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God, according to Scripture, is the One who put Donald Trump into the role of President. Anyone calling for Trump to be removed from office is opposing God Himself. Every President is responsible to God for how he performs the role and must stand in judgment one day to give an account before God.

Anyone who opposes God, and does not repent of it, cannot be saved no matter how much he professes Christianity.
Was Hitler appointed by God then ?
Obama was not a Christian, dud God appoint him ?
If a Leader leads the Nation down the drain then is that God's will ? or is it Satan's will.

I can't see how a truly honest God fearing person could be the Leader of a Nation to be totally honest.

I see that the left of the USA are doing the bidding of the Satanic so called Jews and the right are doing the bidding of another bunch of Jews, that's all that it boils down to. or to be sure idolising a Godless people
The only reason who anyone would look to so called Jews is because they are lost.
Any Truly born again Christian only looks to anyone but Jesus Christ, anything other is of Satan

Trump is a lap dog to a Mob of so called Jews, he has to be or they will not feed the USA but on the other hand the Lefts Mob of Jews who they grovel to are Communist and totally Satanic. so by their works you shall know them.

The USA is broke bankrupt and if one ask why this is so, well it's because of the works of Satan have been running wild. The Satanist always work to undermine a Nation and it's people turning the people into immoral mush degenerates, so that Satan can dominate.
Look to the History of the so called Jews, look at why every Nation through out History had kicked them out and you will see something that is constant, they undermined the host Nation.
 

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Obama was a Christian, he is just a left wing one. From memory he was even originally pro-traditional marriage only, until her daughter came back from school one day and brought up the subject, because one of her friends said something else.

I think Obama is great at helping the homeless though.
 

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Yes. American Christians should support their president. It is an instruction in Scripture that we should fully support authorities because they are there to restrain evil and to ensure that we can live in peace and safety in our communities. Therefore failure to fully support Donald Trump as President of the United States is sin and any opposition to him needs to be repented of.

It doesn't matter whether we agree with him personally, or his policies, and we don't even have to like him, but he is President and while in office we are to respect him in that capacity, otherwise we will lose God's support, because He is the Person who put Donald Trump in that role, and non-support of him is to fail to support the God who set him in the role of President.

... and sometimes GOD puts an evil person in charge to punish the nation. But Obama will not get away with the crimes of his administration. He will die penny-less and relatively young, his daughters will beg in the streets, and the sins of his parents will not be forgotten by GOD.

-- Psalms 109, for the year 19 - 109 = 2009; the year Obama was inaugurated. --​

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... and sometimes GOD puts an evil person in charge to punish the nation. But Obama will not get away with the crimes of his administration. He will die penny-less and relatively young, his daughters will beg in the streets, and the sins of his parents will not be forgotten by GOD.

-- Psalms 109, for the year 19 - 109 = 2009; the year Obama was inaugurated. --​

Bobby Jo
If that is a prophecy, then it will be interesting to see if it comes to pass. If it doesn't...well...
 

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Was Hitler appointed by God then ?
Obama was not a Christian, dud God appoint him ?
If a Leader leads the Nation down the drain then is that God's will ? or is it Satan's will.

I can't see how a truly honest God fearing person could be the Leader of a Nation to be totally honest.

I see that the left of the USA are doing the bidding of the Satanic so called Jews and the right are doing the bidding of another bunch of Jews, that's all that it boils down to. or to be sure idolising a Godless people
The only reason who anyone would look to so called Jews is because they are lost.
Any Truly born again Christian only looks to anyone but Jesus Christ, anything other is of Satan

Trump is a lap dog to a Mob of so called Jews, he has to be or they will not feed the USA but on the other hand the Lefts Mob of Jews who they grovel to are Communist and totally Satanic. so by their works you shall know them.

