Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Jack]

It is not about where the land is that Israel is living on, rather it is about where Israel is drawing their nourishment from and that fertile field of God's can be wherever they are presently living.

Israel is Home to STAY! In the Land of the Bible.

 

[Wrangler]

This whole world is under the sway of the wicked one (the prince/god of this world)

Incorrect. If this were true, Jesus would not have come OR have any effect. Yes, there is evil in this world and it is generally under the control of worldly considerations but this does not negate that God is now and always has acted powerfully in this world. See this very forum as evidence.

If what you and those like @Aunty Jane say were true, there would not be a community of Christ followers online or anywhere.Have hope, faith and love sister. Support Israel.

 

[Rockerduck]

Are you another one stuck in OT mentality? We are not old covenant Jews....we are new covenant Christians....God hasn’t sanctioned a war since the days of ancient Israel....by the time Jesus walked the earth, Rome was in control of the “holy land” and the Jews were oppressed under Roman law...they didn’t even have a military force back then. Any Jew who joined the army were fighting with the enemy.....like tax collectors, they were despised.

There is no precedent for a “Christian” army nor any “Christian” nation.....those in the early centuries who fought in the Crusades were not Christians; they were under the authority of the Roman church....whose behaviour was anything but Christian. Just because a war is religiously motivated, doesn’t mean that God will intervene.....he is permitting the rulership of the devil, (which involves the whole world. 1 John 5:19) to give satan “enough rope”.....soon the end of that rope will mean the end of all wars...but it will not be at the hands of man.

Geesh, chill and calm down, if you can't handle the history of the OT, so be it. God does not change, Malachi 3:6. Of course, we under the Grace of God who gives abundantly through the power within us, Eph. 3:20. If you are Chosen that is.

 

[Marvelloustime]

if you notice many who go about preaching this we are here to CHANGE the world
DARN SURE have not been preaching JESUS and the dire need to repent and beleive on HIM .
THEIR change is not pointing folks to Christ but to the plan of peace n safety of this world .
And now a word .
BE not given unto change .
OH they been changing all right . chaninging things the bible said , om itting things written
and doing all to CHANGE the image of GOD into something very dark indeed . But they think is love and for
good of humanity and the world . OH many are indeed been given unto change .
And thus always change with the flows of the world . ALways adapting to what the next one up
cliams is truth , cliams is love . YET they have no idea its has led them and is only leading them
from the ONLY ONE who could have saved them and From HIS words . Its not gonna bode well
for many on the DAY OF THE LORD . them change agents brought the wrong change sister .

@amigo de christo

 

[Rockerduck]

How can you possibly know that.

Which prophet of God did say that?

Bush Jr. said he was led by God to attack Iraq, do you believe that?

The Triune God that you worship told me. Yes, the Holy Spirit told me. Now, don't be one those that the Holy Spirit does not talk to, so it must be the Holy Spirit doesn't talk to any of His Chosen elect.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Incorrect. If this were true, Jesus would not have come OR have any effect.

Jesus came to do what no other human could do...to offer his perfect sinless life for the one Adam lost for all his children.....do you know what redemption is?
An exact price was demanded and no one else could pay it.

Yes, there is evil in this world and it is generally under the control of worldly considerations but this does not negate that God is now and always has acted powerfully in this world.

The reason why there is evil in this world is because God gave the devil the rulership he wanted in order to be to the human race what God should have been...their rightful Sovereign. (Luke 4:5-7)
He wanted more than rulership...he wanted worship...he was the one who wanted to “be like God”.

See this very forum as evidence.

See what? Many differing opinions.....?

If what you and those like @Aunty Jane say were true, there would not be a community of Christ followers online or anywhere.Have hope, faith and love sister. Support Israel.

How do you figure that? The solution to mankind’s woes is not any war fought among human beings....
Why do you think Jesus said that “he who endures to the end will be saved”? (Matt 24:13)
What are we enduring?....the world’s hatred for not being part of its wars and politics, and giving praise to people who don’t deserve it. (John 15:18-21)

The primary war is between God and his adversary, each has his own army...satan has his demons, and God has Jesus and his angels.....on earth there are human supporters for both sides.....but we already know who wins, so what is the point of fighting in man’s wars when none of them are going to win in the end?
God is about to crush all failed human rulership out of existence (Daniel 2:44)....including the ones you are supporting. “The great day of God the Almighty” is about to take place....Where will you stand on that day? Whose side are you taking?
In the unsanctioned wars of the nations....whose side is God on? The answer is....no one’s.

