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1stCenturyLady
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John does too, even after our sin has been cleansed and taken away. What is left are misdemeanors from immature fruit (1 John 5:16-17 sins not unto death), so we MUST grow in the Spirit and follow the steps of 2 Peter 1:5-7.
1 John 3:1-3
Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
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Randy Kluth
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Just been talking with my wife about this today. My daughter wanted to know the other day how she can tell the difference between someone who just likes to argue Scripture, or have an intellectual interest in religion, and someone who is actually living a godly Christian life?
I told her that the entire reason the NT was written was precisely to explain such things, and that if it was easy to explain we wouldn't have so much written about it.
The fact is, we are all at different places on our spiritual journey. We're anywhere from babes to fully mature adults. But we never really arrive because as long as we live in these mortal bodies, we have a Sin Nature, and it is always a struggle to die to ourselves, to give way to God's lordship.
We don't just seek advice from God on how to get what we want. No matter how noble the motive, we are always subject to God's lordship. We do set our plans, but He makes the steps. We just don't always like those steps because they involve dying to ourselves, and letting God accomplish things His way. He puts dreams in our hearts. But He alone has the right way to go about achieving those goals.
So sin is always with us for the foreseeable future. We have to keep on fighting the good fight--that's all!
1stCenturyLady
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That is not true. Don't you know what being born again frees us from? Answer this. Why did Jesus come regarding the name of this OP?
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Randy Kluth
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1stCenturyLady
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That didn't answer my question, nor made sense. You're the one who seems clueless. LOL
Paul said that sin will not have dominion over us. Sin has dominion over us by way of the sin nature we inherited from the fall.
It is the "sin that so easily besets us" as Paul said.
Through faith in what Christ did on the Cross, we have been set free from that sin nature, it will not have dominion over us as it did before the regeneration of salvation.
This does not mean we will stop sinning altogether as in sinless perfection. It means we are now conscious of our sin, whereas before we gave it no thought. As the believer matures in Christ, the sin will become less and less, which is our sanctification where the Holy Spirit is slowly but surly taking our practices of sin from us through faith.
Paul makes it clear that perfection takes place at the resurrection, when the mortal shall put on the immortal, the corruptible will put on the incorruptible.
In other words, when we put down this body of flesh, we will put down sin with it, and forever. But not until then!
1stCenturyLady
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This is better than Randy's statement, but doesn't quite hit the mark. To make your election sure, you must put down sin now before we die. To say we can't is the defeatism of the devil and his lie, and not scriptural. Jesus not only took away our sin nature and sins of lawlessness, but gave us His Spirit to plant fruit to grow into perfection, so we never need to stumble any longer. What you are lacking is knowledge of what is flesh, and the fact that our body doesn't sin on it's own, so doesn't need to be born again now. It is a just a puppet doing what our born again spirit and soul makes it do. That is why it can wait for death and resurrection, unlike our spirit and soul that made up our nature that needed to be born again now. Romans 8:9; 2 Peter 1:2-11.
It seems you've been taught the old doctrine of sanctification that takes a lifetime to overcome sin. No. Sin is already taken care of when we were justified and immediately sanctified. That is the purpose of being justified - to be set apart unto God and freed from sin. All that is left to overcome is immature fruit. That growth of fruit to godliness and love is not called sanctification, but glorification - becoming like God. See that Romans 8:29-30 doesn't even mention sanctification because it is at the same time as justification, but it does mention being glorified.
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So what you are saying is that God will not accept us until all sin is gone and we are living a perfect life?
Randy Kluth
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If you don't see the struggle in yourself over doing the right thing in times when it is difficult to do so, then you don't know yourself very well. I would argue that going against the grain of your carnal tendencies is a regular feature of life for the Christian.
If you don't believe so, and wish to believe this is a rationalization for sinning, you're entitled to your opinion. But that is a form of judgmentalism and is, I believe, a kind of denial of reality. Even worse, it denies what the Apostle John said is fact, namely that we have sin in us and require the confession of sin and the forgiveness of sin regularly.
You may feel "spiritual" for awhile as you proclaim "holiness." But you're destined to end up in hopelessness and guilt, at least until you learn the power and reality of Grace. Peace comes when we learn to *overcome* these sin tendencies, rather than deny them.
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