Should Christians Support Donald Trump?

[Brakelite]

One has to wonder why Kennedy was suddenly removed from office, and his brother prevented from being elected President. Perhaps the Lord could see that the Christian church would be harmed in such a way by their policies that were not acceptable to Him. Who knows?

Kennedy was assassinated for a couple of reasons. Kennedy's plans were antagonistic to the Vatican, despite his being Catholic. The first, his desire to scrap the federal reserve and print host own notes. The second, was not refrain from escalating the war in Vietnam and prop up the Catholic family that ruled the place.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Kennedy was assassinated for a couple of reasons. Kennedy's plans were antagonistic to the Vatican, despite his being Catholic. The first, his desire to scrap the federal reserve and print host own notes. The second, was not refrain from escalating the war in Vietnam and prop up the Catholic family that ruled the place.

Men's logic is fallible. Have you considered GOD's perspective in conjunction with History?


Bobby Jo

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Kennedy was assassinated for a couple of reasons. Kennedy's plans were antagonistic to the Vatican, despite his being Catholic. The first, his desire to scrap the federal reserve and print host own notes. The second, was not refrain from escalating the war in Vietnam and prop up the Catholic family that ruled the place.

I would say that the major banking mob just had a good plan in place for advancing the 3rd world and to work such to there benefit as any business would do, so they said look we have to deal with some Communist in one way for our plans, so the communist have to play the game as directed and if things get out of hand, well they will push for war. as they hold all the cards, it's much the way that a casino works, they are playing everyone and everyone in the casino are schmucks.

They say, Look we need the communist fools for the games play, as they are useful idiots in the game play.
You play everyone and the casino wins every time and anyone who starts messing with the casino is dealt with.
There is only a hand full of people who control the whole world, Presidents or leaders of country's are nothing but puppets.
The Rothschild's family owns half the world. what is the President of the USA to them, just nothing ! there is nothing that such a one could do, not even if every person in the USA wanted to try and deal with just this family, they would not have a hope in the world.
You know if Hitler was to say take on Switzerland he would be attacked directly by every other Nation in the world regardless be they on his side and within Germany as well directly.
Money is the God of this world and whoever controls such is a Lord of the Casino and we seen Pope Francis go grovelling to that Lord of the Casino like a toothless pleasure dog. just like a mongrel mutt that he truly is.

 

[Bobby Jo]

To All,

There's an old expression about "opinions are like" but I can't remember how it ends, something about "assume" or something similar. -- Maybe I've confused two sayings together ...


Personally, I prefer to know the TRUTH of a matter, but it's a rare commodity -- especially in these parts.
Bobby

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The bottom line is that Donald Trump is the elected President of the United States. Because I am not a United States Citizen and don't live there, I don't have to submit to his authority. But I am bound to submit to the authority of our Prime Minister and those government officials, including the police, who act in her name.

But if I went for a holiday to the United States, I am bound to abide by United States laws while I am there, and because Donald Trump is President, then United States law is enacted in his name as long as he holds the office of President. If I went around advertising that I think he is a jerk and I am not going to support him or obey his laws, I would be shunted out of the country as fast as they could get me to the nearest airport. It is not because I might not like him personally, but that he is currently the President, and I would be deported because I would be slagging off the President of the United States.

Also, I would have to repent before God for rebelling against the authority that He has instituted in the United States, because I would effectively rebelling against Him, because the President is acting in His name in the country. This does not mean that God is going to be happy with the way he performs his official role, and if he does things that could really harm the church, God can quite freely remove him. The President has a responsibility before God to administer his role righteously, and will have to give an account at the judgment for the way he did it.

It is interesting that FDR died before his time. I link his deteriorating health and premature death to the fact that Hitler offered the United States 50,000 Hungarian Jews for one dollar each if the U.S. would take them. FDR turned him down, and those 50,000 Jews went to the gas chambers. God did not forget that, and it is quite probable that He removed FDR from office.

One has to wonder why Kennedy was suddenly removed from office, and his brother prevented from being elected President. Perhaps the Lord could see that the Christian church would be harmed in such a way by their policies that were not acceptable to Him. Who knows?

If you don't like the President of the USA and you went their, it means nothing and he could not kick you out just for that, you would have to of broke the Law to be kicked out.

Even Simon Wisenthal said that their was no gas chambers where he was. most Jews died due to the working conditions and falling into ill health and some were shot.

God can not remove anyone or put anyone into power at all. if such as you claim was true then God could of put Jesus up into worldly power over all and all of the Jews would of followed him with no Cross or flogging and all.

