The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[Ferris Bueller]

I have already provided 21 scriptures that prove we are not under the Law.

You do not know what not being under the law means. It does not mean we don't uphold the law of Moses.

And dabbling with Judaism is not only an insult to Christ

ONLY if you are doing that in the hope of being justified by your effort of keeping the law. There is nothing sinful or forbidden, in and of itself, about keeping a Mosaic sabbath. You don't HAVE to. But that hardly means you CAN'T. You can. It's okay. As long as you're not doing in order to be justified by the law.

Anybody that knows anything about the Mosaic Law, knows that if you are looking to the Mosaic Law as a moral guide....if you keep one Law, then you are required to keep all 613 Mosaic Laws.

Anybody who knows the Bible knows you are only required to keep all Mosaic laws that apply to you IF YOU ARE TRYING TO BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW.

If you do not, you are in violation of all 613 Laws.

That makes you a LAW BREAKER (James 2:11), not a murderer when you didn't commit murder, not a thief when you didn't steal anything...

It is sacrilegious to subdivide the Law and cherry pick which ones you are going to observe. Big sin!

Cherry picking laws is only wrong to do among the laws that remain to be literally kept by us. It's not a sin to not observe a law about sacrificing an animal for sin while being careful to not covet. The fulfillment has occurred and that was one of the conditions that Jesus said must be satisfied before anything could disappear from the law. Well, that happened. The very division of law you are sure is not allowed did happen, and that was made possible by the fulfillment of the law that Christ said he came to accomplish.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And that is what Paul was talking about...if you are looking to Law for righteousness, for morality, you are severed from Christ and have fallen from Grace.

Yeah, IF you're doing that!
But if you're not doing that your law keeping is fine.

 

[Grailhunter]

"4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife." 1 Corinthians 7:4​

The wife belongs to the husband, the husband belongs to the wife. Stop telling people otherwise. In this day and age of rampant immorality, you are leading impressionable believers astray into sin with your uneducated opinions about marriage.

Man you have to be kidding! Christians do not own people!
The commitment that a husband and wife have is a whole different issue.
The husband does not own his wife any more than the wife owns the husband.
Apples and oranges there Fred!

 

[Grailhunter]

If I understand your argument about this, and I think I do, you're confusing the fact that, both, the Ten Commands spoken by God, AND the law Moses wrote down are the old covenant

No confusion...the ten summary of Laws spoke by God in chapter 20 are not the The Ten Commandment they are not the covenant commandments. They are a summary of ten of the Mosaic Laws.

The Laws that God called the Ten Commandments, the Laws that God called the covenants Laws, the Laws that God told Moses to write on the two Tablets of the Testimony are in chapter 34 of Exodus. Exodus 34:11-28. Anything else is false.

And they are Jewish Laws and we are not Jewish!

 

[Oceanprayers]

The 10 Commandments are FOREVER
OP ^

Of course the 10 Commandments are Forever.
Gods Word does not change.

What does change IS...PEOPLE....babes continue to be born, people mature in age.

The KEY IS for an INDIVIDUAL to mature in Gods Word and understand the APPLICABILITY of Gods Word to that INDIVIDUAL.

Laws, Statutes, Commands are GUIDES:
FOR the IMMATURE; FOR the LAWLESS;
TO; hear, learn, obey, practice.....
UNTIL; they have grown and MATURED in ABILITY to Fulfill...and UNDERSTAND...fulfilled is Accomplished!

Jesus Fulfilled the Law......ONCE....Accomplished.
How many times does a MAN think he needs to Fulfill, before it is accomplished?

The Scriptural Teaching IS:
* Man FAILS to Fulfill Scriptural Law, Statue, Command, BY HIS OWN POWER.
* Man SUCCEEDS in Fulfilling Scriptural Laws, Statues, Commands...
* TEMPORARILY WHEN....God POWER IS WITH that man.
* PERMANENTLY WHEN....God POWER IS IN that man

* The contradiction men testify is They HAVE the POWER of God IN THEM;
YET STILL ARE NOT ACCOMPLISHED....still FAILING!

Is it common here to find people whose posts demonstrate they're not at all Christian?

The hate for America is one thing, but the red flags, like denying Jesus divinity, insisting he never intimated he was God, because he would have been praying to himself, and so forth is seemingly not all that rare here.
Is this new? Or common?

 

[Grailhunter]

You do not know what not being under the law means. It does not mean we don't uphold the law of Moses.

Uphold them? bench press....hold them over your head? You can even toast them....just do not say you obey them....if so you are a Jew. Christian obey Christ.