 

[Lizbeth]

Be thankful that you never lived under the Communist or the Nazis ! because that is what this world is on the path of !
So you want to wake up to yourself !

Evil is always about, but the carnal religious never lead anyone Christ Jesus ! You Must be born again in fact !

Religious people are just as Lost as any Caranal dupe in fact ! for they are clearly not Saved in fact ! so they are not worthy of God in fact !

You are only religious ! and a Death Cult !

For, Jesus clearly came for who on this earth ? One needs Virtue !
Bible points out what was on earth was called Paradise ! one problem tho, is Sin ! and the people who are not Saved are under the power of Sin ! that's the whole issue !
So Your suppoprting Sin !

I am of the Kingdom of God ! Saved !

Satan tempted Jesus ? Jesus was never tempted at all in fact ! show me where Jesus was tempted ! not one jot !
Show me were Jesus defeted the Devil ? Jesus just exposed Satan for who he truly only is in fact ! and that for us to understand the real issue and able to deal with such !

Jacob became Israel for very good reason and it's all about Jacob becoming Israel, that's the Key to understanding what Israel is all about! But religious morons claim the Tribe is Israel ?
So who does Jacob Israel Serve ?
And who did the tribe of Israel Serve ? not always Israel ! for they clearly lacked such faith as Jacob Israel !
Then we see in Nathaniel, Jesus called him a True Israel ? for very good reason in fact because he was worthy of such ! and what would he see ? come now if you do not know that you are clearly not Saved !

Do you serve Idolitry for gods or lack Virtue !
If one lacks Virtue one is clearly a Slave !

People who sit on their ass waithing for the 2ed coming are not Saved because such are clearly not Saved ! remeber them coins given and what did people do with such ? as if one had a talent and did not use that gift ?
So you claim no, I will just sit on my ass and watch evil grow out of control !

That type sat on their ass and let the Holocaust be ! yes are the likes of you are guilty of it ! do not lift a finger you all, because does Liz think all Evil is the same ? So go bash someone just for the hell of it ? or rape people ? it's all the same ? is it !
Yes people just sit back and be so sumg in your self rightiousness.

I thought that the Kingdom of God was here on earth ? as the Bible points out who can not enter in fact ! they can not enter because they are clearly not worthy of Christ Jesus in fact !

Now in regards the Saints ! were they all jelly backs that peddled end of times, do nothing ! lets hope it to all fail ! was that their message ? Give your wife and children no regard ?

Oh Marriage becomes a what now ! Oh what a blessing = with a partnership now ! Oh the Satanic outright whoredom ! I am trying to look for where the Virtue is in that ! Oh boy's now come under the same whoredom ! you must Idolise it all nowadays of else.
Oh Yes you all are under delusions ! Cant see that is an abomination, can we ?

Why did you all not stand up to such a whoredom ! are let it slide man it's all good and just go back to sleep, Jesus will fix it up one day because we embrased whoredom. Oh not to mention who sells a lie, like when some morons claim to be born again, by the hand of man ? or idolise a Priest who is in fact childmolester. they were in fact clearly looked after by the Church ! Why ! well such People were clearly dead or clearly some sort of Vampire.

I don't like seeing how things are going any more than anyone....but should we be surprised that iniquity/transgression is coming to the full? As difficult as it is to watch and live through, it was prophesied to happen, and the Lord is still sovereignly on His throne. There is a harvest of both righteousness and wickedness ripening in the last days.....meaning it is soon time for judgment. Wheat and tares both growing up and showing their true colours...fruits, whether good or bad that show what kind of tree/crop it is.

Politics won't save anyone or turn away whoredoms....only the gospel can save and change hearts and people's behaviours. And according to the bible only a remnant will be saved........so we really shouldn't be surprised that most of this world is in a shambles.

I think the bible indicates that this world and this life, is really only a proving/testing ground for our faith, that we are passing through, and after this comes eternity. God's people are waiting for, journeying towards, and looking for a NEW and eternal heavens/earth, not putting down stakes in a temporary place that is appointed to wrath/destruction. The only thing anyone needs to be doing is God's will. And His will for the church is to seek HIS kingdom and righteousness and share the gospel before it is too late and that door is shut and the wrath is poured out.

2Ti 2:3-4
Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

 

[Lizbeth]

Incorrect. If this were true, Jesus would not have come OR have any effect. Yes, there is evil in this world and it is generally under the control of worldly considerations but this does not negate that God is now and always has acted powerfully in this world. See this very forum as evidence.

