Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Wrangler]

hat's because they rely on weapons more than rely on God.

Oliver Cromwell ... yes, pray, but mind you, keep your powder dry. LOL

 

[soberxp]

Oliver Cromwell ... yes, pray, but mind you, keep your powder dry. LOL

I believe that God can give me everything through prayer.But I never believed that prayer could change the world.If you can, you don't need to preach the gospel.Just need a prayer.

I can still tell the difference between prayer and prayer.

Because some prayers are just in vain.

 

[Jack]

Its no use sxp...he is too far gone down that track and nothing will dissuade him from his truth....supporting the wrong “Israel”....they are not “the Israel of God”. (Gal 6:16) That Israel is living in peace.

Guess where Jesus will return Aunty. It's called Israel, the Land of the Bible. Get a map.

Zechariah 14:1-4
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,

 

[Aunty Jane]

<sigh> So passive are you AS IF we have no role in God's Kingdom despite Scripture constantly commanding us to act. Despite all your Bible study, this is lost on you. We agree that God uses agents but in this case, there is a wall you put up. See Cyrus the Great.

Are you serious? Everything you rely on is OT, referring to ancient times....there is nothing about political war in Christianity in the Bible....only in the history of false Christians after the first century....that is when the foretold apostasy took place as Jesus warned....the only warfare mentioned for Christians is spiritual and defensive....never with political conquest or aggression.

Do Paul’s words here have no effect on you?

“For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ”. (2 Cor 10:3-5 ESV)

Everything you say is so way off the truth that I am shocked at your ignorance and total lack of Bible knowledge, of either OT or New. Do you obey Christ Wrangler...or man?

Your arguments went out with the old covenant....Israel, in rejecting Christ still clings to it......it is obsolete like your view of God in the Christian era. All conquest spoken of for that era is from Jesus with an angelic army, not a physical one. Why would he need to use puny humans in a battle with the prince of darkness?
With what weapons can you defeat the devil? As soon as you kill his minions he replaces them and war never ends.

Oliver Cromwell ... yes, pray, but mind you, keep your powder dry. LOL

Oliver Cromwell??? The one history describes as “an English military leader and politician” who had a “pivotal role in the English Civil War against King Charles 1”...

A man fighting Caesar’s wars with carnal weapons against supposedly fellow Christians?! What a joke!
You just don’t get it, do you?

 

[Aunty Jane]

I just wanted to elaborate on this one point for the benefit of any who might be reading this exchange.....

You mentioned....”We agree that God uses agents but in this case, there is a wall you put up. See Cyrus the Great.”

Who was Cyrus the Great, Wrangler? What role did he play in God’s purpose for Israel?...and when does he emerge on the world stage? How long does he remain there? How does he figure in Daniel’s prophesies?

Please explain the people you bring up as if you understand who they were, and why they were mentioned in the Bible at all, since Cyrus was foretold in Scripture about 200 years before he was even born!

How did he serve God’s purpose? Agency is used here but why? Cyrus conquered Babylon in one night with barely a shot fired.....God foretold the exact way in which he would achieve his conquest. What did it result in? You explain nothing because you don’t study.....you use other people’s work to form your opinions. How much of what you write is the result of your own research?

Who are you listening to?.....because it’s not Jesus....or any of his apostles.

 

[TazzJazz]

More quotes! LOL


I was going to edit my previous reply to more fully address this point. I am patriotic, that is true. However, my primary duty is to God, who commands the righteous use of violce, in his affairs and in ours as I've detailed my citing much Scripture.

Im sorry, but your last few posts are very twisted. There's a big difference between how God allows worldly governments to act, and how God commands Christians, who are to be no part of this world, to act.

Tell me, when Christ fulfills Daniel 2:44 & 1 Corinthians 15:24, and your government is "crushed" and "brought to nothing", what are you gonna do? On which side are you gonna be?

 

[Wrangler]

I believe that God can give me everything through prayer.

That's an impractical AND Anti-scriptural. We are supposed to prayer while we go about doing things in this life. Ephesians 6:18

A vid I watched yesterday spoke about women in the church looking for a husband and compared it to looking for a job. Pray yes, but also apply for jobs.

 

[Wrangler]

Are you serious? Everything you rely on is OT

You are blind. Read again what I wrote and the many NT references.