ONLY if you are doing that in the hope of being justified by your effort of keeping the law.

Nope, only if you do that to obey God. That is what Jews do to obey God. Christians obey Christ. Pick one!

There is nothing sinful or forbidden, in and of itself, about keeping a Mosaic sabbath.

Do you remember the scripture about new wine and old wine skins. The Sabbath is the Jewish Holy day....the Bible never says that the Sabbath is the Christian Holy day....that is what I mean with dabbling. If you are that drawn to it convert to Judaism. Is it a sin?
I think it is a insult to Christ. Christ is not good enough for you? The Lord's Day is not good enough for you?

Anybody who knows the Bible knows you are only required to keep all Mosaic laws that apply to you IF YOU ARE TRYING TO BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW.

No! There is no scripture that says the Mosaic Law can be subdivided or that only some of the Laws my apply to people. Sacrilege and a sin against the Mosaic Law and God! You "keep" one Mosaic Law and you are required to "keep" all 613 Mosaic Laws! No exceptions.

That makes you a LAW BREAKER (James 2:11), not a murderer when you didn't commit murder, not a thief when you didn't steal anything...

Read post 838 real slow and if you need help go get somebody to read it to you. The basic and rudimentary Laws of the Mosaic Laws are included in Christ's and the Apostles teachings. Turn brain on! Could it be any other way! In the higher set of morals in Christianity....the basics are going to be there.

Cherry picking laws is only wrong to do among the laws that remain to be literally kept by us. It's not a sin to not observe a law about sacrificing an animal for sin while being careful to not covet. The fulfillment has occurred and that was one of the conditions that Jesus said must be satisfied before anything could disappear from the law. Well, that happened. The very division of law you are sure is not allowed did happen, and that was made possible by the fulfillment of the law that Christ said he came to accomplish.

Is this silly or just wrong?

Yeah, IF you're doing that!
But if you're not doing that your law keeping is fine.

A play on the words law? Christ has Laws....they are for Christians....if you are looking at the Old Testament Laws as a moral guide, you are saying Christ is not good enough and you are severed from Christ and have fallen from Grace. No Old Testament Law has authority over any Christian....We are under the authority of Christ. No need for tutor anymore...no need for the ministry of death and curse of the Law that were written on stones. If you are "doing" the Law, you are a Jew.

Upholding the Law....doing the Law....keeping the Law....talking out the side of your mouth about the Law....are you being dishonest with us or yourself.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

No confusion...the ten summary of Laws spoke by God in chapter 20 are not the The Ten Commandment they are not the covenant commandments. They are a summary of ten of the Mosaic Laws.

The Laws that God called the Ten Commandments, the Laws that God called the covenants Laws, the Laws that God told Moses to write on the two Tablets of the Testimony are in chapter 34 of Exodus. Exodus 34:11-28. Anything else is false.

And they are Jewish Laws and we are not Jewish!

What a hopelessly lost, distorted view of the law, lol.

 

[Grailhunter]

What a hopelessly lost, distorted view of the law, lol.

View of the Law? You should concentrate on the "view" of Christ.

 

[Taken]

Is it common here to find people whose posts demonstrate they're not at all Christian?

The hate for America is one thing, but the red flags, like denying Jesus divinity, insisting he never intimated he was God, because he would have been praying to himself, and so forth is seemingly not all that rare here.
Is this new? Or common?

As far as “believers”....they come as Scriptures describe...
Different phases of hearing, learning, wondering, believing, doubting, believing....wavering as they learn......
SOME;
Quit
SOME;
Continue

Typically those who continue; become prepared to COMMIT.
There you have Same committed, on the Same path at different distances.

As far as Hate for America, can’t say what the world thinks. As an American, I am fully disgusted with the squatters glued to seats of honor in DC...and frankly think they are an embarrassment to the American people.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

...if you are looking at the Old Testament Laws as a moral guide, you are saying Christ is not good enough and you are severed from Christ and have fallen from Grace.

I know you are a hardened, overly opinionated narcissist who must always be right and will never allow yourself to be shown to be wrong, and so this plain scripture won't make a dent, but here it is...

"15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:15-16​

Completely blows your theology out of the water. I know you will be compelled to make it so you're not wrong about this, but those of us who do not struggle with that need to always be right and never wrong can see and read Paul's plain words above that completely ruin your 'using the law as a moral guide will curse you' theology. Can't wait to see how you make the above passage not really mean what it says in your desperate attempt to not be wrong. Sorry to be so blunt, but you're a rather irritating fellow.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Upholding the Law....doing the Law....keeping the Law....talking out the side of your mouth about the Law....are you being dishonest with us or yourself.