If what you and those like @Aunty Jane say were true, there would not be a community of Christ followers online or anywhere.Have hope, faith and love sister. Support Israel.

Incorrect? It is what God's word says. But those who haven't received Christ and His Spirit can't perceive the paradoxes of spiritual things. The devil has been defeated and Jesus is the rightful ruler, but Satan being the rebellious and disobedient creature that he is continues to defy the truth and God. Except that he can only do so far as God sovereignly allows. As we see in the book of Job.

 

[Wrangler]

Incorrect? It is what God's word says.

Often it is a mistake to take the literal word of God literally as there is a context that is not meant to have universal applicability.

This is one of those times as I demonstrated. Said differently, IF this world is controlled by the devil, how do you reconcile that fact with the existence of the Bible, the prophets revealing God’s will, Jesus and the billions who testify to God acting in their lives?

I suspect there is over-spiritualism also in today’s culture that clouds things. Jesus did not spiritually rise from the dead by fleshy, carnal, bodily. This has practical meaning.

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't like seeing how things are going any more than anyone....but should we be surprised that iniquity/transgression is coming to the full? As difficult as it is to watch and live through, it was prophesied to happen, and the Lord is still sovereignly on His throne. There is a harvest of both righteousness and wickedness ripening in the last days.....meaning it is soon time for judgment. Wheat and tares both growing up and showing their true colours...fruits, whether good or bad that show what kind of tree/crop it is.

Politics won't save anyone or turn away whoredoms....only the gospel can save and change hearts and people's behaviours. And according to the bible only a remnant will be saved........so we really shouldn't be surprised that most of this world is in a shambles.

I think the bible indicates that this world and this life, is really only a proving/testing ground for our faith, that we are passing through, and after this comes eternity. God's people are waiting for, journeying towards, and looking for a NEW and eternal heavens/earth, not putting down stakes in a temporary place that is appointed to wrath/destruction. The only thing anyone needs to be doing is God's will. And His will for the church is to seek HIS kingdom and righteousness and share the gospel before it is too late and that door is shut and the wrath is poured out.

2Ti 2:3-4
Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

For here we have no continuing city but we await one to come .
All na tions to include the nation called israel will be going under the wrath and destruction of the LORD .
And all not of Christ will have been removed . There is no place upon earth , not a city one
of this world that will not be dissolved . Peter , a jew , and others KNEW this .
They , as do we , LOOK for the heavenly city to Come . One , which by faith in Christ we are al ready connected to
BY the SPIRIT .
All false doctrines were always going to lead this people to the BIG LIE now being presented in this final age .
For no lie is of the Truth and once leaven enters and is b ought and entertained it was always
going to bring more and only more leaven within till the whole lump be leavened .
The key to all who bought the lie was , THEIR focus and hopes were and had been in men , in this world and in this life .
And they did all to convince themselves it was possible to have that heart IN TWO places . But alas it never was possible .
FOR as you see they hold to the one and will despise the other . THERE simply is
no way to blend both light and darkness , both heavenly with earthen . IT was one or the other .
As for the sheep , OUR KINGDOM IS heavenly and our hopes and affections are above and not on this world .
Soon the lie of all lies will have encapsulated all not in the lambs book of life
Under what all will see as GOD and as his plan for world peace . And though they doctrines will not
agree , WHAT THEY WILL agree upon is
THE dire need to overlook all our differences and to be as one peoples of one world , of one kingdom
And then war shall be raged against any and all who did not conform .
battles have always raged throughout all ag es , but this will be THE Cimatic peak and hour of all out rebellion
against God , Christ and those of HIS who did not buy the lie , who did not conform
to the image of what they all beleived and will beleive IS OF GOD . Ecumeincalsim WILL BECOME the CRUSADES .

 

[Lizbeth]

Are you another one stuck in OT mentality? We are not old covenant Jews....we are new covenant Christians....God hasn’t sanctioned a war since the days of ancient Israel....by the time Jesus walked the earth, Rome was in control of the “holy land” and the Jews were oppressed under Roman law...they didn’t even have a military force back then. Any Jew who joined the army were fighting with the enemy.....like tax collectors, they were despised.

There is no precedent for a “Christian” army nor any “Christian” nation.....those in the early centuries who fought in the Crusades were not Christians; they were under the authority of the Roman church....whose behaviour was anything but Christian. Just because a war is religiously motivated, doesn’t mean that God will intervene.....he is permitting the rulership of the devil, (which involves the whole world. 1 John 5:19) to give satan “enough rope”.....soon the end of that rope will mean the end of all wars...but it will not be at the hands of man.

