Thanking God

[Waiting on him]

That's a big reason why I've never once believed what Christianity was selling. As soon as someone answers with "you just have to have faith", I'm out.


That's interesting, because even though I was raised in a very Christian environment, I can't recall ever believing any of it.

Pump the brakes,,,,,, I'm in no way implying I'm deserving that's not at all the case. This is among the very hardest things I've yet too understand. I'm certain your a much better person than i, I've done many things that I'm remorseful of in my life and still to this day have things in my life I wrestle with. Maybe this is the difference in us, maybe the only difference is I have a need due to knowing my truth?

 

[Justadude]

So the topic of someone thanking God for sparing some object during a natural disaster came up at the blog again, and here are some of the memes that I think capture the bewilderment over it all among non-Christians....

 

[Justadude]

Pump the brakes,,,,,, I'm in no way implying I'm deserving that's not at all the case. This is among the very hardest things I've yet too understand. I'm certain your a much better person than i, I've done many things that I'm remorseful of in my life and still to this day have things in my life I wrestle with. Maybe this is the difference in us, maybe the only difference is I have a need due to knowing my truth?

I honestly have no idea (since I don't know anything about you). Either way, I wish you all the best.

 

[Dcopymope]

Christ Crucified !

Rejected by unbelieving gentiles,
and
by unbelieving Jews.

I remember being lambasted a while back by a "believer" for having the audacity to suggest that God did not have any other choice but to offer his son as the sacrifice. The Bible says the way is straight and narrow and that way is Jesus, but this character claimed otherwise.

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm not following. You just quoted the Bible as saying God makes bad things happen, but you follow that up by saying sickness is self-inflicted. Those are contradictory.

ah, hmm, i guess they are from one pov, but neednt be at all from another? Why cant Yah cause disasters, and i also be responsible for getting sick?

 

[bbyrd009]

I remember being lambasted a while back by a "believer" for having the audacity to suggest that God did not have any other choice but to offer his son as the sacrifice. The Bible says the way is straight and narrow and that way is Jesus, but this character claimed otherwise.

No son of man may die for another's sins;
I desire mercy, not sacrifice

we just expect Yah to be a hypocrite too, i guess?

 

[Justadude]

ah, hmm, i guess they are from one pov, but neednt be at all from another? Why cant Yah cause disasters, and i also be responsible for getting sick?

Well it certainly could be both, sure. But specific to the pandemic, I'm not sure what your point was.

 

[bbyrd009]

LOL...That's most of what I've seen at CB since I joined ("believers" who pray for God to do things). I bet you're real popular here.

ha it's a love/hate thing, i guess; just got out of jail lol. But best i can recall the "we are taught to pray like pagans" rant didnt get rolling until after that. But yeh believers dont take kindly to stuff like No one has ever gone up to heaven Quoted at them, i guess. Cant say i blame them much tbh

 

[bbyrd009]

Well it certainly could be both, sure. But specific to the pandemic, I'm not sure what your point was.

ah well i've just come to and found myself sitting at a keyboard, really; fwiw i wouldnt pay much attention to anything i say anyway, it's all crap
but specific to the pandemic, Yah might very well manifest a virus to bring down the weak and strengthen herd immunity thereby--creating "evil" iow--that any normal, healthy person/immune system would not even notice, as a for-instance.

Of course ive made that sound as if Personal Action was taken when i srsly doubt that is how it works, but whatevs

 

[Dcopymope]

No son of man may die for another's sins;
I desire mercy, not sacrifice

we just expect Yah to be a hypocrite too, i guess?

Well, I don't know where you got the "No son of man may die for another's sins" part from.

(Matthew 9:10-13) "¶ And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. {11} And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? {12} But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. {13} But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

I don't see any hypocrisy here. The only hypocrisy I see are those injecting their own image of what they believe God is supposed to be, from "believers" and non-believers alike.

 

[Justadude]

ah well i've just come to and found myself sitting at a keyboard, really; fwiw i wouldnt pay much attention to anything i say anyway, it's all crap

Welcome to the club.

but specific to the pandemic, Yah might very well manifest a virus to bring down the weak and strengthen herd immunity thereby--creating "evil" iow--that any normal, healthy person/immune system would not even notice, as a for-instance.

Kinda like the memes, that would mean the gods have bad aim (since many victims are otherwise healthy).

Of course ive made that sound as if Personal Action was taken when i srsly doubt that is how it works, but whatevs

All righty then.

 

[bbyrd009]

Well, I don't know where you got the "No son of man may die for another's sins" part from.

it's a quote, searchable. Isaiah, maybe?

 

[bbyrd009]

since many victims are otherwise healthy).

i suspect this is not true; most that succumb seem to have pre existing secondary infections, etc
pandemics are not pleasant in the moment, but they are good for herd immunity, as heartless as it seems
imo

 

[Dcopymope]

it's a quote, searchable. Isaiah, maybe?

If it was searchable it would have easily popped up on Google. There is no such scripture as far as I can see.

 

[Jay Ross]

Well, I don't know where you got the "No son of man may die for another's sins" part from.



I don't see any hypocrisy here. The only hypocrisy I see are those injecting their own image of what they believe God is supposed to be, from "believers" and non-believers alike.

Perhaps Ezekiel 18 is what you are looking for.

 

[bbyrd009]

If it was searchable it would have easily popped up on Google. There is no such scripture as far as I can see.

hmm, really? pops up in my google easy, sorry...no son of man may die for another's sins
Ezekiel 18:20 Deuteronomy 24:16
Ezekiel 18:20 Lexicon: "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
Deuteronomy 24:16 Lexicon: "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.
also in the Esau story, in code,
give me some of that red stew, for i am famished unto death!

and other places, Oh daughters of Jerusalem, do not find love until you are ready, some other refs. I guess its hard for us to comprehend a God that really does not need nor want a sacrifice?
I desire mercy, not sacrifice

also "Jesus died for our sins" cannot be Quoted, but Christ died for our sins can? So, plenty of corroborating stuff too. Imo it even makes why have You forsaken Me? to make sense, even Pick up your cross and follow Me, which would be completely unnecessary if Jesus was indeed a sacrifice for us, right?

 

[bbyrd009]

I remember being lambasted a while back by a "believer" for having the audacity to suggest that God did not have any other choice but to offer his son as the sacrifice.

yet it was Caiaphas who said that it would be better that one die for all,
John 18:14 John 11:50

(Yah not having any choice, hmm) so maybe i still agree, in a sense

The Bible says the way is straight and narrow and that way is Jesus, but this character claimed otherwise.

the diff in following and "giving obeisance to" i guess, or what we now call "worshipping," as the Two Greeks Jesus "hid from" illustrate, although that is also obscured

 

[Justadude]

i suspect this is not true;

It's true. COVID has killed otherwise healthy people. It's at a much lower rate than those over 70, and those with pre-existing conditions, but it happens nonetheless.

 

[amadeus]

ha it's a love/hate thing, i guess; just got out of jail lol. But best i can recall the "we are taught to pray like pagans" rant didnt get rolling until after that. But yeh believers dont take kindly to stuff like No one has ever gone up to heaven Quoted at them, i guess. Cant say i blame them much tbh

Not all are ranting at you my friend. Good to see you back probing at the those who are stuck in their grooves. To stagnate is to die again, if one has ever lived at all.

 

[mjrhealth]

No son of man may die for another's sins;
I desire mercy, not sacrifice

we just expect Yah to be a hypocrite too, i guess?

But HE wasnt "just" a man. He was the first of many.