The USA is broke bankrupt and if one ask why this is so, well it's because of the works of Satan have been running wild. The Satanist always work to undermine a Nation and it's people turning the people into immoral mush degenerates, so that Satan can dominate.
Look to the History of the so called Jews, look at why every Nation through out History had kicked them out and you will see something that is constant, they undermined the host Nation.
As much as we find the idea unpleasant, Hitler was permitted by God to lead Germany. But He will be judged on how he performed his leadership. The Scripture is plain. It says that ALL authority has been placed there by God. It doesn't mean that God agrees with it, or wanted things to happen the way they did.

Do you know that Satan does what God tells him? It doesn't mean that God is supporting Satan's evil purposes, but because God is Lord of all, God uses Satan to fulfil His purposes. This is not to say that Satan supports God's plan of salvation. He is totally opposed to it, so even though he has to obey God, he does it reluctantly and with as much malice and with every attempt to overthrow and supplant God's purposes. We see this in the book of Job. God ensured that Satan could go far and no further.

Actually, Satan is the god of this world, so he has freedom to do what he wants in it, as far as God allows him. But he is strictly hands-off with born again believers in Christ. He cannot come anywhere near them, although he can try and spook and bluff them with his smoke and mirrors.

Actually, the holocaust was one of the significant motivation for Jews to get out of Europe and into their own land. The British were giving instructions to allow them to enter Palestine, but the British shafted the Jews and tried to blockade and keep them out, but they failed. And that is why Britain lost its empire. Anyone who shafts the Jews gets punished in some way. Germany was totally destroyed as a nation and millions of Germans were killed and made homeless, because Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews. Russia had to endure 70 years of oppressive Communism because of their progroms against the Jews. And the Arab nations who have attacked Israel have ended up with bloody noses, with Egypt losing most of its air force and its army made totally impotent.

The United States has remained the principal power in the world because it has supported Israel and defended its right to remain a nation; but if that changed, we will see the demise of the United States from its present position in the world.

The Scripture says: "Promotion does not come from the east or the west, but God is the judge. He sets up one and puts down another."

Speaking about Hitler. If he had been a good and righteous ruler of Germany and had not decided to exterminate the Jews and others who did not fit into his racial ideals, and had respected the countries around Germany, he would have had every chance for his Third Reich to last the thousand years he said it would. But he acted unrighteously and abused the position in which God put him, therefore God allowed his government and nation to be totally destroyed. God set him up, and then put him down when he didn't do the right thing.
 

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If that is a prophecy, then it will be interesting to see if it comes to pass. If it doesn't...well...

Yeah, it is. It's based on the premise provided to J.R. Church of the TV show "Prophecy In The News", by his views who wrote to his ministry expressing their observations that the 19th Book of the Bible (Psalms) appears to be prophetic for the 1900's (thru 2000's), -- Chapter for year, such that Book 19, Chapter 48 = the 1948 International Recognition of the State of Israel; etc. He titled his book:" Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms".

And the Psalms is not only substantiated Historically, it's also cited in Scripture independently.

So yeah, -- it is accurate, and we'll continue to see the FAKE Russian Dossier, the FAKE Russian Collusion, and the SPYING on the Trump Campaign and Administration bread crumbs lead to Obama's feet.

Aren't the End-Times EXCITING?!?
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... Hitler ... Holocaust ...

Of course it's important to anticipate that GOD orchestrates men and events, even when it's only our expectation. But HOW MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT when we see those "Leaders" (i.e., Hitler) and "Events" (i.e., the Holocaust) in Prophetic Scripture???

Those events AND MORE THAN YOU"LL EVER CONCEIVE are historically recorded in Scripture, in the correct chronology, with the associated participants in THEIR proper roles and chronology.

But for the most part, the church is led astray by the commentators who BLATANTLY disobeyed the angel's instructions and then spewed their LIES. What a MESS!

The poor stupid people (once - included ME) who fall prey to the liars ...
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... and that would be my #3, "government in general".


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I'll try to be more clear. I don't support politicians in any way, shape or form. That might not be the accepted view or popular opinion but I've never been one to follow the crowd. The bottom line is that it goes against my conscience. I try not to go against my conscience because experience has shown me that I'll regret it sooner or later.
 
