Spiritual etymology

[Patrick1966]

The idea of Marxism stems from envy and rebellion.

FWIW, it's my understanding that Marx was a Satanist.

 

[Patrick1966]

Unnatural affection comes from a reprobate mind. God hands us over to it when we forget about him and worship the creation over the creator.

I believe he does so for their own spiritual development.

 

[lforrest]

I believe he does so for their own spiritual development.

1 Corinthians 5:5
Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

If people falling over dead was counted as spiritual development I don't suppose Christianity would win many converts.

 

[Patrick1966]

1 Corinthians 5:5
Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

If people falling over dead was counted as spiritual development I don't suppose Christianity would win many converts.

It sounds like Paul was telling them to KILL the offender but I think he was communicating that the offender must be rejected by their assembly, as stated in the last sentence.

5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. 2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

3 For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. 4 When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.[a]

6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges[c] those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

 

[Patrick1966]

1 Corinthians 5:5
Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

If people falling over dead was counted as spiritual development I don't suppose Christianity would win many converts.

What do you believe is God's purpose in handing them over to a reprobate mind?

 

[MatthewG]

In the 2nd letter Paul asks for the person they thrown out to be taken care of again.

 

[lforrest]

What do you believe is God's purpose in handing them over to a reprobate mind?

Im thinking it might have nothing to do with the spiritual growth of ones who are handed over, but with the laws in heaven.

 

[Patrick1966]

Im thinking it might have nothing to do with the spiritual growth of ones who are handed over, but with the laws in heaven.

Well, I believe that ALL are saved in the end and I also believe that there is purpose to everything God does. I believe Earthly experiences are collectively edifying to all of mankind in the hereafter.

 

[ScottA]

It seems to me that there is an unnamed and undiscovered art in this world.

Spiritual discernment can be applied to any idea. And from that the spirit or spirits behind it exposed. All the way down to the roots. Sort of like an etymology.

An example that is probably not correct or complete, but will give you an idea of what I'm on about:

The idea of Marxism stems from envy and rebellion. Envy comes from pride and doubt. Rebellion, pride, and doubt all come directly from Satan.

So by breaking down an idea to it's spiritual roots we can form insights about it. Insights about how to categorize it, and how to attack or defend against it.

Not sure "art" quite captures the form of it, although art certainly does align with spiritual gifts, as certainly God-given.

Regardless, it is good to point out that many overlook the trajectory, and therefore, the full meaning of what we now have set before us. The read limited to the present, simply does not tell all. Now, having said that--there too may be purpose in that, just as there is in His strength is made perfect in weakness. Regardless, however, the priority still calls for having ones ear in tune to the Spirit, regardless of the former things. Those of old were also subject to the same priority, but it cannot be accurately said that slumber was not also by design, even to the crucifying of Christ.

I suppose then, that leaves us with fair warning, that we may be free to put our heads down and hum over the signs only to resign from service...but is that what we are called to do? I should think not.

Alternatively, we should instead be asking questions--not of men, but of God; we should be listening more and speaking less; and preachers--preachers in addition to prayer, should first write "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" at the top of every sermon as a note to self, before speaking.

 

[ScottA]

Well, I believe that ALL are saved in the end and I also believe that there is purpose to everything God does. I believe Earthly experiences are collectively edifying to all of mankind in the hereafter.

1 Corinthians 5:5​

Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.​

But what does "the day of the Lord" bring? It brings the Judgement. Which would not come if "ALL are saved."

Which need not be said if one also believes that "God is a consuming fire."

 

[amigo de christo]

I am not sure where you're going with this. Here are good definitions of Marxism: a) one of the primary principles of Marxism is that the modes of production and the relationships of exchange form the base of society, i.e., its primary features and b) Marx condemned capitalism as a system that alienates the masses. His reasoning was as follows: although workers produce things for the market, market forces, not workers, control things. People are required to work for capitalists who have full control over the means of production and maintain power in the workplace."

I don't see envy and rebellion here.

tell that to pope francis and the all inclusive social gospel .

 

[Patrick1966]

But what does "the day of the Lord" bring? It brings the Judgement. Which would not come if "ALL are saved."

I believe that people are damned but that it is restorative in addition to being punitive for the purpose of cleansing the souls. Thereafter, they join the rest of us.

 

[ScottA]

I believe that people are damned but that it is restorative in addition to being punitive for the purpose of cleansing the souls. Thereafter, they join the rest of us.

So...you believe that "destroy" (with holy fire) does not actually mean destroy??

 

[Patrick1966]

So...you believe that "destroy" (with holy fire) does not actually mean destroy??

I don't believe that God eternally damns his children.

 

[ScottA]

I don't believe that God eternally damns his children.

He doesn't. But what you are apparently not understanding, is that He only has one child, One begotten. In other words, just as it has been written from the beginning, you are only looking at an "image" the One unfolding into the many. No actual children are harmed.