Amen. The OT is full of types/shadows/allegories for spiritual things. The church's warfare is spiritual warfare. We are not wrestling with flesh and blood...........Israel's enemies in the OT serve as allegories for Satan's hordes of demons that always seek to destroy the people of God. This is our battle...to overcome the enemy.

 

[Lizbeth]

Often it is a mistake to take the literal word of God literally as there is a context that is not meant to have universal applicability.

This is one of those times as I demonstrated. Said differently, IF this world is controlled by the devil, how do you reconcile that fact with the existence of the Bible, the prophets revealing God’s will, Jesus and the billions who testify to God acting in their lives?

I suspect there is over-spiritualism also in today’s culture that clouds things. Jesus did not spiritually rise from the dead by fleshy, carnal, bodily. This has practical meaning.

All you have to do is open your eyes, look around you and see how this world is under the sway of the devil. The Lord has been opening my eyes wider in recent times. I could wish I didn't know what I know and were a child again, oblivious to the evil. Deep darkness indeed covers the earth.......except in the hearts of those He has given His light to, who have arisen and shine it.

 

[amigo de christo]

All you have to do is open your eyes, look around you and see how this world is under the sway of the devil. The Lord has been opening my eyes wider in recent times. I could wish I didn't know what I know and were a child again, oblivious to the evil. Deep darkness indeed covers the earth.......except in the hearts of those He has given His light to, who have arisen and shine it.

Battle stations . Let each be faithful with what GOD has given them .
Always pointing to CHRIST JESUS and all sound doctrine .
For the end shall come and it will come in a day and in an hour that no man knows .
It will come in a day and in an hour when the sour bud has ripened and inquity has hit the full .
For when they shall say peace n safety , THEN sudden destruction shall come upon them all
and they shall NOT escape .

 

[NayborBear]

He doesn’t need the USA or any other militarised nation to save anyone. He can do it just fine on his own...making his own decisions on what he will do and intervening only when his purpose is served...

Whoa up there girlie! Back your pacifistic preaching rhetoric's down a few notches and, at least think concerning the duality of what you're putting forth in your postings!

Let's ponder concerning God's interventionings only when His purpose/s are served! Shall we?
You may see the NEAR HIT of a would be assassin's bullet as merely fate stepping in for "the Donald!" Actually? I don't know how you see or interpret that incident.
Serving His purpose when faith is sparse?
If THAT AIN'T God intervening.......?

Can you think of any president in the last 50 years that fights "fire WITH FIRE" against the enemy of not just Israel, but also the U.S. of A.?

I CAN'T!

 

[TLHKAJ]

You may see the NEAR HIT of a would be assassin's bullet as merely fate stepping in for "the Donald!" Actually? I don't know how you see or interpret that incident.
Serving His purpose when faith is sparse?
If THAT AIN'T God intervening.......?

Believe what you choose, but that was a psyop. He was not shot.

 

[Wrangler]

The OT is full of types/shadows/allegories for spiritual things.

This is what I mean by over-spiritualization. The OT is filled with concrete, explicit soul-full histories of God using righteous violence to achieve justice on Earth here and now.

It's not all about allegories. Jesus literally feed 1,000's and cured people's physical needs. It wasn't types/shadows/allegories for spiritual things. It was real, carnal, fleshy, soulful.

 

[Triumph1300]

This is what it amounts to:

 

[NayborBear]

Believe what you choose, but that was a psyop. He was not shot.

So was the moon landing back in the day. Just as is this most recent "space extravaganza".
And so was the the 7th when more then several folks in Israel were allegedly shot!
Just like 9/11! Just so MANY "psyops" aren't there?
Just as the Jewish Holocaust was during WW-Twiced!
ALL of them........"psyops!"

Honey? You just lost ALL CREDIBILITY with not only me?
But with anyone that has enough sense to pour water out of their boot!
Yet? This is to be expected with ones' such as yourself that are up that proverbial river in Egypt without a paddle! Just floating along while basking in "Da-Nile!"
You have been duped!

 

[Wrangler]

Believe what you choose, but that was a psyop. He was not shot.

I was confused by all the blood, video evidence, eye witnesses and murdered man.

 

[NayborBear]

This is what it amounts to:View attachment 82691

As I stated earlier to a certain "karen" who shall go unnamed:
"I may be, and am VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED regarding your "non-biblical posting editorials!""
"YET?!" "I will FIGHT TO THE DEATH for your RIGHT TO BE WRONG!"