Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.
Am I understanding you right, that the Sabbath is still to be kept.
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Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.
Thank you for the response. The part that I had made bold was that which I was most interested in hearing about.
With regard to Psalms 95, we see Paul writing of it in Hebrews 3, and I do agree, that is with regard to entering the "Promised Land". However, those who were to enter and did not, and those who entered the "Promised Land", still had a sabbatismos to keep both while in the wilderness and after entering. A time of ceasing from their own labor, "as God did from His". Which was upon the seventh day in Genesis.
Heb 4:4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.
We are currently "in the wilderness" so to speak, awaiting to enter the "Promised Land".
Please take note, that in v8: For if Joshua / Jesus had given them "rest", it is a verb rather the noun used throughout the rest of Hebrews 3 and 4. And as I am sure you aware, that "rest" in verse 9 is sabbatismos and not katapausis.
I do concur, we are being warned not to make the same mistakes. So let us make every effort to enter that rest, lest any fall after the example of apeitheias.
What is apeitheias? Besides a fem. sing. noun.
Our "Promised Land" is the "New Heavens and the New Earth":
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YHVH, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YHVH.
You say our rest is in Jesus. Did God rest in Jesus? Or did God cease from His work of creation as the author of Hebrews speaks of in v4.
We must each do that which we are each convinced of. So I judge you not with regard to this. Nor do I seek to simply win some debate, for if that is my only motive, nobody wins. I am simply sharing from my perspective.
Did I say that?Am I understanding you right, that the Sabbath is still to be kept.
Why in this information age, are most Christians keeping Sunday? The information is available at the touch of a mouse. The Sabbath was changed by a Roman Emperor, He passed a Law that no one would any longer keep any of the Jewish Feasts or their Sabbaths. We will keep the First Day of the week,Sunday, and if you disobeyed this Law you were Executed. Constantine was a worshiper of Sol Invictus Mithra, The Sun God!! Thus Sun-Day! By keeping Sun-Day we are obeying a Roman Emperor. Not the Fourth Commandment,or God, Or our Savior. In Matthew 19: 16-17 Yeshua is approached by a young man that says- ver 16- Good teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? 17- Yeshua says to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into Life, Keep the Commandments" verses 18-19 Yeshua gives a overview of the 10 Commandments.
Council Of Laodica, Canon 29 - Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, BUT MUST WORK on that Day honoring rather the lords day by resting, if possible,as Christians, However, if any shall be found Judaizing, let them be shut out from Christ???
A Law changes the Sabbath, and then we are ordered to work on that day, which God said that thou shall do no work on the Sabbath, 6 days shall you work and on the 7th day you shall rest!
Why in this information age, are most Christians keeping Sunday? The information is available at the touch of a mouse. The Sabbath was changed by a Roman Emperor, He passed a Law that no one would any longer keep any of the Jewish Feasts or their Sabbaths. We will keep the First Day of the week,Sunday, and if you disobeyed this Law you were Executed. Constantine was a worshiper of Sol Invictus Mithra, The Sun God!! Thus Sun-Day! By keeping Sun-Day we are obeying a Roman Emperor. Not the Fourth Commandment,or God, Or our Savior. In Matthew 19: 16-17 Yeshua is approached by a young man that says- ver 16- Good teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? 17- Yeshua says to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into Life, Keep the Commandments" verses 18-19 Yeshua gives a overview of the 10 Commandments.
Council Of Laodica, Canon 29 - Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, BUT MUST WORK on that Day honoring rather the lords day by resting, if possible,as Christians, However, if any shall be found Judaizing, let them be shut out from Christ???
A Law changes the Sabbath, and then we are ordered to work on that day, which God said that thou shall do no work on the Sabbath, 6 days shall you work and on the 7th day you shall rest!
How about instead of worrying about not working on the Sabbath, you focus on serving God by doing good, such as giving money to the poor, helping the needy, etc? We know that observance of the Sabbath, which was a foreshadow of the millennial Sabbath, is of no avail in relation to the true righteousness of God, which involves what I just described. If you observe the Sabbath but do not do what is ACTUALLY REQUIRED of you, which is bearing GOOD FRUIT, which is doing GOOD WORKS, then your Sabbath observances will be of no avail.
Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations— I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; they have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them. When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood. Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes; cease to do evil, learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow’s cause. (Isaiah 1:13-17 [NIV])
well how it came to pass is of no real consequence. thing is the eighth day is the day that Jesus was raised and we know that it is true that Rome treated all beliefs other than the catholic religion as hostile. does it matter how the gentiles nations go about the business of letting the state of Israel be restored to the Jews? all the matters is the state of Israel is restored to the Jews.
consider the Muslims honor the sixth day the day man died of the original life God gave man, and the day Jesus was crucified.(that give one a clue to what Muhammad the prophet of Islam and his idol he found in Mecca are about). then there is the Jews that honor the seventh day the day God rested and the day the crucified Christ rested in the grave. the Christian community honors the eighth day the day Jesus was risen and the new day described by the prophets that is to come.
if you break any of the other commandments what are you? and surly one isn't to honor the Sabbath to their own harm are they? even Jesus mentions that an Israelite has no problem with recuing a sheep on a Sabbath, isn't that correct?
Did I say that?
For myself, yes. I believe in upholding shabat.
Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days YHVH made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
I love ya man, but I think it does matter!
thing is the eighth day is the day that Jesus was raised
umm Christ was raised on the third day
1 cor 15:3 ...how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
Some people have the erroneous belief that this third day fell on the first day of the week but, to properly understand what day it was one needs to know first what a God defined day is and then grasp the scripture that defined what day of the week was described.
Matt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. 5And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6He is not here: for he is risen, as he said.
A God defined day begins at evening and ends at sunrise.
When they arrived at the tomb they were told that Christ had already been resurrected prior to their arrival. There is no where that it says that he rose on the first day of the week. It simply says that as the day was dawning toward the first day that the resurrection had already occurred thus, for it to have already occurred would place the time of rising during the end of the Sabbath day.
The seventh day Sabbath holds double meaning for the men existing after Christ. By honoring God on that day we honor the creator of the heavens and the earth and we would also be honoring the savior of the faithful who showed that it is good to do good on the Sabbath that he is lord of.
You dishonor God by changing the appointed time of his Sabbath in accordance to his Law. Who are you to change the Sabbath that he himself set even from the beginning of creation? Instead, if you wish to honor Jesus Christ, then do what he says. Feed the hungry, give to the poor.
ummm what? There has been no change in the Sabbath days appointed time since the creation.
Ex 20:8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The seventh day of the week is the only day God defined as his Sabbath and he hallowed it. No other day has been stated as Gods Sabbath.....ever.... nor could any other day be given, since that day defines the creator according to the historical actions they took in the creation.
The Sabbath is always the seventh day. It has never changed.
We who are Christian observe Sunday, the first day of the week, as that is when Christ rose from the dead. We are under no law to do so. But we do as the early church did.
It doesn't matter to me if a Christian considers the first day of the week a Christian Sabbath or not. What matters is what is in his heart as he observes this day. Remember the Jews were strict keepers of the Sabbath, but were of they synagogue of Satan. So, though they were correct in the observance of the Sabbath, their observance was not accepted by God. It meant nothing.
Stranger
By observing the Sabbath on Sunday you have changed the Sabbath. If you are going to keep the Sabbath, then keep it on the appointed time, not on any day you want and however you want. The Law of God has not been abolished, per Jesus Christ's words. If, however, you do not wish to keep the Sabbath, by refraining from work as commanded by the Law, then you are at liberty not to, because although the Law has not been abolished, the Sabbath is merely a shadow of the future thousand year Sabbath. But to change the time you observe the Sabbath, this you are not permitted to do, for you are sinning by distorting the command of God.
I am not changing the time of the Sabbath. I said the Sabbath is the seventh day. The first day of the week is not the Sabbath. But that is the day Christians gather to worship God and Christ. Reread again what I said.
You either contradict yourself or you're mistaken. You say the "Law of God has not been abolished". You then say, "If however, you do not wish to keep the Sabbath...then you are at liberty not to...." The Law never allows you the liberty to break it. You keep it or you don't. If you don't, you're a lawbreaker.
Stranger
You do not understand, for whoever enters in the greater thousand year Sabbath, which is what the weekly Sabbath foreshadowed, hence why it is called "shadow", will fulfill the command to observe the Sabbath, which is why observing or not observing the shadow of the weekly is not of any avail. My response to you was for what you said, "We who are Christian observe Sunday, the first day of the week", for no one must say, "I observe the Sabbath on Sunday", or "I observe the Sabbath on Monday". You must observe the Sabbath on the appointed time if you choose to observe the Sabbath. You may, however, assemble whenever you want, for the assembling of the brethren should be done daily or as often as possible, which does not relate to the weekly Sabbath observance, for weekly Sabbath observances relate to abstaining from work, not assembling.