Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

[savedbygrace1]

Hasn't everyone noticed that savedbygrace1 is nothing but confrontational? He keeps threatening to leave. I hope he does so soon so that we can continue to have interesting, reasonable discussions without him.

All I am seeing in this thread, is people making pat statements that are not reflected in their life or anyone elses. If you call that interesting and reasonable discussion I would have to disagree with you

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Grace, Faith in Jesus is your righteousness before God you have no righteousness of obeying the law, how's that?

What is grace?
What is faith?

 

[savedbygrace1]

What is grace?
What is faith?

I've just told you. Grace, is a righteousness of faith in Christ, not one of obeying the law

 

[Jim B]

You really need to stop grabbing a verse of scripture in isolation, you will not understand the context if you do:
Romans 3:31, that verse is part of a much larger section of verses. Reading a verse in isolation, without verses associated with it, can give a misleading understanding of the verse:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith inh]">[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,i]">[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith(righteousness of faith)? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. 20-31



In the above section, of which verse 31 is included, Paul states no one will declared righteous in God’s sight by works of the law/obeying the law. Believers have a righteousness apart from law. A believer’s righteousness is faith in Christ. Boasting is excluded, because a person is not justified/righteous by law but by faith(in Christ) apart from the law.

Now what would many of Paul’s readers have thought when reading the above? The same as many on this website it seems would think. ‘Well if we have righteousness apart from the law, we can act however we like, and ignore the good and Holy laws of God.’ And so, Paul, knowing many would come to that conclusion, finished the chapter with verse 31

Paul’s view was the complete opposite of what many believe. To him, if you live by a righteousness of faith in Christ, not one of obeying the law, you will not nullify, or make void the law, but rather you will uphold it, or establish it.

So to accept Paul’s message concerning this subject, two questions need to be asked

1) Why, if a believer has no righteousness of obeying the law is this not a licence to sin?

2) Why, if you live under a righteousness of faith in Christ, rather than one of obeying the law, will this result in you upholding, or establishing the law?

Only a carnal mind would misinterpret Scripture like you have. Why don't you leave, as you have promised?

 

[Episkopos]

I've just told you. Grace, is a righteousness of faith in Christ, not one of obeying the law

Grace is God's power given to us to walk as Jesus walked...without sin...holy and blameless...a Bride without spot or wrinkle.

The only way there is by faith.

Those who walk in resurrection life are not affected by sin and death.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Only a carnal mind would misinterpret Scripture like you have. Why don't you leave, as you have promised?

Interesting, when you first read the post you have responded to here you stated: Great post.
Best not to be double minded

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You really need to stop grabbing a verse of scripture in isolation, you will not understand the context if you do:
Romans 3:31, that verse is part of a much larger section of verses. Reading a verse in isolation, without verses associated with it, can give a misleading understanding of the verse:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith inh]">[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,i]">[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith(righteousness of faith)? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. 20-31



In the above section, of which verse 31 is included, Paul states no one will declared righteous in God’s sight by works of the law/obeying the law. Believers have a righteousness apart from law. A believer’s righteousness is faith in Christ. Boasting is excluded, because a person is not justified/righteous by law but by faith(in Christ) apart from the law.

Now what would many of Paul’s readers have thought when reading the above? The same as many on this website it seems would think. ‘Well if we have righteousness apart from the law, we can act however we like, and ignore the good and Holy laws of God.’ And so, Paul, knowing many would come to that conclusion, finished the chapter with verse 31

Paul’s view was the complete opposite of what many believe. To him, if you live by a righteousness of faith in Christ, not one of obeying the law, you will not nullify, or make void the law, but rather you will uphold it, or establish it.

So to accept Paul’s message concerning this subject, two questions need to be asked

1) Why, if a believer has no righteousness of obeying the law is this not a licence to sin?

2) Why, if you live under a righteousness of faith in Christ, rather than one of obeying the law, will this result in you upholding, or establishing the law?

Chapter 3 of Romans is in the middle of an eight chapter teaching. Romans 3:31 shows that what was previously written about the law in this chapter doesn't mean we break the law now that we are no longer under it. In Romans 6 Paul speaks to those who believe as you do.

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I've just told you. Grace, is a righteousness of faith in Christ, not one of obeying the law

And when you have the righteousness of faith in Christ, do you act righteously? Are you yourself righteous if you continue in sinful ways of the world?

Don't you know that a Christian sinner is an oxymoron?

 

[savedbygrace1]

Chapter 3 of Romans is in the middle of an eight chapter teaching. Romans 3:31 shows that what was previously written about the law in this chapter doesn't mean we break the law now that we are no longer under it. In Romans 6 Paul speaks to those who believe as you do.

