YOU are the one who called God a liar. Pity you on Judgment Day!
Did God have 400 prophet's lied to by a deceiving Spirit to get Ahab or not?
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YOU are the one who called God a liar. Pity you on Judgment Day!
Jesus is an heir of God and in Hebrews 1:2 it says that Jesus is heir of all things. That is, all things that the Father has. Since the Father has divinity, Jesus is now divine.
Correction, Jesus was always divine
1 Corinthians 11:3
The Voice
3 But it is important that you understand this about headship: the Anointed One is the head of every man, the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of the Anointed.
NOTE: It is not the Father, but God in his unitarian nature that is head of the Anointed.
Regarding 'before the creation of all things he existed' Jesus was the firstborn of all creation - and begotten, which means created.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 1:15
From Definition of BEGET. Definition of beget
transitive verb
1 : to procreate as the father
2. to produce especially as an effect or outgrowth
If you don't believe in the eternal deity of Jesus you don't believe in the same Jesus as the rest of us.
Appeal to Majority. Well, see that doesn't matter one little bit because REALITY does not depend what you believe it is.
What fascinates me is that despite overwhelming evidence, trinitarians cannot even admit there is ANY strong Scripturally based reasons to reject the trinity. If Jesus were God, 1 Corinthians 11:3 would not state God is the head of his Anointed. The pretzel rationalizations are amazing.
You made a thread to prove something.
Is that because you doubt your own premise?
You made a thread to prove something.
Is that because you doubt your own premise?
Not God as in the infinite Creator,
But God as in God's perfect will laws WORD and justice embodied in man.
I relate most to Jesus in terms of authority of law and Justice to apply to secular gentiles under natural laws.
I understand a lot more people like JW who do not see Jesus as God reject Christians who teach this.
I believe both folds are governed by Jesus as the One Lord over all laws.
So I equally understand what people mean by the Trinity, and what they mean and don't mean.
And also understand what people mean, and don't mean, by objecting to how this is taught.
Over and over again, I hear one side say
But what you said sounds contrary to this.
And the other side says either
But that isn't what I mean
And what you said sounds contrary to that.
Am I the only one here okay with
each person seeing and saying this in different ways?
And trusting it's the same God
that we may express in different ways.
The differences just tell me to be more careful and talk with each person where we understand the same terms that mean the same things, so it does NOT cause this confusion!
Only if you are united to Christ thru baptismSo are we.
we have been reborn into a living hope— 4 reborn for an eternal inheritance, held in reserve in heaven, that will never fade or fail.
1 Peter 1:3-4
Christ is eternally begottenBegotten means brought into being or existence. Mo•no•ge•nes', from mo'nos, meaning “only,” and gi'no•mai, a root word meaning “to generate,” “to become (come into being),” states Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance.
Christ is eternally begotten
Not because they reject the fact that Jesus was God in human flesh as SCripture teaches, but because they reject the biblical fact that jesus rose form the dead in the same body He lived in. This keeps thm out of the kingdom!
Where does Scripture say you must believe these things to be in the kingdom? It doesn't.
Romans 10.
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
You think that verse justifies your claims huh?
There are many lords in the Bible. Lord. LORD. Both are not God. Only the LORD is God. Jesus is not God and not the LORD but he is a lord of the Bible.
Clearly, you are reaching.
why do you call yourself a Christian if you reject teh gospel that Jeus died for you and rose again as the only means of salvation?
Yes I am reaching. to try to pull you out of the mire of deception someone threw you in and now you believe.
You think that verse justifies your claims huh?
There are many lords in the Bible. Lord. LORD. Both are not God. Only the LORD is God. Jesus is not God and not the LORD but he is a lord of the Bible.
Clearly, you are reaching.
The closest they get to the deity of Jesus is by deification after death. Like Herakles from the father Zeus.If you don't believe in the eternal deity of Jesus you don't believe in the same Jesus as the rest of us.