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... and sometimes GOD puts an evil person in charge to punish the nation. But Obama will not get away with the crimes of his administration. He will die penny-less and relatively young, his daughters will beg in the streets, and the sins of his parents will not be forgotten by GOD.

-- Psalms 109, for the year 19 - 109 = 2009; the year Obama was inaugurated. --​

Bobby Jo
Unless of course you pray for him and his family.
 

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I'll try to be more clear. I don't support politicians in any way, shape or form. That might not be the accepted view or popular opinion but I've never been one to follow the crowd. The bottom line is that it goes against my conscience. I try not to go against my conscience because experience has shown me that I'll regret it sooner or later.

I would propose that a persons conscience is important, but sometimes our experiences are simply our experiences, -- not necessarily GOD's plan or purpose. And so I'll say again, -- from my Biblical Prophetic perspective --, I strongly suspect that Trump and Netanyahu are the "Two Witnesses" spoken of in the Book of Revelation.

So given that prospect, maybe a person's conscience is not the best standard.

Bobby Jo
 

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As much as we find the idea unpleasant, Hitler was permitted by God to lead Germany. But He will be judged on how he performed his leadership. The Scripture is plain. It says that ALL authority has been placed there by God. It doesn't mean that God agrees with it, or wanted things to happen the way they did.

Do you know that Satan does what God tells him? It doesn't mean that God is supporting Satan's evil purposes, but because God is Lord of all, God uses Satan to fulfil His purposes. This is not to say that Satan supports God's plan of salvation. He is totally opposed to it, so even though he has to obey God, he does it reluctantly and with as much malice and with every attempt to overthrow and supplant God's purposes. We see this in the book of Job. God ensured that Satan could go far and no further.

Actually, Satan is the god of this world, so he has freedom to do what he wants in it, as far as God allows him. But he is strictly hands-off with born again believers in Christ. He cannot come anywhere near them, although he can try and spook and bluff them with his smoke and mirrors.

Actually, the holocaust was one of the significant motivation for Jews to get out of Europe and into their own land. The British were giving instructions to allow them to enter Palestine, but the British shafted the Jews and tried to blockade and keep them out, but they failed. And that is why Britain lost its empire. Anyone who shafts the Jews gets punished in some way. Germany was totally destroyed as a nation and millions of Germans were killed and made homeless, because Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews. Russia had to endure 70 years of oppressive Communism because of their progroms against the Jews. And the Arab nations who have attacked Israel have ended up with bloody noses, with Egypt losing most of its air force and its army made totally impotent.

The United States has remained the principal power in the world because it has supported Israel and defended its right to remain a nation; but if that changed, we will see the demise of the United States from its present position in the world.

The Scripture says: "Promotion does not come from the east or the west, but God is the judge. He sets up one and puts down another."

Speaking about Hitler. If he had been a good and righteous ruler of Germany and had not decided to exterminate the Jews and others who did not fit into his racial ideals, and had respected the countries around Germany, he would have had every chance for his Third Reich to last the thousand years he said it would. But he acted unrighteously and abused the position in which God put him, therefore God allowed his government and nation to be totally destroyed. God set him up, and then put him down when he didn't do the right thing.
Satan does not do what God tells him what to do at all.
Born again Christians do get killed just like anyone does, only that such who are killed in being born again are saved, there Soul is Saved.
Look at all the Africans who are killed because they are Christians, whole tribes are killed baby's and all. or look at all the true Jews that were killed in WW2, the Talmud feared they would become strong Christians and expose them.

Fact is that anyone who claims that such was a Holocaust is a fool or of Satan in fact, it was genocide !!!