Or why not of just made Moses the leader of Egypt. no God never did any such thing.

God never made any the Leadership in any Nations ever in this world, he never put them in such a position.
God says that you will reap what you sow.
Jesus said forgive them for they know not what they do, but that was all of them that did not know ? some did know who he was and sure as hell did not want him to come in fact. they were happy with the position that they were in.
The world reaps what it sows and all through history we see this, just look at the Jews BC they failed every time they turned their backs on God, every time ! and only were justified when they were with God, now if anyone is against Jesus Christ they are condemned as they do not have the Holy Spirit, so they are not a Light in the world but or darkness.
I don't think that any leader of this world was a truly born again Christian, let alone doing the will of God.
Not to mention that anyone who claims to be a Jew is under a curse.
God Cursed the fig tree because it was not bearing fruit, now do the so called Jews of today bear fruit ? but to bear fruit one has to come to the King of Israel, Nathaniel was the greats Israelite ever and he knew Jesus directly was the Christ and what was it that Jesus said he would see.
Now if one rejects that Jesus Christ is not the King of Israel who are they then, well they are of Satan in fact.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

So you don't really believe that God is Lord over all His creation, including Satan and demons, and that Paul is mistaken when he said that ALL authority is instituted by God?

All one has to do is to read history to find out that the United Nations instructed Britain to oversee the return of the holocaust Jews back to their homeland in Palestine, but the British went against that and used their navy to blockade Palestine, refusing boatloads of Jews from being able to enter Palestinian ports. Read it for yourself instead of trying to convince me that 1 plus 1 = 3.

If Paul writing by direct inspiration from the Holy Spirit says that we should submit to ALL authority because it has been instituted by God, then I believe him rather than the opinions of those who decide to read stuff into the Bible that isn't there.

Hey I like your little black and white pussy cat.

All Authority in Christianity is as to God, but as Jesus said he is not of this world ? so the fact remains is that we have to become truly born again and in that we are in the Kingdom of God. outside of that it's the Devils world and his domain.
When Christians over come this world then the Kingdom of God will is done.

The United Nations is of Satan it is not of God at all, in fact it's not claiming to be Christian at all. it is a mans works thing so it will fail badly.

 

[Paul Christensen]

If you don't like the President of the USA and you went their, it means nothing and he could not kick you out just for that, you would have to of broke the Law to be kicked out.

Even Simon Wisenthal said that their was no gas chambers where he was. most Jews died due to the working conditions and falling into ill health and some were shot.

God can not remove anyone or put anyone into power at all. if such as you claim was true then God could of put Jesus up into worldly power over all and all of the Jews would of followed him with no Cross or flogging and all.

Or why not of just made Moses the leader of Egypt. no God never did any such thing.

God never made any the Leadership in any Nations ever in this world, he never put them in such a position.
God says that you will reap what you sow.
Jesus said forgive them for they know not what they do, but that was all of them that did not know ? some did know who he was and sure as hell did not want him to come in fact. they were happy with the position that they were in.
The world reaps what it sows and all through history we see this, just look at the Jews BC they failed every time they turned their backs on God, every time ! and only were justified when they were with God, now if anyone is against Jesus Christ they are condemned as they do not have the Holy Spirit, so they are not a Light in the world but or darkness.
I don't think that any leader of this world was a truly born again Christian, let alone doing the will of God.
Not to mention that anyone who claims to be a Jew is under a curse.
God Cursed the fig tree because it was not bearing fruit, now do the so called Jews of today bear fruit ? but to bear fruit one has to come to the King of Israel, Nathaniel was the greats Israelite ever and he knew Jesus directly was the Christ and what was it that Jesus said he would see.
Now if one rejects that Jesus Christ is not the King of Israel who are they then, well they are of Satan in fact.

So Paul is lying when he says:
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, the one who resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves" (Romans 13:1-2)

If all else fails, read the Bible!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

So Paul is lying when he says:
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, the one who resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves" (Romans 13:1-2)

If all else fails, read the Bible!

Yes read your Bible, see it says for there is no authority except that which God has established ? That God has established ! see that it is talking about what God has established ? now has everything to do with what God has established ? No ! So if one goes against God then is it's Gods will ? No !

And such an authority was established by God. Consequently such who do not regard what God has set in place are of Satan and we have such a power nowadays that is working to undermine such. not to mention always had such who work to undermine God even back in the OT we see that, how about the Golden Calf for one.