We are made in God's image and commanded to be like him. Genesis 1:26-27, Psalm 82:6, Matthew 5:48, John 10:33-34, Romans 8:16-17, Ephesians 5:1 and Revelation 3:21. YHWH is the Lord of Heaven's Armies. Psalm 46:7. Zechariah 8:7. There's an army in heaven for the purpose of doing righteous and divinely ordained violence and we are made in YHWH's image. We have dominion and authority to judge things in this world even though it is ruled by Satan, in this life. 1 Corinthians 6:3-4.

Then, there is our perfect role model Jesus, who flipped over tables, whipped at people, told us to be armed, commanded us to give to Caesar what is Caesar's and the first thing he'll do upon his 2nd coming his smite his enemies and the last thing he'll do is raise judged people from the dead to violently throw them in the Lake of Fire to be annihilated.

 

[Wrangler]

There's a big difference between how God allows worldly governments to act, and how God commands Christians, who are to be no part of this world, to act.

This is what is twisted and anti-Scriptural. Having no part in this world goes against that Gd so loved the world and gave us Jesus. This is why we are authorized to judge the world in this life. 1 Corinthians 6:3-4

 

[soberxp]

That's an impractical AND Anti-scriptural. We are supposed to prayer while we go about doing things in this life. Ephesians 6:18

A vid I watched yesterday spoke about women in the church looking for a husband and compared it to looking for a job. Pray yes, but also apply for jobs.

Everything that I need.
Not something beyond the I need.
Sorry, Sorry, maybe everything makes you sound a little exaggerated.
So what do you think we need in life?

 

[Wrangler]

So what do you think we need in life?

That's a topic for another thread. This thread is about supporting Israel.

 

[soberxp]

That's a topic for another thread. This thread is about supporting Israel.

I supporting Israel with word of God and Maybe my life, But never about the never-ending war,and Controversy, especially from hatred. You need to understand that only the word of God and the teaching of Jesus can lead Israel.This secular country is moving towards real peace.I don't care whether Israel is bloodline or spiritual.It's all the same.

In the old testament, god ledThe descendants of Israel went out of Egypt.To carry out his plan of redemption, starting with this nation.In those early wars in the Old Testament,Pharaoh blocked God's plan.God used disaster andRed SeaDestroyed the enemy who blocked God's plan.It was not God who started the war and wiped out Israel's enemies.

God protects Israel, but when Israel,When they betray God, God will punish them as they deserve.They will lose the protection of god.Because they depended not on God, but on man's will.

You have to understand that we depend on our own will in life.And relying on god.This has always been very different.

Relying on man's will will only make things more complicated.

You really need to re-read the Old Testament.

 

[amigo de christo]

What part of the Warrior God do you misunderstand because you cannot, or will not see that your loyalties are entirely misplaced.....Jesus, the Prince of Peace, is the final judge....we have to go by his teachings, not your twisted interpretation of them.....this is the mentality that got Israel into trouble all their lives....they could never just do as they were told....

it’s God’s will that must be done...not man’s.....remember the words of the Lord’s Prayer? God’s Kingdom will “come” and put all things to right...only then can God’s will be “done on earth as it is in heaven”....do you understand what he was teaching us to pray for?....the exact opposite of what you are praying for. (Isa 1:15)

For it is written vengeance is MINE sayeth the LORD .
Repay not evil with evil .
Far too many have the wrong hope
for thier hope be in men and in the earthern kingdom mentality .
But on the day OF THE LORD many will wail indeed .

 

[amigo de christo]

Im sorry, but your last few posts are very twisted. There's a big difference between how God allows worldly governments to act, and how God commands Christians, who are to be no part of this world, to act.

