Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #5, Book of Acts

[Wrangler]

you would know that jesus was declared God in the book of acts

I’ve demonstrated REPEATEDLY how Acts logically states Jesus is not God. You have not quoted one verse supporting your claim.

 

[Wrangler]

2. As for 1 + 1 + 1 = 3
There are other situations that can reflect a similar relationship:
1 Judicial system + 1 Legislative system + 1 Executive branch = 1 Federal Government

You have repeatedly reached for an arbitrary division of 3 to support you doctrine that is not in Scripture. And it is so easy to refute.

The federation, the Federal government was formed by 13 States.

 

[Wrangler]

I will share some Parables and explanations with you, and you can tell me if that approach makes more sense than anything to do with the Trinity teachings or calling Jesus God.

There are other approaches that might make sense to more people who don't see God that way.

The reason your suggested approach makes no sense whatsoever is that it concedes the field of the monotheist nature of God, which many Christians hold, which does not violate the 1C.

 

[Wrangler]

You definitely have a certain audience to address ... that you don't relate to. That will only cause frustration and doesn't help anyone.

You have it backwards. No one is obligated to post in threads they don’t relate to.

(I am not starting these threads to relate to trinitarians but to support non-trinitarian Christians).

 

[Emily Nghiem]

You have repeatedly reached for an arbitrary division of 3 to support you doctrine that is not in Scripture. And it is so easy to refute.

The federation, the Federal government was formed by 13 States.

Dear @Wrangler
The relationship between 13 to 50 states to the Union is more like the relationship between:
* Denominations of Christianity all under ONE Faith in God through Christ
* Different religious tribes (Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu etc) all under God's laws as Universal for all people regardless of local tribe


A. Do you want to discuss the three levels of
God the Father as Creator
Jesus the Son or Word of God
Holy Spirit the Comforter or peace of God

B. OR do you want to discuss the relationships between diverse tribes, and how all people or groups connect with God?

I thought you wanted to resolve the issue of how people present the three as one.

Do you want to finish resolving that first?

The other issue will take up an entirely different discussion.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Having the Spirit of God in us, are we too not divine, which is why we are called children of God?

Jesus is not divine but, like us, has divinity within him.

Sorry we do not have divinity within us- We have God living within us. We are but a temple for Him.

Jesus is called God in the bible- You should as well.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Reiterating the assertion does not make it so. Jesus is no kind of God. Being the Son, means one is not the Father.

The Father alone is God alone.

‘For us, there is one God, the Father’
1 Corinthians 8:6

I pity you, you reinterpret Scriptures to promote a lie that has ensnared you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I’ve demonstrated REPEATEDLY how Acts logically states Jesus is not God. You have not quoted one verse supporting your claim.

You only say that because you are ignorant of how Jews used wordsa and the significance of the terms used in the culture of the day!

 

[Wrangler]

Sorry we do not have divinity within us- We have God living within us. We are but a temple for Him.

Not sure how you are parsing God with divinity in us.

Jesus is called God in the bible- You should as well.

Jesus is not called God in the Bible because he is not his Father. Said differently, the Bible says through the Serpent that man can be like God in eating the forbidden fruit. Calling the fruit the pathway to divinity does not make it so.

 

[Wrangler]

You only say that because you are ignorant of how Jews used wordsa and the significance of the terms used in the culture of the day!

Again, the EXACT OPPOSITE is the case. Trinitarians impose their 4th century doctrine onto unitarian text. A way to know you are wrong is that Jews are monotheist and reject the trinity to this day.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Again, the EXACT OPPOSITE is the case. Trinitarians impose their 4th century doctrine onto unitarian text. A way to know you are wrong is that Jews are monotheist and reject the trinity to this day.

Dear @Wrangler
All people are made in the image of God as
Body Mind and Soul.

It is our understanding of God that evolves.

The Jewish people who receive Jesus see this as Fulfilling the Jewish laws and teachings.

Eventually all laws and lineages will see and receive Jesus as fulfilling and governing all.

I am not sure where you see yourself or others in this process.

The main differences you pointed out:
* you do not use the term God to mean infinite or eternal but you see God as finite
* you do not see Jesus as closer to the level of God, but see Jesus closer to the level of man (where we can all embrace/follow the spirit of God as Jesus did)
* you reject and do not see "Trinity" teachings as another way of explaining God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit

I don't think this needs to be a fight.

Why can't each person decide the best way to describe the meaning and message to make sense and apply to their path in life?

 

[BobVance]

I pity you, you reinterpret Scriptures to promote a lie that has ensnared you.

I wonder if Wrangler is a JW, I’m not saying he is but he sounds a lot like one.
In John 20:28, after Jesus revealed himself to Thomas, Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God”. Jesus would have rebuked Thomas if he wasn’t indeed Almighty God. Just my thoughts on this issue. Blessings.

 

[APAK]

I wonder if Wrangler is a JW, I’m not saying he is but he sounds a lot like one.
In John 20:28, after Jesus revealed himself to Thomas, Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God”. Jesus would have rebuked Thomas if he wasn’t indeed Almighty God. Just my thoughts on this issue. Blessings.

BV: you've read his posts and replied to him and you suggest he might be a JW. Short-sighted of you.

