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Should Christians Support Donald Trump?

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  1. Man on Fire

    Man on Fire Active Member

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    We are working to answer the question "Should Christians Support Donald Trump" in the context of the following posts here on Christianity Board:

    Post: What is a Seer?
    Post: The Meek and The Bold

    Given someone was asking in the context of the above two posts I may start with a testimony:

    It was around January 2014, and I was starting to have ears to hear, and eyes to see. I made a list of music, mostly "Secular Music," where I found the lyrics profound, or the sounds were drawing me in some way. I felt my list was profound. I worked on an idea for a Christian Themed Radio Station. Not exactly Christian Music as in a genre or Worship Music, but Christian Themed Music. I worked on this idea, and pitched it to two people, but I decided God had given me something profound. In February 2014, I started a Twitter Page. I tweeted songs or Youtube Music videos, with a few words to draw people's attention and perspectives to something Biblical in a teaching way.

    The first day on Twitter I tweeted fifteen or so. After that, God started giving me a song or a theme. I would work out that song or theme a day ahead, and then tweet them all really quickly to try and get attention.......and they should have been watched in order to get the full effect. Package deal. A week or two later, I became more confident. I had been doing this in The Spirit of God, and was receiving things from God. I had grown in Faith, and learn to tweet them as they came to me. Tweeting them as they came to me, I may have ended up with a cool piece of art, and a message from God that took me a few times reviewing with God to more get the full message and see everything. @manonfire63. There are two twitters. The link to the first one is on the bottom.

    Working for God over Twitter, ended up tweeting celebrities, government entities, Universities, and other such people, as compelled to sitting in the presence of God. It was around May-June 2015 during the election, and Donald Trump came out against illegal immigration in a big way for the first time, that some people didn't like in a big way. God was showing me Ezekiel 23. In Ezekiel 16 and Ezekiel 23, it has been like some states or nations were like God's Wives. Why is The Song of Songs in the Bible? It has been an allegory for Israel as God's wife. In the New Testament, using the same allegory, The Church is a Bride for Christ. Was she more of a Harlot Ezekiel 23, or a Virgin Israel? Given a Harlot or Prostitute, that may be like a Great Prostitute poisoning the Nations with her wine? (Revelations 17) What may have been her wine? Secular Humanism? Luciferinism where people have believed they had the light out side of God? Obama was for Hope and Change? Hope for what? Change for what? Was that hope and change in God towards God's Kingdom or some sort of Egotistical Intellectual Atheistic Utopia where Christianity is marginalized and oppressed? In general, some people have been working towards an Atheistic Secular State, with no borders, that denies the Book of Daniel. (Daniel 12)

    Prior to being called by God in 2014, I was more of a Ted Cruz guy. During the election, in retrospect, we did not like Glen Beck invoking God and endorsing him the way he did.

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    Before Donald Trump was thought as a legitimate Presidential Candidate, I tweeted Donald Trump. Why? The first time he said something about immigration that got the internet fired up, I tweeted him Madden NFL 15 Commercial with something about Matthew 10:34. I was inspire by Saint Nick. http://badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=32109327065

    Has Donald Trump, by standing his ground, seemed to have been doing his part towards Matthew 10:34-37? Yes. Has the Democratic Party been working on giving voting rights to non-citizens like they have been working on building an Atheistic Socialist State, with no borders, that denies The Book of Daniel? It may take some research and reflection, but someone looking at this topic honestly, and seeking God, may be able to see how various Democrats with their actions, choices, and voting records have seemed to have a goal or vision, and that goal was Luciferian. They have been working on building a Tower of Babel.

    Here may be an easier way to break this down so I am not writing a book:
    • Free Market, Neo-Liberal Capitalism is Globalist.
    • Hillary Clinton was characterized as a Globalist.
    • Socialism has been Globalist.
    • Donald Trump ran as a Nationalist.
    One of these things is not like the others.

