MY understanding is that we are a spirit living in a body and we have a soul.
YOU disagree.
But my belief can be backed up with what is said in the bible in the four corners of the Holy Bible in 1 Thessalonians 5:23.
YOU still disagree.
No, I don't disagree with this, except to say we became a living soul. And as long as we have the breath of life, which is spirit, we will always be a living soul. Whether in body or out of body, when our spirit is alive in human flesh, or a living spiritual body without form in heaven, we are "living souls."
I never said , nor did Paul... and YOU are the only person... that I have ever heard suggest that mankind could even be thought to be a created a spirit.
Man was not created a spirit! Man was created with a physical body from the dust of the earth, and his body was alive through the breath of life (spirit) breathed into him by God. Then the body with spirit became a living soul. That is exactly what the creation account tells us.
The spirit that gives the breath of life to our body of flesh returns to God when our body gives up life. The spirit will either return to God alive through the Holy Spirit, or the spirit will return to God without life.
WE know... specifically that mankind was not created a spirit...............
How do we know this.?
I don't think this nor have I ever said man was created a spirit! We know this because we have physical flesh that is NOT spirit. The spirit that gives life to our physical body cannot be seen, it is without form.
So, the spirit was breathed into man upon his body being birthed... or perhaps upon his body being conceived.... I have no opinion... (DO NOT got to the soul on this) Repeat... The spirit was breathed into mankind it was given....
EXACTLY! I've been arguing this point exhaustively! The spirit breath of life God breathed into man's physical body so that what God created would become a "living soul."
What do you believe God meant when He said in Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.” It was Jeremiah's spirit.
I'm inclined to say, "knock, knock, is anyone home"? LOL The spirit in Jeremiah with his body of flesh had to become a "living soul" for him to have physical life on this earth. God made Jeremiah to become a living soul when he was physically born by breathing into him the breath of life (spirit).
Spirits cannot die. God is a spirit. Angelic beings are spirits... Yes, even Lucifer with his imbecilic thought processes.... and those that God had/has in heaven. (It is my opinion that those of use who make it to our heavenly eternal existence will be reunited with our spirits once we get our new glorified bodies.
By jolly I think you're getting it! The spirit given to mankind will return to God either alive through the Holy Spirit to be reunited with immortal & incorruptible resurrected body, OR the spirit of mankind without the Holy Spirit will return to God without the Holy Spirit. How the spirit of the DEAD or those who die without Christ's Spirit is preserved by God
I do not know. But I know that all who are in the graves will be bodily resurrected in an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds. Those who died in Christ resurrected to immortal life, and those who died without Christ resurrected to damnation. That means the spirit of the DEAD that returned to God without the Holy Spirit in them must give physical life to their body so they can be judged according to what is written in the books and the book of life.
But the soul is separate.
Separate from what?
But his soul is not yet destroyed with the body.
Without a breath of life (spirit), whether physical life or spiritual life, there is no living soul. What makes a living breathing creature a living soul is BEING ALIVE.
NO! NO! NO! A thousand times NO!
And I am loath to start this one because at the moment I have no time.... BUT think about where Jesus went
during those 3 days .....
He went to sheol.... NO... not to the pits of hell but go back and reread the story of Lazarus and the Rich man.
One of them... Lazarus ... was in a different part of Sheol. It was called upper Sheol or Abrahams bosom or what everyone has understood... Paradise.
PLEASE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DO NOT GET INTO Paradise is up in heaven..... At one time upper Sheol was referred to as Paradise....
I agree! Jesus went to that part of the grave reserved for faithful saints who lived and died waiting for the promised Messiah to come and rescue them from the grave. (1 Pet 3:19) In the parable we learn that the place for the DEAD (faithless) was simply called the grave. But the place for the faithful saints, dying before Christ came and defeated sin and death by His cross and resurrection was called Abrahams bosom. These two were separated by a great chasm that could not be crossed. I don't believe Abraham's bosom was in heaven because no one could ascend to heaven before Christ came and made a way for them to go there. Don't know that Sheol was ever referred to as Paradise? But I do know that paradise is in heaven (2 Cor 12:4 & Rev 2:7).
And this is where I believe the human souls.... our third part... abide until judgement. After which God will determine if both body and soul are destroyed as is said in
Matthew 10:28
“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Can a spirit die. NO!!!!!!!!!!! But the soul can be destroyed.
The body through the spirit in them gives mankind physical life. And this life is called a "living soul." When life goes out of our body when the spirit returns to God how can a soul without the spirit have life? Since the body returns to dust, and the spirit returns to God, the only way that man will continue to be a living soul is through the life of his spirit. The spirit will only have life IF before death he/she was born again of the Holy Spirit of Christ. Because it is only through the Holy Spirit that man may have ETERNAL spiritual life. Without the Spirit of Christ giving our spirit life after it departs from our dead body, the Bible says we are DEAD and in silence and darkness.
You believe what you believe because you do not accept that Christ plainly tells us that He created man with a body and breathed the breath of life (spirit) into him, and man became a living soul. Not three part, but two parts with life, called living souls.
Our body and our soul have their own specific functions; only our spirit has the ability to contact God. We can see this from numerous verses, including John 4:24:
“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
In order to contact—or worship—God, who is Spirit, we must use our spirit.
What happens to the spirits when God destroys a body and Soul. I have no idea but we know all spirits go back to God who gave them on death..... Ecclesiastes 2:24
We have no need to know or it would have been told us. And we are not to question God.
Perhaps those spirits not reunited with the glorified bodies will turn into another magnificent creature of out heavenly father...... IDK and IDC
Natural mankind cannot know or enter the Kingdom of God. (Jo 3) The only way in which mankind can know and be in relationship with God is through the Spirit of Christ in us. That's why John writes "Ye must be born again." It is through Christ's Spirit in us that worship God in spirit and truth.