solomon had turned and sinned
    against God, the word “sawtawn” (translated
    adversary) is used three times. God
    raised up “sawtawns” against Solomon.
    These “sawtawns” are named, they are
    mortal men, kings or generals of other
    nations. In Psalm 109, the word “adversaries”
    is used three times. Each time the
    word comes from the Chaldean, “sawtan”
    which has the same meaning as
    “sawtawn.” “Satan” is found only once in
    that same passage as a transliteration of
    “sawtawn” and it means “enemy.” David
    calls his wicked enemies, “my sawtawns”
    or “enemies” (plural). In that case it cannot
    possibly mean one great, wicked
    archangel. So, the amazing truth is that
    the Chaldean word “sawtawn” (and its
    root word “sawtan”) is used 31 times in
    only 11 passages in the Old Testament.
    Out of 11 passages and 31 usages of
    the words “sawtawn” and “sawtan”, there
    is only one passage where there is even an
    inkling that this “sawtawn” has any
    supernatural power. That supernatural
    power could have been, simply, giving a
    man boils. Think of what the churches tell
    us Satan is, compared to what the Bible
    does NOT say about Satan. In 10 out of 11
    times, the “sawtawn” is an angel. Six
    times it is men. One time it is something,
    or someone, who gave Job boils. It is possible
    that Job had a doctor who was an
    adversary of his and who gave him boils, I
    don't know. That is speculation on my part
    But, that is no more speculation than the
    teaching we hear about this great, wicked,
    supernatural, omniscient, omnipresent
    angel; who is all over the earth, all at the
    same time, stealing billions of souls and
    taking them down to his kingdom in the
    earth.
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  17. biggandyy

    biggandyy I am here to help...

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    dear saint, no scripture blizzards, ok?
     
  18. Buzzfruit

    Buzzfruit New Member

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    I have better things to do than to sit and read all that.




    I have better things to do than to read all that.
     
  19. Phillip

    Phillip New Member

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    satan doesn't exist, unless you mean my own lusts of the flesh, lusts of my eye and pride of life coming from within that old carnal mind of "me". There is no other "satan" but our own carnal/mortal adversity of wicked thoughts and actions against God.

    For me, the battle of armeggedon, the 'great war in Heaven' between Michael and His angels and the devil and his angels, is simply the tribulation we all go through as we preach the gospel to those who would crucify Christ in us whom we witness, and to overcome the desires of sin and evil that well up from within our old man that we buried in baptism.
    Christ, as my Conquering King, is conquering sin and death in me now today, just as He has been within His believers down through time in the Kingdom of God for the last 2000 years.

    That's what it means :)
     
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    "Satan's seat" aka "the synagogue of satan" is always the murderers of Christ, the non-believing Jews. Wherever the non-believing Jews sit is "satan's seat". (not some place in turkey lol!)

    Look...

    Here is who Jesus is speaking of;

    (Rev 2:9) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.


    (Rev 2:13)
    I know thy works, and where thou dwellest,
    where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was

    my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
     
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