Sunday Sabbath keeping!< Versus> Gods Original Sabbath

[KBCid]

Jesus was talking to old covanant believers what else would He say.

Well Jesus.... being a Jew.... who was soon to become a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec..... upon sealing the new covenant.... in blood.... with the Jews who he was specifically sent to make the new covenant with..... would have told them the truth as would be relevant to the new covenant of the kingdom he was revealing. Of course one must be able to comprehend the order of the Fathers plan to begin with...

 

[KBCid]

The Sabbath is always the seventh day. It has never changed.
We who are Christian observe Sunday, the first day of the week, as that is when Christ rose from the dead. We are under no law to do so. But we do as the early church did.

"WE who are Christian" ????

The first Christians were the Jews that Christ made the new covenant with. ALL GENTILES that were offered a part in the new covenant were added after the covenant was already made with the Jews and those Jews continued the work of the Lord teaching on every Saturday Sabbath just as Christ did and they did work on the other 6 days such as gathering to collect money to help the poor brethren in other areas just as God would intend it to be.

Further, Christ rose just before the end of the Sabbath which was the third day and night after the high holy day Sabbath. So, the early church did not celebrate Christ rising on the first day of the week. Christ ascended to the Father on the first day of the week as the first fruit.

Remember the Jews were strict keepers of the Sabbath, but were of they synagogue of Satan. So, though they were correct in the observance of the Sabbath, their observance was not accepted by God. It meant nothing.

And remember the Jews who Christ made the new covenant with were of the synagogue of Christ and they observed the 7th day Sabbath till they all died and then came the wolves to tear down all they could of what Christ and the Jews built.

 

[Helen]

This is all being argued about literally on this thread... The point being missed...except by @Stranger ...is the Jesus Christ Himself IS OUR SABBATH REST!! It was a shadow of The Truth. True Sabbath...Himself.

This is what happened with these Old Testament shadows, including the Sabbath. When the Lord came, and His work was ended, making possible the true fulfillment of God's intention in the Sabbath, the "picture shadow" was no longer needed.
The weekly sabbath ended at the cross. Paul specifically says this. In the letter to the Colossians he confirms it to us. In Chapter 2,
"Therefore, let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a SABBATH.
These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:17)

 

[Stranger]

"WE who are Christian" ????

The first Christians were the Jews that Christ made the new covenant with. ALL GENTILES that were offered a part in the new covenant were added after the covenant was already made with the Jews and those Jews continued the work of the Lord teaching on every Saturday Sabbath just as Christ did and they did work on the other 6 days such as gathering to collect money to help the poor brethren in other areas just as God would intend it to be.

Further, Christ rose just before the end of the Sabbath which was the third day and night after the high holy day Sabbath. So, the early church did not celebrate Christ rising on the first day of the week. Christ ascended to the Father on the first day of the week as the first fruit.



And remember the Jews who Christ made the new covenant with were of the synagogue of Christ and they observed the 7th day Sabbath till they all died and then came the wolves to tear down all they could of what Christ and the Jews built.

Yes, we who are Christian. If you're not Christian, then don't.

Actually, though the first Christians were naturally Jews and proselytes, the New Covenant at this time is mainly to the Gentiles. Israel as a people have a veil of unbelief over them. Though the New Covenant has been established, the house of Israel has yet to experience it.

The early church did see the first day of the week as the time to meet and fellowship. Which would be for the purpose of acknowledging Christ's resurrection. (Acts 20:7), (1 Cor. 16:2) The Church never met on the Sabbath for united worship of Christ.

Stranger

 

[KBCid]

This is all being argued about literally on this thread... The point being missed...except by @Stranger ...is the Jesus Christ Himself IS OUR SABBATH REST!! It was a shadow of The Truth. True Sabbath...Himself.

I'm sorry Dear. I don't wish to be unsupportive for you but that Sabbath rest will not begin until Christ's millennial reign, until then we are to work as servants to carry His message and defend its truth. There can be no rest while the wheat and the thorns are still in the field.

1 Cor 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

God's building is still being assembled thus we continue to work til the great Day of the Lord arrives.

1 Thessalonians 4:1 As for other matters, brothers and sisters, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more. 2 For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; 6 and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister. The Lord will punish all those who commit such sins, as we told you and warned you before. 7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8 Therefore, anyone who rejects this instruction does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives you his Holy Spirit.

13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

 

[bbyrd009]

"Most of the Bible is an adaptation of the very ancient and quite global wisdom tradition that celebrated the exuberant freedom and autonomy of every human individual (Jude 1:24) and the subsequent psychodiversity of the entire human realm, whereas most formal Christianity is an adaptation of Roman Imperial Theology, which was designed to control the masses and make them compliantly stand in neat rows, waiting for orders in solemn uniformity.

Emperor Constantine famously made Christianity the Roman state religion, but Constantine's favored deity was and always remained Sol Invictus, or the Invincible Sun (hence aureoles and Christmas and all that), and many aspiring world-leaders before and since him have used the sun and its signature invincibility as their chief symbol. The sun's invincibility would be argued by the fact that nothing can stop it from moving. That is, of course, unless something even greater than the sun shows up and demonstrates this superiority by stopping the sun dead in its tracks."
Evolution, the Bible and the halting of the sun over Gibeon

 

[Helen]

You obviously like that post a lot .....repeat....