    What Donald Trump has done very well has been stick to his guns. The US Political Process is supposed to be slow and hard to change. Donald Trump has been up against a Media-Academic apparatus, similar to a Military Industrial Complex, that competely lost its mind, and has been ridiculous. Regardless of who the candidate was going to be on the Republican side, regardless of if it was Ted Cruz or Rand Paul who became president, they would be fighting through the same things Donald Trump has fought through, but in ways more tailored towards them. In 2015 Donald Trump looked like the right man to fight through this Media-Academic Apparatus, and he has been doing a great job. Donald Trump should keep being Donald Trump.

    If someone was asking me if Christians should support Donald Trump.........in working to build the Kingdom of God, many of the people who have been working against the Kingdom have tended to hate Donald Trump. Who have tended to be engaged in a form of Spiritual Warfare against God and God's Kingdom. In what God has called me to do, Donald Trump has mostly left to succeed or fail on his own. God's likes Glory, and it may be Glorious if he succeeds. Working to build the Kingdom of God, I have found that using Donald Trump and people like Dr. Jordan Peterson, I may have been able to pick off some people who were doing the wrong things in a big way, and call some people into repentance through The Spirit of God. Demoralized people who have hated themselves, hated their country, hated their neighbor.

    This was free written or some things free written copy and pasted. Some edits were made towards spelling grammar and understanding.
     
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  2. Helen

    Helen Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
     
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    Another way to look at The Kingdom of God:

    What is a State? A State is a Governmental Entity. Texas is a State. New York has been a State. France is a State. Japan is a State. The Vatican? A State.

    A Nation refers to the People and the Culture. Religion is part of culture. Did you grow up singing Christmas chorals in a public school? You grew up in a Christian Nation. Nation referring to the people and the culture. Over in the Middle East, there have been The Kurds. There may be a Kurdish Nation, but there has not been, or was not a Kurdish State for a long time.

    A United Nations implies a type of cement mixer where Nations are uniting and differences between Nations are worked away. Towards what? Some sort of Socialist Utopia? Towards Luciferianism? Can anyone call the United Nations Christian in any way shape or form being honest? Who brings Justice to the Nations and who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords? God Almighty, God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

    A "United States" suggest something else. Would the Kingdom of God look more like a United States where in Orthodoxy, for example, different ethnic groups have had more their own Sees joined together, and in communion with each other through Christ? We may need a Confederacy of different states that are joined together loosely while being motivated by God towards building The Kingdom of God. For the Kingdom of God to happen, The Greater Church may have to come back together in some way.

     
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    Man on Fire Explains Kayne West To You:

    A few times, through the Spirit of God, I have used Kayne West in a form of Spiritual Warfare. How? With a picture of him wearing the Confederate Flag in the context of him saying it was his flag, and talking about the new slavery. How often? Not often. Once in 2014 maybe. Once in 2015 on a different form of media maybe. Possible the biggest one, i don't know, was on Reddit on /r/politicsdebate. Always, when I have done so, it has been towards the above understanding.

    Post: The Kingdom of God and Spiritual Warfare : politicsdebate

    Given someone has paid attention to his interviews, he has talked about how God had been using him. What am a claiming here? Nothing. I gave testimony to working for God, and what God has had me doing towards understanding of Kayne West and God.
     
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    You may be aware that the retired (or fired) editor of Christianity Today tried to tell the Christian world that Mr. Trump should be removed from office (as though that sham impeachment effort of the Democrats was actually valid). I believe he fell flat on his face because he departed from the truth.

    The truth is that Christians must also be responsible citizens of their countries. And one of those responsibilities is to vote whenever there is an election. Which means assessing each candidate in terms of their desire to do what is right and what is righteous in public office. Mr. Trump made it clear that he intended to do what is right for the country. While he made many mistakes, he also accomplished a great deal for which he received no credit from the lying media.
     
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    All Christians should support Donald Trump in his capacity as President. That is mandated to us by Scripture because God is the one that puts rulers in place.

    As far as Donald Trump the candidate, I vote on the issues. In the primary I voted for Cruz. In the General I voted for Trump because of the issues, not necessarily because I liked or wanted him as president.
     
