Sin Unto Death

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course. Titus teaches faith + works (for salvation) any way you slice it.

He said plainly he does not teach works.

then adds works.

They can't get past that point..

 

[mailmandan]

You have shown your doctrine to be inconsistent, and contradictory,

Above quote, you teach, include obedience in salvation.
Next quote, you contradict yourself and condemn obedience and exclude obedience from the gospel, quote below,

Clear contradiction! Inconsistent!
You just admitted obedience is works.

YOU ADDED OBEDIENCE! THEN YOU REMOVED OBEDIENCE!

Your false gospel adds obedience when it is convenient for you.
Then you remove it when it is not convenient!

I already explained to you that there is a difference between the obedient act of choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and multiple acts of obedience/works which “follow.” No contractions or inconsistencies on my part. You just don’t understand and there is a reason for that. (1 Corinthians 2:14)

I know God has given you the intelligence to see your error.
You are making yourself look foolish, friend.

Now you are acting like a childish jerk, which does not help your case, but instead makes you look foolish.

You teach no works in Jesus' gospel, sometimes then teach obedient works to be saved at other times.

] That’s not what I teach. Enough with the straw man arguments.

No way, I can be convinced by your unstable reasoning you have no the truth.

You don’t even understand my reasoning and you continue to remain confused.

Salvation is cooperation between God and man.
Gods grace, Gods part
Man's obedient faith, Mans part

Man’s obedient faith? Notice how you try to “shoe horn” obedient works “into” salvation by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Typical move by works-salvationists.

Without man cooperating with Gods terms, no salvation will be given by God as a free gift.
Can anyone be saved if they do not meet the condition to believe? No

We must believe in order to be saved. (John 3:18; Acts 16:31)

We are saved by Jesus' work on the cross! Saved by works of God! You say,

Saved by Christ’s finished work of redemption. (Romans 3:24)

Fine, Danthemailman, if you want to believe you can be saved without God working His power on you, you are without hope.

Straw man argument. The gospel comes to us not in word only but also in power and in the Holy Spirit. (1 Thessalonians 1:5)

John 17:4
I have glorified You on earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.

Amen!

Danthemailman's gospel is no works salvation.
Saved without the work of Jesus Christ.
Doctrines of demons.

My gospel is not saved without the work of Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption is the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation. ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) You are showing your true colors through your false accusations and your perversion of the gospel. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

Are you too ashamed to tell me which church you attend? Is it a cult?

 

[mailmandan]

He said plainly he does not teach works.

then adds works.

They can't get past that point..

And he has the audacity to accuse me of contradictions and inconsistencies.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And he has the audacity to accuse me of contradictions and inconsistencies.

its crazy,,.

Its not of works, But you must do works

Its not of works. But you teach against works, so your deceived

Its not of works. But you must be baptized

Its not of works. But you preach against works. so your in error.

Contradiction after contradiction after contradiction.

Then he accuses us as being decieved..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I already explained to you that there is a difference between the obedient act of choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and multiple acts of obedience/works which “follow.” No contractions or inconsistencies on my part. You just don’t understand and there is a reason for that. (1 Corinthians 2:14)

Now you are acting like a childish jerk, which does not help your case, but instead makes you look foolish.

] That’s not what I teach. Enough with the straw man arguments.

You don’t even understand my reasoning and you continue to remain confused.

Man’s obedient faith? Notice how you try to “shoe horn” obedient works “into” salvation by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Typical move by works-salvationists.

We must believe in order to be saved. (John 3:18; Acts 16:31)

Saved by Christ’s finished work of redemption. (Romans 3:24)

Straw man argument. The gospel comes to us not in word only but also in power and in the Holy Spirit. (1 Thessalonians 1:5)

Amen!

My gospel is not saved without the work of Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption is the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation. ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) You are showing your true colors through your false accusations and your perversion of the gospel. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

Are you too ashamed to tell me which church you attend? Is it a cult?

sounds CoC to me

Either way,

He who believes is not condemned (here is how we are saved)

He who believes is condemned already because they have not believed (this is how we are not saved)

there is only one work in both clauses..

Belief (actually living faith, not mere belief which never saved anyone)

nothing else.. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, period..

 

[mailmandan]

its crazy,,.

Its not of works

But you must do works

Its not of works. But you teach against works, so your decieved

Its not of works. But you must be baptized

Its not of works. But you preach against works. so your in error.

Contradiction after contradiction after contradiction.

Then he accuses of as being decieved..

It’s absolutely crazy!

 

[mailmandan]

sounds CoC to me

Either way,

He who believes is not condemned (here is how we are saved)

He who believes is condemned already because they have not believed (this is how we are not saved)

there is only one work in both clauses..

Belief (actually living faith, not mere belief which never saved anyone)

nothing else.. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, period..

I was thinking CoC as well.

 

[Titus]

He said plainly he does not teach works.

then adds works.

They can't get past that point..

LIAR, I do teach works to salvation!!!!
QUOTE ME WHERE I SAID NO WORKS IN SALVATION!

It is the works of God that save us.
God saves us through His works, thus the gospel is a works based salvation!

 

[michaelvpardo]

If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. - 1 John 5:16.

What is the sin unto death?
What is the sin not into death?
What is the sin unto death, that we should not pray for it?

All sin is unrighteousness:
There is a sin that is not unto death! and a sin unto death!

We know that he that is born of God does not commit sin; but he that is begotten of God keepth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. Doesn't that sound like a life that would be a joy to live.

Please share your understanding of that sin unto death. And the sin that is not unto death!

19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. - 1 John 5:19-20.