 

[H. Richard]

Why do those in religions esteem a day of the week above all others?

Rom 14:4-6
4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
NKJV

 

[bbyrd009]

You obviously like that post a lot .....repeat....

i just posted it on the fly in any recent threads that had "Constantine" in them

 

[bbyrd009]

Why do those in religions esteem a day of the week above all others?

ah well def do what convicts you, but i mean it is a Commandment after all

 

[H. Richard]

ah well def do what convicts you, but i mean it is a Commandment after all

Those under grace are not commanded to keep a sabbath.

You seem to have a problem with which dispensation you are in. One is under law and the other is in God's grace.

 

[bbyrd009]

Those under grace are not commanded to keep a sabbath.

nor did i command anyone

 

[bbyrd009]

You seem to have a problem with which dispensation you are in. One is under law and the other is in God's grace.

man, all i said is do what you do from conviction, and Sabbath is a commandment; which statement do you disagree with?

if your house gets robbed, who do you call?

 

[H. Richard]

nor did i command anyone

See your post 70 in which you said Quote" ah well def do what convicts you, but i mean it is a Commandment after all

 

[bbyrd009]

See your post 70 in which you said Quote" ah well def do what convicts you, but i mean it is a Commandment after all

ah well that is God commanding, not me, right. My point was "don't ignore this" though, not trying to tell anyone how to observe it

 

[ScottA]

Why in this information age, are most Christians keeping Sunday? The information is available at the touch of a mouse. The Sabbath was changed by a Roman Emperor, He passed a Law that no one would any longer keep any of the Jewish Feasts or their Sabbaths. We will keep the First Day of the week,Sunday, and if you disobeyed this Law you were Executed. Constantine was a worshiper of Sol Invictus Mithra, The Sun God!! Thus Sun-Day! By keeping Sun-Day we are obeying a Roman Emperor. Not the Fourth Commandment,or God, Or our Savior. In Matthew 19: 16-17 Yeshua is approached by a young man that says- ver 16- Good teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? 17- Yeshua says to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into Life, Keep the Commandments" verses 18-19 Yeshua gives a overview of the 10 Commandments.
Council Of Laodica, Canon 29 - Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, BUT MUST WORK on that Day honoring rather the lords day by resting, if possible,as Christians, However, if any shall be found Judaizing, let them be shut out from Christ???
A Law changes the Sabbath, and then we are ordered to work on that day, which God said that thou shall do no work on the Sabbath, 6 days shall you work and on the 7th day you shall rest!

You seemed to have missed a major event in history.

The seventh day when God entered His rest was a foreshadowing of the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ which did occur on the first day, and is the fulfillment of mankind joining Him: "we also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead." As it is written: "For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: “So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

But, we do not "keep" the first day as a "Sabbath", but rather as a day of worship and celebration.

 

[Truth]

"Most of the Bible is an adaptation of the very ancient and quite global wisdom tradition that celebrated the exuberant freedom and autonomy of every human individual (Jude 1:24) and the subsequent psychodiversity of the entire human realm, whereas most formal Christianity is an adaptation of Roman Imperial Theology, which was designed to control the masses and make them compliantly stand in neat rows, waiting for orders in solemn uniformity.

Emperor Constantine famously made Christianity the Roman state religion, but Constantine's favored deity was and always remained Sol Invictus, or the Invincible Sun (hence aureoles and Christmas and all that), and many aspiring world-leaders before and since him have used the sun and its signature invincibility as their chief symbol. The sun's invincibility would be argued by the fact that nothing can stop it from moving. That is, of course, unless something even greater than the sun shows up and demonstrates this superiority by stopping the sun dead in its tracks."
Evolution, the Bible and the halting of the sun over Gibeon

Yes, I believe that that did take place, when Aaron and Joshua had to hold up Moses arms to bring victory against an enemy, and the Sun stood still for about four Hours.

"WE who are Christian" ????

The first Christians were the Jews that Christ made the new covenant with. ALL GENTILES that were offered a part in the new covenant were added after the covenant was already made with the Jews and those Jews continued the work of the Lord teaching on every Saturday Sabbath just as Christ did and they did work on the other 6 days such as gathering to collect money to help the poor brethren in other areas just as God would intend it to be.

Further, Christ rose just before the end of the Sabbath which was the third day and night after the high holy day Sabbath. So, the early church did not celebrate Christ rising on the first day of the week. Christ ascended to the Father on the first day of the week as the first fruit.



And remember the Jews who Christ made the new covenant with were of the synagogue of Christ and they observed the 7th day Sabbath till they all died and then came the wolves to tear down all they could of what Christ and the Jews built.

YES! when the sun sets, it is then the next day, so it would start to be dark after sunset, when they came to the Tomb HE was already risen, THE LORD OF THE SABBATH WAS RAISED ON THE SABBATH, remember the Prophecy, that Our Lord would be CUT OFF in the middle of the week! S M T Wednesday TH FR SAT , He was placed in the Tomb before Sundown, on Wed, You do the math, 72 hours later would bring us to Just before sundown on the Sabbath, My God is Perfect, His timing is as accurate as can be, Our Savior fulfilled the Spring Feasts to the Letter, and to the very hour they were rehearsed, to know and understand the Feast's is to have a greater understanding of the Scriptures, especially the New Testament!