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    Wow, we agree twice in one day...maybe by tonight it will be a hat-trick. :)
     
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    Of course. No one is voting for a minister, we are trying to fix our nation which an idiot tried to destroy for eight years. That idiot hated everything about America and the libs still hate America
     
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    Most of what I have read in the above posts is interesting; but I must add one more very interesting possibility----------------------

    Trump gets booted out of the White House

    Pence quickly follows--------------------------

    Pelosi then becomes the “President Of The United States”
     
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    For about one (1) hour and fifteen (15) minutes, but not one second more :)-
     
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    Pelosi should be impeached.
     
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    Socialism is a pox on Man that only leads to Communism, what we are dealing with is Cultural Marxism that is a work in all this is Satanic Mans works, no one could look to such things as a working of God.

    The UN is Satanic workings of Man, nothing to do with God and not to mention that if one bothers to look into the position of the UN who is this mob answerable too ?
    A One world order ? dominating over all like a mongrel dog :rolleyes: it's not democratic at all ! no one votes them in, so how do the people get them out of dominating over our lives , who is it that has put them in charge ? one may ask ! your Government :confused:? did you give the OK or was this underhand done by people hiding behind the shadows of Power ? that play all our PM or Presidents leadership like a puppet on strings. they have to bow and scrape to them in the shadows while playing the people for fools, they are only doing a juggling act at best.
    I don't think that Trump can do anything really as he has to play to the tune of such people who control the real show, the Swamp is too big to drain.
    The biggest problem is that too many people are degenerates nowadays, so what can you do when so many of the people are lost and just trash that such a God less society has created, it's now a Me Me Generation, it's all about shallow lack of foresight and what can you do for me now government ? but the Nations were never built on such nonsense, they were built on doing and doing for your fellow Man, not squandering and abuse of Man, becoming like a mongrel dog and a cowardly mutt or something that hides under a rock and jumps out on it's victim like a rock spider. all this gay rights dribble has nothing to do with having Christian charity to such lost souls, but it's all about empowering such deranged Sodomites to dominate and lord it all over all with total impunity. you can not question such a topic it's forbidden ! sadly the majority of people are lead astray by all such workings due to such as Social Marxist indoctrination, it's a Fabian assault that creeps in slowly and steady over the years towards it's goal, it's is a work of the stealth of that of Satan until it's to late for it's victims, not to mention all are a victim in fact even the majority of it's own mob who it calls them it's useful idiots, who are under great delusions, just as history shows the people who followed the Nazis and the same with all of the Communist were all totally fooled by the workings of Satan. fact is such as they were all played they say, if you ask them who had to endure under such Evil.
    I have had many such people who lived under such madness trying to warn others that Political Correctness and the way that our Nations are heading is the same bastardisation that they had suffered under.
    I had a Polish Surgeon who was warning a political community group of what was going on nowadays in Australia that is very much the same tactics that Poland was dealt with, he could see it clearly, when I first came up and talked to him he was fearful of me and thought that I would not understand at all, like some who rubbed him up the wrong way when he made his speech. he was very deeply worried for Australia where it was heading and I understood him totally where he was coming from as I was totally warned about such my whole life from people who suffered under such. as they totally absolutely pleaded with me too be totally vigilant to such as they warned me of all that they went through.
     
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    I am not a Capitalist, I don't worship it like many that I know, I have met many a Capitalist total pig that I think lower of than the lowest life form there is, because they are a disgrace to God.
    All systems have merit and one just has to have a handle on such to understand what to value of such and also what is to be regarded as pitfalls, a lot of people have got it all wrong with Socialism sadly it becomes a utopia to them as does such with greed driven Capitalist who are hell bent morons, who it's all about themselves and their ego that blinds them and had Socialist mates who were just the same that the whole world revolved around themselves and their own ego. Oh my god one could hear them say, exactly your god ? well sadly that's not God.
    That's what they are idolising Capitalism as a god or Socialism as their god and that's why Political Correctness becomes there god and they truly do worship it, not to mention that such is now a right of passage and anyone who opposes such is an enemy of their idol.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    only if you support the end of democracy
     
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    Man on Fire Active Member

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    The Kingdom of God is more of a Monarchy.