If it was a Holocaust that means that it was a burnt offering to God in fact ! no worthy Christian would claim such nonsense ! or such a one is supporting such a thing was an act of God, it was not an act of God at all, it was an act of Mans works in fact all going to the plan of the Talmud whore.
Hitler hated the Germans his intentions were to kill them all and he did a real job of that.
W Churchill was much the same a war monger and controlled by the Talmud whore and his wealthy grub mates and he said We shall never surrender ! by that he meant you will never surrender ! the poor people of the UK were destroyed after WW2 run into the ground because of WC and his stupid war, the UK would of lost if the Talmud did not force the USA into a war, that was all a set up, look at the story of the Grand Admiral of the USA Fleet how he was shafted because he refused to leave Perl Harbour to the Japs, because he knew as well as anyone that the Japs were on their way because the USA gov shafted them big time as it insulted them and he knew that they had to respond as such, he knew they were coming 100% sure not 99% and the USA gov knew and let Pearl Harbour cop it. so it could get the people up in arms and kick off the war.

The USA is Bankrupt and down for the count in fact, even Trump can't even get the USA out of that hole that if he wins the next election, he may do well with such in the next term but when the left get back in they will destroy any gain, if Trump looses the left will not be in any financial shape to claim to look good in the eyes of even the village idiot but if Trump wins then they will have money to burn and they will do that when they get back in, because they are Socialist and all socialist are fools with money.

The people of the UK never shafted the Jews, it was the government that was controlled by the Talmud whore that shafted the UK people and the people of the USA and it was the Talmud that has always shafted the true Jews.
Most of the Germans knew nothing about the killing of the Jews in fact, that only came out after the war

We have all been played by the game at play of the Satanist and as Christians we should not just lay down and bow down to such idolatry nonsense that you are peddling. People reap what they sow and once people start idolising anyone or thing they are condemned in fact.

Gods people are Born Again Christians period ! and anything other is of Satan in fact.
 

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Satan does not do what God tells him what to do at all.
Born again Christians do get killed just like anyone does, only that such who are killed in being born again are saved, there Soul is Saved.
Look at all the Africans who are killed because they are Christians, whole tribes are killed baby's and all. or look at all the true Jews that were killed in WW2, the Talmud feared they would become strong Christians and expose them.

Fact is that anyone who claims that such was a Holocaust is a fool or of Satan in fact, it was genocide !!!

If it was a Holocaust that means that it was a burnt offering to God in fact ! no worthy Christian would claim such nonsense ! or such a one is supporting such a thing was an act of God, it was not an act of God at all, it was an act of Mans works in fact all going to the plan of the Talmud whore.
Hitler hated the Germans his intentions were to kill them all and he did a real job of that.
W Churchill was much the same a war monger and controlled by the Talmud whore and his wealthy grub mates and he said We shall never surrender ! by that he meant you will never surrender ! the poor people of the UK were destroyed after WW2 run into the ground because of WC and his stupid war, the UK would of lost if the Talmud did not force the USA into a war, that was all a set up, look at the story of the Grand Admiral of the USA Fleet how he was shafted because he refused to leave Perl Harbour to the Japs, because he knew as well as anyone that the Japs were on their way because the USA gov shafted them big time as it insulted them and he knew that they had to respond as such, he knew they were coming 100% sure not 99% and the USA gov knew and let Pearl Harbour cop it. so it could get the people up in arms and kick off the war.

The USA is Bankrupt and down for the count in fact, even Trump can't even get the USA out of that hole that if he wins the next election, he may do well with such in the next term but when the left get back in they will destroy any gain, if Trump looses the left will not be in any financial shape to claim to look good in the eyes of even the village idiot but if Trump wins then they will have money to burn and they will do that when they get back in, because they are Socialist and all socialist are fools with money.

The people of the UK never shafted the Jews, it was the government that was controlled by the Talmud whore that shafted the UK people and the people of the USA and it was the Talmud that has always shafted the true Jews.
Most of the Germans knew nothing about the killing of the Jews in fact, that only came out after the war

We have all been played by the game at play of the Satanist and as Christians we should not just lay down and bow down to such idolatry nonsense that you are peddling. People reap what they sow and once people start idolising anyone or thing they are condemned in fact.

Gods people are Born Again Christians period ! and anything other is of Satan in fact.
So you don't really believe that God is Lord over all His creation, including Satan and demons, and that Paul is mistaken when he said that ALL authority is instituted by God?

