When I wrote my first manuscript or book... since i published it on my web site for anyone to read for free... I had attempted to align the trumpets with events with scripture that displayed a direct contact with certain eventss and could not validate any direct connection. With that i did not try to place a prophecy within the sounding of a trumpet. All theologians I have conversed with have been unsuccessful in showing me that this can be done with absolute certainty. Now if you have a way to make certain the span of time between trumps sounding and prophecies fulfilled... i am interested.
Where in all of our Lord's Book of Revelation did He specifically give 3 Woe periods attached to anything else other than the last 3 Trumpets?
If you fail to understand that, then you will have a difficult time understanding that the 7 Trumpets all occur in order, like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.
Then it's a simple matter of rightly dividing the timeline structure of the 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe period all the way to the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe period.
Apparently, because our Lord Jesus did attach 3 Woe periods with those last 3 trumpets and not with any of the other seals, trumpets or vials, then He was attaching special importance to the events of those last 3 trumpets.
Hi Vet, It continuously amazes me how much "assumption" you can put into the bible and state affirmatively, "thus saith the Lord"! There are a few assumptions in your reply.
You're mocking again. That's not going to help others to listen to what you have to say. It's nothing but speech clutter. And this time you've including LIBEL, because I've never attached any such, "thus saith the Lord" to what I've written here on this forum. So you just told a LIE. That's not going to help others to listen to what you have to say either.
1. Your words:"
Once again, the Dan.9:27 verse divides that "one week" (7 years) period in half."
Yes, it can be interpreted that way but it can also be interpreted another way.
No, that division in the middle of the one week of Dan.9:27 is... the only way to interpret it. Hebrew 'chetsiy' specifically is about a half, middle, two parts. It's even the Hebrew word used for 'mid' in 'midnight'. So the rest of what you said about it is irrelevant.
2. Your words:"Coupled with that timing is the 3.5 years the saints are given into the hand of the false one of Daniel."
Dan. 12:1 by use of the word "nation" is speaking specifically of Israel, not the church in general.
Dan 12:1
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was
a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
(KJV)
You're wrong again. That phrase "such as never was since there was a nation" is about the idea of ANY nation in general. It is NOT a specific pointer to the nation of Israel.
Now then, just who are Daniel's people per that? Definitely Israel. But WHICH Israel? Flesh seed only? Of course not, which is WHY... what our Lord Jesus taught about that event in His Olivet Discourse cannot simply be thrown out when interpreting that Dan.12:1 verse, which is obviously what you've wrongly... been taught to do.
You're doing that reveals something else too. It reveals how you're heeding men's doctrines instead of the simplicity of the Scripture as written. You've obviously got a 'that's the seed of Israel only' Dispensationalist type mentality going on there that by design is used to support the Pre-Wrath theory you're on. That kind of junk is not going to help you're Bible understanding.
3. Your words:"That 42 months is the same timing the dragon is given power over Christ's saints per Rev.13."
No, the scripture does not say that! It says in Rev. 13:5 that "power was given him to "continue" (exercise authority) forty two months". For part of that timeframe "it is given to make war with the saints and overcome them, etc." Nowhere does it imply he is given 42 months over christians!
This is getting tiresome. Read the Scripture again...
Rev 13:5-7
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;
and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
(KJV)
I'm not going to get into stupid arguments about what words like "continue" means. You've obviously got a HUGE problem with denying the coming tribulation God's Word has already said will be upon His Church here on earth just PRIOR to Christ's return.
(For others reading this: I really feel like I'm talking more to a Pre-Tribulational Rapture believer than somone who holds to the Pre-Wrath Rapture, which is an oxymoron term. How? The phrase 'pre-wrath' should only point to the position of Christ gathering His Church AFTER the tribulation but just PRIOR to His pouring out His cup of wrath upon the wicked at His return, and not a rapture prior to the Antichrist's time of tribulation upon the saints.)
Here's the same messages about that trib time upon the saints in Daniel as in Rev.13...
Dan 7:21-22
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
(KJV)
Dan 7:25-27
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
(KJV)
Tribulations begins with setting of the corner stone of the temple. Time within Tribulations is required for Israel to think it is in peace and can do away with their defenses... for when they think they live in safety... Now, if one attempts to condense off the events of Tribulation into a 3 1/2 year period that time to feel dafe just does not exist.
That part's true, there's two halves, two 1260 day periods with a division in the middle. It's the latter half that's about false messiah's reign though.
When you consider th two witnesses being the start of Tribulation and Tribulation lasting only 3 1/2 years then you must put the witnesses dying at Armageddon then 3 1/2 days AFTER Armageddon they rise in front of their enemies.. but wait... their enemies will have been destroyed at Armageddon... how and why woul these enemies exchnge gifts??? Tribulation lasting 3 1/2 years id simply NOT POSSIBLE! So... you do not really think Tribulation lasts 3 1/2 years you think it is " about ' 3 1/2 years... hmmmm
Problem is, the two witnesses being raised, the great earthquake in Jerusalem, 7,000 slain there, and Armageddon (day of The Lord timing) all occur with the space of that "same hour" Rev.11:13 verse mentions. If you look closely at the last Vial of Rev.16, that's the time of Armageddon, and Christ's return to gather us. Deeper study in the OT prophets helps cement that timeline understanding, because God said that final event of this present world on the day of the Lord will occur at an instant. How fast can you turn a bottle up-side down with its contents poured out? That's one of the ideas in Isaiah God used about that event that ends this world of today.
The "same hour" phrase in Rev.11:13 is given why? It's to show us that event though those events in Rev.11 leading up to our Lord's return are written in a spread out fashion, it doesn't mean a long time is required for those events to happen.
I think Tribulations is 7 years... 7 years EXACTLY! There is exactly 1,290 days from the Abomination of Desolation to the taking away of the Daily Sacrifice... the Daily Sacrifice is taken away exactly 30 days before the setting of the corner stone fot the new Temple. from the setting of the corner stone to the committing of the Abomination of Desolation is exactly 1,260 days. These time increments are given in God's Word. From the time the Dail Sacrifice begins to the cleansing of the temple is exactly 2300 days. These time spans and their relationship to one another is easily found in my calendar.
Hate to burst your bubble, but our Lord Jesus specifically said the time would be shortened for His elect's sake (Matt.24; Mark 13). We can still use the 7 years timeline to study the events, but the literal time has been shortened per our Lord Jesus.