    By the "end of Democracy" do you mean more the end of "Secret Society Oligarchy" and the controlling influence of certain individuals, entities, and the media in people's lives in the United States? ........Or would you be referring to the end of influence of Luciferian Modern Liberals who have believed they have had the light outside of God, and have tended to have more in common with Atheists and Socialists?
     
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    Question: What constitutes a "Secret Society Oligarchy?"

    In the Ancient World, there were "The Mystery Schools." These were cultic secret societies in Greece and Rome, in Egypt, and probably in Babylon and as far as China and Japan. Many Kings may have looked to "Wisemen" or "Court Sorcerers" like they did in the Bible. People in these cultic secret societies tended to be from wealthy well-to-do families, for the most part, they tended to have influence, they may have been advisors to Kings. God may have humbled them at times, through his Prophets.

    In Greece and Rome and Egypt, there were Pagan Mystery Schools. They had influence. They tended to do.....not anythings......specific things. Why? Anyone experiencing the Spiritual may have been working in specific ways. Someone who rejected God and got into other spirits may have been doing very specific things along very specific lines or spiritual laws.

    Around the crusades, Europe was re-introduced to the knowledge of The East to a large degree. Part of the Occult was working to re-learn what the Wisemen and Court Sorcerers in Ancient Egypt and Babylon knew. Part of that ended up in Wicca and in "The New Age" movement.

    In a Republic, and the US has been a Democratic Republic, the power may have been with certain "Entities" behind the scenes. An entity could be a corporation, a family, or banking interests. How much secret societies and occultism has played in that is a rough issue for many people to take in.

    Ladders give. Snakes take. A snake may have been like a Dragon. A dragon has a gold horde. Knowledge is greater than silver and gold? An occultist may have been looking to "Occult" away understanding for himself and those he wished to share it with. For someone people to have had certain knowledge, they may have had to have gone through gross initiation rituals? They could have just turned to God and asked God. Ladders give. A ladder may be like Jacob's Ladder helping men up to God.

    In Greece and Rome, Apollo was tied to Prophecy. He was also often depicted with a serpent. In China, there have been a lot of dragons. In the Book of Revelations, a Dragon. Dragon may have been symbolic of specific occult activity and "Mystery Schools" or Cultic Secret Societies. When I state that certain groups were doing very particular things......a dragon has been a sign of something.
     
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    Should Christians support Donald Trump?
    OP ^

    Is a Christian Against;
    - Illegal Entry?
    - Freebies for Nothing?
    - Enabling?

    Is a Christian For;
    - Security in your home/nation?
    - People to work and take care of their own?
    - For lending a temporary hand?

    God loves a Cheerful Giver...compulsion, is Forced giving, and not freely or cheerful.

    Taking of ones own means the Liberty to work and provide for ones own...
    It does not mean Steal from one, and dole it out to another.

    We might consider that UnBelief might be the worst thing ever...Yet Scripture says that not taking care of your own household is Worse than an UnBeliever (Infidel).

    1 Tim 5:
    [8] But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

    Is it a helping hand or enabeling for those standing in the welfare line FOR YEARS?

    Trump gives Away His Presidental Salary each year.
    ( by law he is required to receive), (400k)

    He is For:
    Protecting Americans, Work Availabilities, is a model for cheerful giving, and Against Illegal Entrance.
    He is Christian.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    They don't impeach Congress members.
    1) They can be Censored -public tongue lashing.
    2) Expelled- Booted out -by Congressional Vote.
     
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    You can tell what realm you belong to by your convictions. If you entangle yourself in the affairs of this world...then you are OF this world. The kingdom of God is not of this world. Avoid politics IF you are of Christ. Otherwise you will be entangled in the carnal futility of politics. Politics is one carnal human reacting to another.

    God's ways and the ways of a follower of Christ are far above that.
     
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