All one has to do is to read history to find out that the United Nations instructed Britain to oversee the return of the holocaust Jews back to their homeland in Palestine, but the British went against that and used their navy to blockade Palestine, refusing boatloads of Jews from being able to enter Palestinian ports. Read it for yourself instead of trying to convince me that 1 plus 1 = 3.

If Paul writing by direct inspiration from the Holy Spirit says that we should submit to ALL authority because it has been instituted by God, then I believe him rather than the opinions of those who decide to read stuff into the Bible that isn't there.
 

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The USA is Bankrupt and down for the count in fact, even Trump can't even get the USA out of that hole that if he wins the next election, he may do well with such in the next term but when the left get back in they will destroy any gain, if Trump looses the left will not be in any financial shape to claim to look good in the eyes of even the village idiot but if Trump wins then they will have money to burn and they will do that when they get back in, because they are Socialist and all socialist are fools with money.
The bottom line is that Donald Trump is the elected President of the United States. Because I am not a United States Citizen and don't live there, I don't have to submit to his authority. But I am bound to submit to the authority of our Prime Minister and those government officials, including the police, who act in her name.

But if I went for a holiday to the United States, I am bound to abide by United States laws while I am there, and because Donald Trump is President, then United States law is enacted in his name as long as he holds the office of President. If I went around advertising that I think he is a jerk and I am not going to support him or obey his laws, I would be shunted out of the country as fast as they could get me to the nearest airport. It is not because I might not like him personally, but that he is currently the President, and I would be deported because I would be slagging off the President of the United States.

Also, I would have to repent before God for rebelling against the authority that He has instituted in the United States, because I would effectively rebelling against Him, because the President is acting in His name in the country. This does not mean that God is going to be happy with the way he performs his official role, and if he does things that could really harm the church, God can quite freely remove him. The President has a responsibility before God to administer his role righteously, and will have to give an account at the judgment for the way he did it.

It is interesting that FDR died before his time. I link his deteriorating health and premature death to the fact that Hitler offered the United States 50,000 Hungarian Jews for one dollar each if the U.S. would take them. FDR turned him down, and those 50,000 Jews went to the gas chambers. God did not forget that, and it is quite probable that He removed FDR from office.

One has to wonder why Kennedy was suddenly removed from office, and his brother prevented from being elected President. Perhaps the Lord could see that the Christian church would be harmed in such a way by their policies that were not acceptable to Him. Who knows?
 

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One has to wonder why Kennedy was suddenly removed from office, and his brother prevented from being elected President. Perhaps the Lord could see that the Christian church would be harmed in such a way by their policies that were not acceptable to Him. Who knows?

The CIA knows, and the "Deep State" knows. Just ask Former CIA Director William Colby. -- Oh yeah, he was assassinated because as old age caught up to him, and he couldn't keep his mouth shut. Well maybe we could ask the former President of Lockheed, Courtland Gross. -- Huh, apparently due to old age he also couldn't keep his mouth shut, so his housekeeper was assassinated when she opened the door, his wife was assassinated where she sat, and Courtland was assassinated where he sat.

And come to think of it, Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby both ended up DEAD.

And talking this morning, -- Vince Foster might have shed some light on the Deep State. I wonder where he retired to?

Will "coincidences" never end?
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The CIA knows, and the "Deep State" knows. Just ask Former CIA Director William Colby. -- Oh yeah, he was assassinated because as old age caught up to him, and he couldn't keep his mouth shut. Well maybe we could ask the former President of Lockheed, Courtland Gross. -- Huh, apparently due to old age he also couldn't keep his mouth shut, so his housekeeper was assassinated when she opened the door, his wife was assassinated where she sat, and Courtland was assassinated where he sat.

And come to think of it, Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby both ended up DEAD.

And talking this morning, -- Vince Foster might have shed some light on the Deep State. I wonder where he retired to?

Will "coincidences" never end?
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Informative.
 

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Informative.