Tell me, when Christ fulfills Daniel 2:44 & 1 Corinthians 15:24, and your government is "crushed" and "brought to nothing", what are you gonna do? On which side are you gonna be?

and speaking of the book of daniel let us all look real closely at something .
But before i make mention of that something allow the words of JESUS to be written .
THINK YE that i came to bring PEACE on EARTH , i tell you nay but rather divisions .
So for those thinking this big ol abraham ecumeincal interfaith and its anti christ interrelgious diaglogue
IS THE WILL OF GOD for world peace ,
REMEMBER THIS , GOD aint in the business OF DENYING THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
and making a real big broad path that claims ALL religoins serve the same GOD .
Only an anti christ would have dared to utter such a thing .
And now a word from daniel
AND BY PEACE SHALL HE DESTROY MANY . that one IS ANTI CHRIST . WELCOME TO the plan of many anti christs
WHO Think they do the will of GOD but are leading all to THE BIG ANTI CHRIST . ITS ALL A DELUSION .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

if one comes and brings a solution and that solution denies the very fact ONE MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS

Yep, any "solution" to anything that leaves Jesus out is ultimately a satanic "solution"

The devil is deceptive and has always sought to lead mankind in to "solutions" and it's funny how all of the devil's "solutions" leave Jesus out and exclude Him.

There's the first red flag right there to know and understand the devil is involved any time submitting to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is not the first bullet point of any proposed "solution"

 

[amigo de christo]

Yep, any "solution" to anything that leaves Jesus out is ultimately a satanic "solution"

The devil is deceptive and has always sought to lead mankind in to "solutions" and it's funny how all of the devil's "solutions" leave Jesus out and exclude Him.

There's the first red flag right there to know and understand the devil is involved any time submitting to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is not the first bullet point of any proposed "solution"

so now ya see why i warn against the ecumeincal harlot of intefaith and her many many m any daughters who do her bidding .
Cause JESUS GOT DENIED and a lie was told to them all . HEY we all seving the same God
and our GOD , may as well have said OUR JESUS is no better than their gods . and that we all coming
to THE SAME GOD in different ways . ONLY , THERE BE ONLY ON E WAY TO GOD and HE JUST GOT DENEID by them
as THE ONLY WAY and that ONE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM .
Get every man , woman and child , OUTTA ANYTHING ECUMEINCAL no matter what side of politics they sit under .
ITS ALL G OING DOWN on the DAY OF THE LORD . THEY fleecing us all and leading us all RIGHT to THE LIE .

 

[Marvelloustime]

so now ya see why i warn against the ecumeincal harlot of intefaith and her many many m any daughters who do her bidding .
Cause JESUS GOT DENIED and a lie was told to them all . HEY we all seving the same God
and our GOD , may as well have said OUR JESUS is no better than their gods . and that we all coming
to THE SAME GOD in different ways . ONLY , THERE BE ONLY ON E WAY TO GOD and HE JUST GOT DENEID by them
as THE ONLY WAY and that ONE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM .
Get every man , woman and child , OUTTA ANYTHING ECUMEINCAL no matter what side of politics they sit under .
ITS ALL G OING DOWN on the DAY OF THE LORD . THEY fleecing us all and leading us all RIGHT to THE LIE .

@amigo de christo

 

[NayborBear]

This is what is twisted and anti-Scriptural. Having no part in this world goes against that Gd so loved the world and gave us Jesus. This is why we are authorized to judge the world in this life. 1 Corinthians 6:3-4

1 Corinthians 6:
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

I know all to well how those proponents that are against one/'s like you!
They like to wear ya down! Much like?:
Revelation 13:
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

I may not post very much. But that don't mean I'm against ya either! Stay in there and keep swinging brother!

 

[NayborBear]

and speaking of the book of daniel let us all look real closely at something .
But before i make mention of that something allow the words of JESUS to be written .
THINK YE that i came to bring PEACE on EARTH , i tell you nay but rather divisions .
So for those thinking this big ol abraham ecumeincal interfaith and its anti christ interrelgious diaglogue
IS THE WILL OF GOD for world peace ,
REMEMBER THIS , GOD aint in the business OF DENYING THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
and making a real big broad path that claims ALL religoins serve the same GOD .
Only an anti christ would have dared to utter such a thing .
And now a word from daniel
AND BY PEACE SHALL HE DESTROY MANY . that one IS ANTI CHRIST . WELCOME TO the plan of many anti christs
WHO Think they do the will of GOD but are leading all to THE BIG ANTI CHRIST . ITS ALL A DELUSION .

Revelation 21:
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

As you can read here? Israel SHALL have their names with those 12 Angels! So, tis already a done deal!
Well?
As MUCH of a done deal concerning those who lay claim that:
"I've read the back of the Book." "God wins!"

 

[Behold]

So what do you think we need in life?

More Jesus in it.