I think John was referring to the sins with a death penalty under the law of Moses, such as murder, adultery, blasphemy, etc.

Jesus sometimes forgave those under the sentence of death, such as the woman caught in the act of adultery, but always commanded such to sin no more. Since Jesus understood our fallen nature (He knew what was in men) I believe that when He told people to sin no more, He was referring to sin that leads to death.

There is sin which does not lead to death. For example, if you saw a beggar on the street and were carrying money and could help that beggar, but didn't, then you sinned in knowing to do good, but failing to do so. This is sin, but not sin leading to death.
Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. James 4:17

 

[Eternally Grateful]

LIAR, I do teach works to salvation!!!!
QUOTE ME WHERE I SAID NO WORKS IN SALVATION!

It is the works of God that save us.
God saves us through His works, thus the gospel is a works based salvation!

1. I never said denied you said we are saved by Gods works

I claimed yuou deny we are saved by our works.

Testy Testy my friend.

oh and PS

Now your a LIAR

Because you teach it is OUR works plus God's works that saves us

 

[Jim B]

LIAR, I do teach works to salvation!!!!
QUOTE ME WHERE I SAID NO WORKS IN SALVATION!

It is the works of God that save us.
God saves us through His works, thus the gospel is a works based salvation!

The last sentence is one of the most bizarre things I have ever read.

a) God saves us through His grace.
b) The gospel is the good news concerning Christ.
c) Please read this over and over until the truth is revealed to you...

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[Titus]

The last sentence is one of the most bizarre things I have ever read.

a) God saves us through His grace.
b) The gospel is the good news concerning Christ.
c) Please read this over and over until the truth is revealed to you...

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

The last sentence is one of the most bizarre things I have ever read.

a) God saves us through His grace.
b) The gospel is the good news concerning Christ.
c) Please read this over and over until the truth is revealed to you...

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Hey, Jim B!,

You need to read all of our debate.
Then you will understand why I teach we are saved by works of God not by a gospel of faith without works.

I do not believe works of man save us. That is why EG, is misrepresenting me.

 

[Titus]

ecause you teach it is OUR works plus God's works that saves us

Wrong!!! STOP MISREPRESENTING ME!!! You accuse me of things I do not believe!

Prove it! Quote me where I said we are saved by the works of man?

Paul said we are not saved by works of merit, Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[Titus]

The last sentence is one of the most bizarre things I have ever read.

a) God saves us through His grace.
b) The gospel is the good news concerning Christ.
c) Please read this over and over until the truth is revealed to you...

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Jim B,
Was Christ sacrifice on the cross that saves the world, His work?
We are not saved by our works.
We are saved by Grace! Grace is the work God has done to save us.

 

[Jim B]

Hey, Jim B!,

You need to read all of our debate.
Then you will understand why I teach we are saved by works of God not by a gospel of faith without works.

I do not believe works of man save us. That is why EG, is misrepresenting me.

Okay, thanks. Prior to this there are 74 posts so I won't read them all.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Wrong!!! STOP MISREPRESENTING ME!!! You accuse me of things I do not believe!

Prove it! Quote me where I said we are saved by the works of man?

Paul said we are not saved by works of merit, Ephesians 2:8-9

here you go!

Salvation by faith only? James 2:24
Plainly contradicts scripture!

Nothing alone saves us!
Saved by,
Baptism, 1Peter 3:21

Now. I will await your apology for bearing false witness.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Okay, thanks. Prior to this there are 74 posts so I won't read them all.

1. He does not believe in eternal security
2. He teaches the work of water baptism is required.

There is more

 

[Jim B]

1. He does not believe in eternal security
2. He teaches the work of water baptism is required.

There is more

Okay. Thanks for the update. If he does not believe in eternal security then he isn't saved, even if he has been baptized in water.

 

[Titus]

here you go!



Now. I will await your apology for bearing false witness.

The problem with you is.
You interpret what I taught, through your own private interpretation of commandments.

Who gave the commandment to be immersed?
Answer: Jesus
Your doctrine teaches you can be saved by disobedience.
You think you're saved without obeying Jesus.

Jesus commands baptism in order to be saved,
You go against Jesus by changing His gospel message.

Mark 16:15-16
And Hecsaid unto them,
Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature,
He that believeth and is NOT baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be danmed.

You do not believe what Jesus taught saves. Therefore you are the one who is still lost.
You are the unbeliever. I believe in Jesus and His gospel.
You only believe in Him as God. You reject His word, gospel.

You must believe in Him and His word to be saved.
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life , and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death to life.

You cannot be saved by only belief that Jesus is God and gat He was raised from the dead, 1Corinthians 15:1-4.
You must believe in Him and His word to be saved.
What does His gospel command? Faith and obedience.

You are not defining baptism in its Biblical usage.
The Bible never teaches the baptism in the name of Jesus is a work of man.
Every time you claim this you are perverting baptism.

You already know this but you would rather hold to doctrine from men rather than accept the word.

Colossians 2:12
Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the work of God, who hath raised Him from the dead.

God teaches baptism is His work.
Baptism in the new testament is never defined as a work of man.

I'm teaching Gods word. You are teaching doctrines of men.

 

[Titus]

Okay. Thanks for the update. If he does not believe in eternal security then he isn't saved, even if he has been baptized in water.

The thing in my mind that I am more assure of than anything else is Jesus is God and only Jesus can save me and the rest of the world.
I believe everything that was said about Jesus in His book is 100% Fact, Truth.
Why am I not saved if I do not believe in OSAS?
I believe Jesus has already saved Me by His work on the cross.