But if you do not see things except from within the created "image", then you will only see it all as if reality existed in the creation rather than in God. In other words, it doesn't matter if Mickey Mouse believes that Mini Mouse is real and that when the lights go out she will cease to exist...because he is no more real than she is, and that is all they know.

This is what Jesus meant when He said "two shall be in a field and on shall be taken and the other left." It is only those who are born out of the image and into God who remain--while the "image" is "destroyed."

Shocking, I know--just about as crazy as needing to eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood. But it's all written, you have just not seen it for what it is. Remember, the end is us "seeing Him as He is, for we shall be like Him."

 

[Patrick1966]

This is what Jesus meant when He said "two shall be in a field and on shall be taken and the other left." It is only those who are born out of the image and into God who remain--while the "image" is "destroyed."

I presume that is referring to a rapture.

Paul said that Jesus is the savior of ALL mankind. There are numerous other verses that essentially say the same thing.

1 Timothy 4:10 esv
For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

 

[ScottA]

I presume that is referring to a rapture.

Paul said that Jesus is the savior of ALL mankind. There are numerous other verses that essentially say the same thing.

1 Timothy 4:10 esv
For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

One must understand the context of 1 Timothy 4:10. "All people" is all "in Christ"--not all "images" who were not born out of the image world and into God.

Regardless, to be convinced only by the part the scriptures that seem to support your belief, does not make void those that don't, but emphatically show a dividing line between the saved and the unsaved. Both include numerous passages, and you have not reconciled them, but only picked what is to your liking. That's good of you--God likes that side best too. But that is not all there is.

 

[Patrick1966]

One must understand the context of 1 Timothy 4:10. "All people" is all "in Christ"--not all "images" who were not born out of the image world and into God.

Regardless, to be convinced only by the part the scriptures that seem to support your belief, does not make void those that don't, but emphatically show a dividing line between the saved and the unsaved. Both include numerous passages, and you have not reconciled them, but only picked what is to your liking. That's good of you--God likes that side best too. But that is not all there is.

Which verse says that people are damned for eternity?

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

 

[amigo de christo]

The problem with the Soviet Union as I was told was that they had a good idea but it was destined to fail. They wanted everyone to end up with the same wage like the church was established in the bible. But what ended up happening was that every important person had the large house on the hill and all the little people ended up in apartments.

Applying your spiritual idea makes me think of selfishness. Something I struggle with. It is spiritually against God. When I act in a selfless way I feel the Lords spirit and it is wonderful. Perhaps the selfishness got hold of the Soviet Union?

They took GOD out of the equation . They made GOVT the GOD . much like what i am seeing going on
in the western nations as we speak . In all honestly it seems like what is going on in this world
came right out of the communist manfesto .
Break the churches down from within , mold them into a mouthpiece for the agenda .
Take over news stations , have them spout the propoganda .
Take over the educational system
over science
over religion and religions .
Make truth into a liquid , then reshape the truth into the agenda .
Break down all trust in fundamnetal truth .
Pit the peoples against each other .
create the problem , support the chaos , Then slam HOME the SOLUTION .
Break down , then reshape . These folks been at work for a long time my friend .
And due to the rebellion that has occured against GOD and the fact so many loved to have it so ,
WELL its all been given over to total reprobation of mind .
The peoples are groaning under what the ELITES themselves have helped to cause
not knowing , and have no idea these same ones are already supplanting the very ideals
and the very solution that will give , THEMSELVES , all the power and control THEY ALWAYS DESIRED .
DIGITAL SYSTEM . YE CONFORM NOT , YE NO BUY YE NO SELL . ITS ALL COMING DEVIN
and through fear manipulated unto the masses and through ideals of convience , peace and safety , THE PEOPLES ARE
BUYING INTO IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

The problem with the Soviet Union as I was told was that they had a good idea but it was destined to fail. They wanted everyone to end up with the same wage like the church was established in the bible. But what ended up happening was that every important person had the large house on the hill and all the little people ended up in apartments.

Applying your spiritual idea makes me think of selfishness. Something I struggle with. It is spiritually against God. When I act in a selfless way I feel the Lords spirit and it is wonderful. Perhaps the selfishness got hold of the Soviet Union?

The problem lies in MAN Himself devin . and when ungodly men create a system , rest assured no matter how good it seems ,
IT WILL FAIL . The problem is WITH MAN . We should have stuck to GOD and that bible is all i can say .
I cant claim i was not once part of the problem , I WAS , truth is i was more evil than most .
But grace transforms the heart , the eyes are opened and the life is changed . WE SHOULD HAVE STUCK TO GOD and HIS CHRIST
AND THAT BIBLE is all i can say . The nations of the world will soon reap the very whirlwind .
POINT TO JESUS , cause at least the lambs have a good end and HE will be with us no matter what comes against us .