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

My oh my.
In those verses Paul states, No one will be declared righteous in God's sight by obeying the law. The believer has a righteousness apart from law, one of faith in Christ. There can be no boasting for believers are not justified by the works of the law.
Now what would some of Pauls readers have thought when reading his statements? Just what you think:
‘Well if we have righteousness apart from the law, we can act however we like, and ignore the good and Holy laws of God.’ And so, Paul, knowing many would come to that conclusion, finished the chapter with verse 31
Its a pity you cant grasp the message

 

[savedbygrace1]

And when you have the righteousness of faith in Christ, do you act righteously? Are you yourself righteous if you continue in sinful ways of the world?

What do you mean by sinful ways?
Failing to perfectly obey the law?
Live a lifestyle of sin?
Please define what you mean

 

[1stCenturyLady]

My oh my.
In those verses Paul states, No one will be declared righteous in God's sight by obeying the law. The believer has a righteousness apart from law, one of faith in Christy. There can be no boasting for believers are not justified by the works of the law.
Now what would some of Pauls readers have thought when reading his statements? Just what you think:
‘Well if we have righteousness apart from the law, we can act however we like, and ignore the good and Holy laws of God.’ And so, Paul, knowing many would come to that conclusion, finished the chapter with verse 31
Its a pity you cant grasp the message

The LAW is Old Covenant. We are not under the Old Covenant, thus no longer under the written law on engraved stones. We are under the law of the Spirit. Does the Spirit make us murder, steal, lie, commit adultery, etc. Is that what you think someone who believes in Jesus can do now?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

What do you mean by sinful ways?
Failing to perfectly obey the law?
Live a lifestyle of sin?
Please define what you mean

Read #439

 

[savedbygrace1]

The LAW is Old Covenant. We are not under the Old Covenant, thus no longer under the written law on engraved stones. We are under the law of the Spirit. Does the Spirit make us murder, steal, lie, commit adultery, etc. Is that what you think someone who believes in Jesus can do now?

The law/what is written in the law has not been abolished, only righteousness of obeying the law is abolished. The law is now in believers hearts and minds. You fail to grasp what that means. You can go through various lists of sin if you choose, but discernment should show you, a believer will not be sinless in the flesh. Neither will they go around killing people

 

[savedbygrace1]

Read #439

Just tell me

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The law/what is written in the law has not been abolished, only righteousness of obeying the law is abolished. The law is now in believers hearts and minds. You fail to grasp what that means. You can go through various lists of sin if you choose, but discernment should show you, a believer will not be sinless in the flesh. Neither will they go around killing people

Is a Christian "in" the flesh? Romans 8:9

 

[amigo de christo]

What is grace?
What is faith?

Here lets give the biblical definition .
For the Grace of GOD which brings salvation has appeared to all , TEACHING US TO DENY , TO DENY , TO DENY
ALL ungodliness and wordly lusts and to be living and walking RIGHTEOUSLY , soberly and godly in this persent world
as we hasten unto the coming of the glorious LORD .
Grace , IF ITS TRUE GRACE would BE TEACHING US something . WOULDNT IT .........
exactly . SO WHY does todays version of grace teach us , OH YE MAY SIN and DO EVIL , ALL IS WELL
YE UNDER GRACE .................THAT AINT GRACE , AT ALL .

 

[savedbygrace1]

Is a Christian "in" the flesh?

So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want

A baptist minister of 50 years stated:
If we all followed after the Holy Spirit every minute of our lives we would never commit sin, the reality of which escapes us all

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Here lets give the biblical definition .
For the Grace of GOD which brings salvation has appeared to all , TEACHING US TO DENY , TO DENY , TO DENY
ALL ungodliness and wordly lusts and to be living and walking RIGHTEOUSLY , soberly and godly in this persent world
as we hasten unto the coming of the glorious LORD .
Grace , IF ITS TRUE GRACE would BE TEACHING US something . WOULDNT IT .........
exactly . SO WHY does todays version of grace teach us , OH YE MAY SIN and DO EVIL , ALL IS WELL
YE UNDER GRACE .................THAT AINT GRACE , AT ALL .

ROFL

Love it!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want

A baptist minister of 50 years stated:
If we all followed after the Holy Spirit every minute of our lives we would never commit sin, the reality of which escapes us all

He is right. But you don't believe him.

 

[amigo de christo]

ROFL

Love it!

AND ITS THE BIBLCAL VERSION OF GRACE , FOUND IN TITUS chapter TWO i think around verse eleven or fourteen .
FOLKS NEED TO OPEN BIBLES is all i can say .