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Everyone has an "opinion"....There is only one TRUTH: Baptism saves you (1 Pet. 3:21). Nothing there about a public confession which does not support your opinion.
Scripture says we receive the Holy Spirit thru baptism (Acts 2:38) which is opposite of your opinion.
Not looking for a "nasty back and forth". I am Just repeating scripture
Wouldn't the teaching of yourself be a teaching of man (woman in this case)?
Mary
If this is the *one truth*, then that repentant thief on the cross did not stand a chance, and neither did any OT saint.
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Context: the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect.
If you put the conversation in context you would understand what I was talking about.
If you need help, let me know.
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Truth needs no opinion to defend it.
We cannot generate truth, only opinions on truth
Therefore, asserting opinions on either side of the coin is vanity
We cannot generate truth, only opinions on truth
Therefore, asserting opinions on either side of the coin is vanity
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Yes Helen, agreed but, you and I never say it is absolute truth if we are stating an opinion. ♥
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Very true Nancy.
I must say it does irritate me when people say..."Yes, this is the truth because the bible says so. " They can never see that it is still how THEY interpret the verse....
To me it is just arrogance.
I like posting to people who are willing to say " As I see it"...or "This is what I believe"...or IMHO...
But arrogance with scriptures when they say- " there is no other interpretation...I am right."
Then I don't want to discuss with them it is a waste of time.
And, as you know, neither do I like- " give me bible proof"...
Oh well, it seems to be the way on forums
It would be nice to know how H2O can wash away sins.
On its own, it doesn't. But mixed with the following...
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Amen.
Some either have eyes to see it...or , obviously, some do not...
maybe it has to do with the 3 blind men who were given sight by our Lord. Two rushed off to tell everyone they could see, but only one came back and remained. And if you pair that with the one of the man who was given sight in two stages, first faint and blurry, then full sight as he spoke with our Lord and He touched the man again, you can't believe it took Him 2 tries to get the healing right, so...what does it mean for us?
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Yes it does seem to be the way. I guess that "ignore button" is there for a reason, only used it once, so it would have to be pretty bad for me to do that. I say the Holy Spirit deals with each of us in different ways and reveals to us what WE need to know at any given time. Amen!Very true Nancy.
I must say it does irritate me when people say..."Yes, this is the truth because the bible says so. " They can never see that it is still how THEY interpret the verse....
To me it is just arrogance.
I like posting to people who are willing to say " As I see it"...or "This is what I believe"...or IMHO...
But arrogance with scriptures when they say- " there is no other interpretation...I am right."
Then I don't want to discuss with them it is a waste of time.
And, as you know, neither do I like- " give me bible proof"...
Oh well, it seems to be the way on forums
If you agree with them, then it must be truth. If you disagree with them, then it's their interpretation.
“The Bible is the supreme, infallible revelation of God to all men in all nations, and for all time. By this book all theories, teachings, and doctrines are to be tried. By it all men's characters are to be weighed, and their destiny decided. Next to the gift of Christ to redeem the human race, the Bible, God's holy word, is God's best gift to instruct and guide mankind through the journey of life. Theories, whether of religion, science, or morals, that plainly contradict this divine Book are false. They are not of God. They must, therefore, be rejected.”
“Yet the fact that God has revealed His will to men through His word, has not rendered needless the continued presence and guiding of the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, the Spirit was promised by our Saviour, to open the word to His servants, to illuminate and apply its teachings. And since it was the Spirit of God that inspired the Bible, it is impossible that the teaching of the Spirit should ever be contrary to that of the word.”
“The Spirit was not given -- nor can it ever be bestowed -- to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Says the apostle John, "Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1. And Isaiah declares, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20.”
“Yet the fact that God has revealed His will to men through His word, has not rendered needless the continued presence and guiding of the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, the Spirit was promised by our Saviour, to open the word to His servants, to illuminate and apply its teachings. And since it was the Spirit of God that inspired the Bible, it is impossible that the teaching of the Spirit should ever be contrary to that of the word.”
“The Spirit was not given -- nor can it ever be bestowed -- to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Says the apostle John, "Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1. And Isaiah declares, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20.”
No, I think Helen, Nancy and I are alike in that. We don't claim we have the only truth... but that we have the part of the truth God intends for us to have at this particular time.
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I disagree. We all have whatever truth we are willing to accept. Our own pride... Unbelief... Prejudices... Are roadblocks to understanding. None of us have all the truth God desires for us. He sent his spirit that we may understand all truth as revealed in the scripture, but only those who study... Who are willing to mine... And have a love for truth... Will ever come to a knowledge of it. Nevertheless, the potential for great understanding and knowledge remains available to all... And we all have the means to grow... Of we are willing.
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...or at least insufficient.
The truth can indeed be known. Jesus said..you will know the truth...and not...you will know SOME of the truth or...you will know A truth.
That's how I see the denoms...the pillar and ground of a truth....but not the truth.
Knowing the truth allows you to see things according to the Spirit. It allows you to properly discern the Body. It allows you freedom over sin and the world.
Of course all believers know something of the truth. But that is insufficient. We need to seek the Lord for the whole revelation of Christ. If a person tries to explain the truth...it just sounds like another opinion...and a far-fetched one at that.
So then let each person seek the Lord until they find. Then we will have a unity based in Spirit and in truth.
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what if the truth is that you cannot know the truth? At least not well enough to chisel it in stone for application to every eventuality?
But even in the moment we generally recognize that there is more than one way to skin a cat right
ah well i would have put that diff wadr, but you might be speaking from a diff tense and i'm just misinterpreting too, dunno
We are to be led by the Spirit. So then the truth is not a static thing...
A doctrine is not enough...but the truth is.
The truth is a living connection to God by abiding in Christ through the Spirit. The truth is to know Jesus and walk as He walked. This is accomplished by the divine gift called grace.
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