Ummmmmm, the interesting background about William Colby [1] is that as a CIA operative, he proved himself so adept at assembling an assassination team, that he was subsequently Promoted to Saigon Station Chief where he ran "Operation Phoenix" where under his leadership U.S. and S. Vietnamese Special Forces are accused of assassinating some 20,000 and imprisoning some 70,00 suspect communists or communist sympathizers.

And if course the significant contributor was that on October 2, 1963, President Kennedy ordered his Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Maxwell Taylor, to start withdrawing 1,000 troops to commence within two months, and the balance of the troops to be withdrawn within the following 12 months.[2] And apparently it took seven weeks to arrange for a venue where Kennedy would be riding in his open limousine where he would meet his November 22, assassination. And if course President Kennedy’s assassination left the prospects for policy reversal open, as evidenced by President Johnson’s subsequent massive involvement in South Vietnam.


And to think that Courtland Gross' company, Lockheed, -- and other Military Industrial Complex companies --, might have financially benefited from the sales of boots, bullets, and bombs:

Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
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This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
... [3]


[1] William Colby, "Lost Victory", Contemporary Books, NY, 1989, p. 333
[2] Ian Brodie, “Kennedy Ordered Troops Out Of Vietnam,” The Times Newspapers Limited, - online, Dec. 23, 1997
[3] Avalon Project - Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

Will "coincidences" never cease?
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Ummmmmm, the interesting background about William Colby [1] is that as a CIA operative, he proved himself so adept at assembling an assassination team, that he was subsequently Promoted to Saigon Station Chief where he ran "Operation Phoenix" where under his leadership U.S. and S. Vietnamese Special Forces are accused of assassinating some 20,000 and imprisoning some 70,00 suspect communists or communist sympathizers.

And if course the significant contributor was that on October 2, 1963, President Kennedy ordered his Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Maxwell Taylor, to start withdrawing 1,000 troops to commence within two months, and the balance of the troops to be withdrawn within the following 12 months.[2] And apparently it took seven weeks to arrange for a venue where Kenned would be riding in his open limousine where he would meet his November 22, assassination. And if course President Kennedy’s assassination left the prospects for policy reversal open, as evidenced by President Johnson’s subsequent massive involvement in South Vietnam.


And to think that Courtland Gross' company, Lockheed, -- and other Military Industrial Complex companies --, might have financially benefited from the sales of boots, bullets, and bombs:

Avalon Project - Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
...
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.


In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.


We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
...


[1] William Colby, "Lost Victory", Contemporary Books, NY, 1989, p. 333
[2] Ian Brodie, “Kennedy Ordered Troops Out Of Vietnam,” The Times Newspapers Limited, - online, Dec. 23, 1997​


Will "coincidences" never cease?
Bobby Jo
Very interesting and informative. I never knew that! :)
 

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Very interesting and informative. I never knew that! :)

It's Scriptural and Historical. Maybe you should read the prophecies of Daniel in accordance with the angel's instructions in 12:4 & 9, -- not neglecting that we now go to and fro some 60 to 600 miles per hour, and that we have INSTANT KNOWLEDGE literally at our fingertips.

So when you read Dan. 11:9, you might perceive the Cuban Missile Crisis; Dan. 11:10-12 as the Vietnam War, with Vs 13 as the Tet Offensive; Vs 14 as the Vietnam War Protesters; Vs 15-17.5 as the capitulation of S. Vietnam; and Vs 17.5 as CIA mercenaries using the same guerrilla tactics but failing; and finally Vs 18 where communist Vietnamese captured the U.S. Freighter "Mayaguez" after which hostilities were basically ended.

And if course, in the U.S. the President (then Nixon) submits his proposed BUDGET to congress which must pay for his programs. But as I recall, he was "broken" (but "not in anger or in battle") and forced to resign within 600 days of his second inauguration, but not before his Vice President (then Spiro Agnew) resigned, and Ford nominated to replace Agnew and then Nixon, -- being the FIRST PRESIDENT never having been ELECTED to that office, -- of which consisted of FOUR "FIRSTS" in U.S. History.


STOP! I can't STAND any more "coincidences", -- unless it's in Bible Prophecy,
Bobby Jo