So the Devil is in the detail with such as Hitler and such people are not to be looked up to as an authority, they should be exposed for what their works truly were and let it be a warning to the people not to go down or be lead down such a path as any Satanist peddles.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Yes read your Bible, see it says for there is no authority except that which God has established ? That God has established ! see that it is talking about what God has established ? now has everything to do with what God has established ? No ! So if one goes against God then is it's Gods will ? No !

Shonky comprehension. When Paul says that there is no authority except that which God has established, he is saying that all governmental authority has been established by God, whether it is good, bad, or ugly. He said it in the context of being a Roman citizen subject to that government, which was persecuting Christians. So it is quite obvious that the Roman government was not according to God's will as you define it, but Paul is saying we should be subject to it, because it would not be there if God had not established it. Actually the Roman Empire was the fulfilment of Daniel's prophecy (by the way), so it was established by God. So that casts a reasonable doubt on your method of comprehending the verse, doesn't it?

And such an authority was established by God. Consequently such who do not regard what God has set in place are of Satan and we have such a power nowadays that is working to undermine such. not to mention always had such who work to undermine God even back in the OT we see that, how about the Golden Calf for one.

So the Devil is in the detail with such as Hitler and such people are not to be looked up to as an authority, they should be exposed for what their works truly were and let it be a warning to the people not to go down or be lead down such a path as any Satanist peddles.[/QUOTE]

 

[Brakelite]

Shonky comprehension. When Paul says that there is no authority except that which God has established, he is saying that all governmental authority has been established by God, whether it is good, bad, or ugly. He said it in the context of being a Roman citizen subject to that government, which was persecuting Christians. So it is quite obvious that the Roman government was not according to God's will as you define it, but Paul is saying we should be subject to it, because it would not be there if God had not established it. Actually the Roman Empire was the fulfilment of Daniel's prophecy (by the way), so it was established by God. So that casts a reasonable doubt on your method of comprehending the verse, doesn't it?

And such an authority was established by God. Consequently such who do not regard what God has set in place are of Satan and we have such a power nowadays that is working to undermine such. not to mention always had such who work to undermine God even back in the OT we see that, how about the Golden Calf for one.

So the Devil is in the detail with such as Hitler and such people are not to be looked up to as an authority, they should be exposed for what their works truly were and let it be a warning to the people not to go down or be lead down such a path as any Satanist peddles.

[/QUOTE]
You are to subject yourself to that authority only in so much as that authority is subject to God. Should any authority institute any law, tradition, practice or coffee that nullifies or contradicts the laws of God, then you are not required to obey.

 

[marksman]

Was Hitler appointed by God then ?
Obama was not a Christian, dud God appoint him ?
If a Leader leads the Nation down the drain then is that God's will ? or is it Satan's will.

I can't see how a truly honest God fearing person could be the Leader of a Nation to be totally honest.

I see that the left of the USA are doing the bidding of the Satanic so called Jews and the right are doing the bidding of another bunch of Jews, that's all that it boils down to. or to be sure idolising a Godless people
The only reason who anyone would look to so called Jews is because they are lost.
Any Truly born again Christian only looks to anyone but Jesus Christ, anything other is of Satan

Trump is a lap dog to a Mob of so called Jews, he has to be or they will not feed the USA but on the other hand the Lefts Mob of Jews who they grovel to are Communist and totally Satanic. so by their works you shall know them.

The USA is broke bankrupt and if one ask why this is so, well it's because of the works of Satan have been running wild. The Satanist always work to undermine a Nation and it's people turning the people into immoral mush degenerates, so that Satan can dominate.
Look to the History of the so called Jews, look at why every Nation through out History had kicked them out and you will see something that is constant, they undermined the host Nation.

America is a wonderful nation and has a strong history of acknowledging God. That is why it has become the nation it has. It did not just happen.

I always think in terms of the lesser of two evils. Donald and the Republicans are the lesser of two evils. Would you rather have the lesser of two evils or the greater of two evils which the Democrats are?

My impression is that Donald is lapdog to no one, that is why the Democrats tried to impeach him because they could not control him.

Any leader that tries to slow down abortion or get rid of it is worth supporting in my eyes because abortion is the biggest evil ever visited on mankind. Six million Jews died at the hands of Hitler and that was bad enough. 60 million babies have died at the hands of cruel atheistic abortionists and governments that approve of it.

Whilst the Demoncrats are excited about killing babies they will never have my support.

 

[Bobby Jo]

...
I always think in terms of the lesser of two evils. ....

And sometimes, we actually find a person who is HONORABLE and GOOD. Now they may have had to ARRIVE to that circumstance, but there ARE people who aspire to do the RIGHT THING, and we SHOULD acknowledge them for their RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Bobby Jo