Neither. The problem is you can't comprehend what I'm saying, let alone agree with it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The commitment and husband and wife has is a whole different issue.
The husband does not own his wife any more than the wife owns the husband.

Husbands and wives have to stop listening to people like you and start understanding that they belong to their spouse. And to touch or even think about someone else who is married to another person is to infringe on that other person's marital right of ownership. Your liberal teachings about marriage is what is driving the increasing divorce and immorality in the church. Congratulations. I'm sure there's a reward waiting in heaven for you for that.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

View of the Law? You should concentrate on the "view" of Christ.

One's view of Christ is how one upholds the law of Moses, not tramples it down and casts it away as most people in the church believe.

 

[dad]

I do not see individuals claiming FOR THEMSELVES, to be “sinless” or “perfect”....(I do see individuals trying to falsely stuff those words in others mouths.)

The saved soul is already accounted restored, ie. Very good.
The quickened spirit is already accounted born again in eternal life.
Ya....that body thing...slated for its own Perfection later.
Meantime, we live IN Jesus’ perfect risen body.

So do you claim for yourself that you keep the ten commandments?

 

[dad]

Romans 3:23KJV
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 John 1:8-9KJV
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1-3KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

More elusion and deceptive avoidance. Or is this a tacit admission you do not keep the commandments?

 

[Grailhunter]

I know you are a hardened, overly opinionated narcissist who must always be right

That is the abuse you take when you know the facts. There is no opinion here, it is all facts. Religions based on popular beliefs and traditions and silly people are usually wrong....that is no fault of the smart and educated.

 

[JohnPaul]

Husbands and wives have to stop listening to people like you and start understanding that they belong to their spouse. And to touch or even think about someone else who is married to another person is to infringe on that other person's marital right of ownership. Your liberal teachings about marriage is what is driving the increasing divorce and immorality in the church. Congratulations. I'm sure there's a reward waiting in heaven for you for that.

Amen, preach it brother!!!

 

[dad]

I do not cheat, lie, steal, commit adultery, dishonor, etc, AGAINST GOD!

I see. So now you seem to be falling back to admitting obeying 5 of the commandments? More? You have then never looked at a woman to lust. Never found something and not returned it, or gave yourself the benefit of the doubt on taxes. No lie ever. Great work.

No I do not lust after women or men, cheat, lie, steal from others.
No there is nothing others have that I want that is theirs.
Hate another? Sure. There are others I have a Strong dislike, so what?
It does not interfere with Loving all people, because I do not LIKE all people.

Very saintly. In all the people you dislike, we would not ever call that hate. OK. If we did, then of course we would also have to call it murder.

Oxymoron.
A saint, is one whose relationship WITH God is permanently established.
Their sin was Against God. Their sin Against God has been forgiven and overcome, by Gods Power....nothing to do with me.

All who are sanctified by His blood are saints.

Men who trespass against me, or should I trespass against an other, is for us to work out between us and correct and deal with the consequences.

Of course that is a one way street. You never trespass against them. Only them against you. If you keep all the commandments all the time of course you have no sins or trespasses to confess.

I have every option to set the standards of what I will or will not tolerate in my home, space, land.

I see. So if there is a TV, nothing ever comes over it that you don't like? That does make sense, if you are pure as driven snow and never trespass or sin or break any of the ten commandments, naturally your house would be a holy place as well. Do you bother having a toilet? Or do you poop jelly beans too?

I have every option to remove myself from public settings, parks, stores, restaurants, venues, persons, etc. that I do not tolerate.

Of course. If someone cusses in a restaurant, or sneezes too close, or has a dirty mask on, or music, or if a supermarket also sold porn etc you shop at a pure establishment.

 

[Grailhunter]

Neither. The problem is you can't comprehend what I'm saying, let alone agree with it.

What your saying is wrong and between talking in circles and the side of your mouth....Look at your posts it is all LAW.....LAW.....LAW
.....LAW.....LAW That is not Christian. Try being Christian.....Christ.....Christ.....Christ...Christ See the difference....if you want to be a Jew quit fighting it....be a Jew.

 

[Grailhunter]

One's view of Christ is how one upholds the law of Moses, not tramples it down and casts it away as most people in the church believe.

Hold up...stick up....hold hard.....hold over our heads......More circle talk....No Law in the Old Testament pertains to Christians.