And Jesus would have rebuked Thomas for calling his Master, and God, the Father Almighty? LOL
Yahshua knew that Thomas finally realized and believed after his inspection, what was first said before his crucifixion that Yahshua would be raised from the dead by his Father, the one true God. Why would Yahshua rebuke Thomas for that? He welcomed it with joy. Thomas believed!

No, @Wrangler is a true Christian Monotheist Biblical Unitarian, a rare breed these days, although a common breed before 400 AD. Then pagans and worldly politics and power crept in and persecuted and scattered the Christians of the same cloth as the original disciples.

These spiritual forgers invented a counterfeit religion with their idolization of their golden cow as a non-descrip-Triune god a few centuries later.

I guess you are one, as Ron and others are also, all worshipping the same god forged by the minds and hands of godless men.

APAK

 

[Emily Nghiem]

I wonder if Wrangler is a JW, I’m not saying he is but he sounds a lot like one.
In John 20:28, after Jesus revealed himself to Thomas, Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God”. Jesus would have rebuked Thomas if he wasn’t indeed Almighty God. Just my thoughts on this issue. Blessings.

He did not insist on Jehovah or preach that God or Lord is a title.
The JW also call the Holy Spirit God's Active Force, and interpret Michael to be Jesus.

 

[BobVance]

BV: you've read his posts and replied to him and you suggest he might be a JW. Short-sighted of you.

And Jesus would have rebuked Thomas for calling his Master, and God, the Father Almighty? LOL
Yahshua knew that Thomas finally realized and believed after his inspection, what was first said before his crucifixion that Yahshua would be raised from the dead by his Father, the one true God. Why would Yahshua rebuke Thomas for that? He welcomed it with joy. Thomas believed!

No, @Wrangler is a true Christian Monotheist Biblical Unitarian, a rare breed these days, although a common breed before 400 AD. Then pagans and worldly politics and power crept in and persecuted and scattered the Christians of the same cloth as the original disciples.

These spiritual forgers invented a counterfeit religion with their idolization of their golden cow as a non-descrip-Triune god a few centuries later.

I guess you are one, as Ron and others are also, all worshipping the same god forged by the minds and hands of godless men.

APAK

So Thomas was correct when he called Jesus God, right?

 

[BobVance]

BV: you've read his posts and replied to him and you suggest he might be a JW. Short-sighted of you.

And Jesus would have rebuked Thomas for calling his Master, and God, the Father Almighty? LOL
Yahshua knew that Thomas finally realized and believed after his inspection, what was first said before his crucifixion that Yahshua would be raised from the dead by his Father, the one true God. Why would Yahshua rebuke Thomas for that? He welcomed it with joy. Thomas believed!

No, @Wrangler is a true Christian Monotheist Biblical Unitarian, a rare breed these days, although a common breed before 400 AD. Then pagans and worldly politics and power crept in and persecuted and scattered the Christians of the same cloth as the original disciples.

These spiritual forgers invented a counterfeit religion with their idolization of their golden cow as a non-descrip-Triune god a few centuries later.

I guess you are one, as Ron and others are also, all worshipping the same god forged by the minds and hands of godless men.

APAK

What is their “golden cow”, at least in your opinion?

 

[APAK]

What is their “golden cow”, at least in your opinion?

I'll tell you what BV, see if can be the first to respond to the OP. What is your take on Acts 1:3, 7 and Acts 4: 7, 10, 24, 27 and 30? Can you demonstrate your knowledge of this scripture even as a summary of short statements?

So as far as answering your query outright at this time, I will just play a bit at this point by saying something that you already know. You know that a cow is all grown up and not a calf anymore....and we know what happened to the calf, right?

Stay on track and answer the OP first.

thanks

APAK

 

[Wrangler]

The main differences you pointed out:
* you do not use the term God to mean infinite or eternal but you see God as finite
* you do not see Jesus as closer to the level of God, but see Jesus closer to the level of man (where we can all embrace/follow the spirit of God as Jesus did)
* you reject and do not see "Trinity" teachings as another way of explaining God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit

It's not about me. It's about invalid ideas, e.g., the trinity and applying infinity to actual existents, square circles.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not sure how you are parsing God with divinity in us.



Jesus is not called God in the Bible because he is not his Father. Said differently, the Bible says through the Serpent that man can be like God in eating the forbidden fruit. Calling the fruit the pathway to divinity does not make it so.

someone said we have divinity within us and I was just explaining what the bible says about it.

But the devil lied to Eve. god didn't lie to us when He inspired John 1:1.

What do you think these following verses mean, for you obviously do not accept them as written.

John 1:1
King James Version

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Philippians 2:6
King James Version

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:


1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Revelation 1:7-11
King James Version

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

cross reference to:

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:11-13
King James Version

11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.


I await what you think God is trying to say in these passages other than what is simply written.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Again, the EXACT OPPOSITE is the case. Trinitarians impose their 4th century doctrine onto unitarian text. A way to know you are wrong is that Jews are monotheist and reject the trinity to this day.

they also reject jesus as the Messiah to this day- so that must make Jesus not the Messiah by this line of logic. But why do teh super majority of jews who do get saved recognize the trinity in the Scriptures? Brainwashing?

I invite you to read this and refute it.

MBS_Master (arielcontent.org)