The 144,000 before God at the end.

[covenantee]

Amazing how confused God is.
He thinks in the time of Paul's writing there were Jews.
You know, the ones that you proved in genesis that they do not exist.

Link to the post which claims "that they do not exist".

Who's confused?

1. God
2. You

Need a hint?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Link to the post which claims "that they do not exist".

Who's confused?

1. God
2. You

Need a hint?

You enlightened us from genesis that they are not a pure race

 

[covenantee]

You enlightened us from genesis that they are not a pure race

Link.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Coventee quote
"""The Jewish race was never "preferred and separate" because the nation was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles from the beginning.

Paul identifies the genuine Jew:.....""

Then asks
"""When did I say they dont exist?"""

 

[rebuilder 454]

Link.

2126.
You posted it

 

[covenantee]

Coventee quote
"""The Jewish race was never "preferred and separate" because the nation was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles from the beginning.

Paul identifies the genuine Jew:.....""

Then asks
"""When did I say they dont exist?"""

So answer the question.

I said, "the nation was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles from the beginning".

When did I say that Jews don't exist?

 

[Keraz]

Paul identifies the genuine Jew:.....""

Yes he does; in Romans 2:29 The real Jew is a person who is a Jew inwardly, of the heart.....
This means that ethnicity has no value in who the true people of God are.

Make your nasty accusation of 'replacement theology' to Paul. He says circumcision is no longer a sign for God's true believers. The Jewish people are in need of Salvation, even more than us, as their traditions hold them back.
But the scriptures never say that the Jews will all be redeemed and restored. Only a remnant will be saved.... Romans 9:27

These truths blow away the 'rapture to heaven' of the church to heaven, while the Jews go thru tribulation. That theory is the false theology!

 

[Hobie]

Revelation 14:4 is very explicit: These are men who have kept themselves chaste and have not defiled themselves with women.......

The Lord will stand on Mt Zion and select them out of the vast multitude of Christian peoples, Rev 7:9

This is the 144,000, nothing about 'young men'..

 

[Timtofly]

What you are reading in rev 14 is that they, the 144k, are now depicted in heaven and away from earth.
That is the setting.
They were on earth previously. Now purchased from earth to heaven.
But also redeemed , as in salvation ,as any other men are/were.

The only reason they are waiting on white horses on Mount Zion, is the 42 months given to Satan. Otherwise they would never leave earth. They don't co-reign with Satan over the earth.

 

[Timtofly]

God is not a racist.

God letting Jacob procreate with 4 women to have 12 sons is being racist?

 

[covenantee]

God letting Jacob procreate with 4 women to have 12 sons is being racist?

The Israel of dispensationalism is racist.

The Israel of God isn't.

 

[Timtofly]

The Israel of dispensationalism is racist.

The Israel of God isn't.

So you are a dispensationalist to make your point?

 

[covenantee]

So you are a dispensationalist to make your point?

Yes, like you, I've been a rabid dispensationalite since the day I was born.

 

[Hobie]

What you are reading in rev 14 is that they, the 144k, are now depicted in heaven and away from earth.
That is the setting.
They were on earth previously. Now purchased from earth to heaven.
But also redeemed , as in salvation ,as any other men are/were.

Àmen, they are the living saints that made it through the end, and are represented as 144k as it is 12 times 12k, a perfect number He uses much like 7. The dead who are resurrected are the mixed multitude on the sea of glass who are also there. But the 144k must stand at a incredibly time such as never was, and withstand every tesr and trial, they will be a especially rewarded for it, and we shall see it by the throne of God..

 

[rebuilder 454]

Àmen, they are the living saints that made it through the end, and are represented as 144k as it is 12 times 12k, a perfect number He uses much like 7. The dead who are resurrected are the mixed multitude on the sea of glass who are also there. But the 144k must stand at a incredibly time such as never was, and withstand every tesr and trial, they will be a especially rewarded for it, and we shall see it by the throne of God..

Made it to the end? They are in heaven mid trib.
Not ethnic Jews as depicted in Gods word?
First fruits? How?
The Jews are ushered to safety during the trib, possibly to Petra.
None of it fits a doctrine that believes the saints are in the trib running from cave to cave with the AC chasing them for 7 years.
If they are believers and not Jews, how do you spiritualize and place the tribes?
Or , surely you must know what tribe you are in?
Where is that tribe deal anywhere in the bible EXCEPT when depicting ETHNIC JEWS as Paul did.??????
Paul spoke ONLY of tribes when he himself said he was of Benjamin.
You just can not change that portion of scripture no matter how clever you get with it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The only reason they are waiting on white horses on Mount Zion, is the 42 months given to Satan. Otherwise they would never leave earth. They don't co-reign with Satan over the earth.

Huh???
White horses??? None in rev 14.
No white horses associated with the First fruit harvest of rev 14 ethnic Jews ,or the main harvest Jews in verse 14.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
(Main harvest of Jews by Jesus SITTING ON A CLOUD with no white horses anywhere.
Main harvest follows firstfruits.
Rev 14 :14 harvest is AFTER Firstfruit ethnic Jewish harvest of ONLY 144k Jews, as vividly depicted.


Here is Firstfruit harvest with ZERO white horses.
Rev 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

 

[Timtofly]

Huh???
White horses??? None in rev 14.
No white horses associated with the First fruit harvest of rev 14 ethnic Jews ,or the main harvest Jews in verse 14.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
(Main harvest of Jews by Jesus SITTING ON A CLOUD with no white horses anywhere.
Main harvest follows firstfruits.
Rev 14 :14 harvest is AFTER Firstfruit ethnic Jewish harvest of ONLY 144k Jews, as vividly depicted.


Here is Firstfruit harvest with ZERO white horses.
Rev 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

It says they go everywhere with Jesus, even on white horses, as they are seen in Revelation 19 returning on white horses. Did they get those horses on the earth or in heaven?

 

[rebuilder 454]

It says they go everywhere with Jesus, even on white horses, as they are seen in Revelation 19 returning on white horses. Did they get those horses on the earth or in heaven?

You literally made that up.
It says nothing of white horses.
Beyond that, the white horses of rev 19 appear after the mid tribulation appearance of the 144k in heaven.
We also see Jesus sitting on a cloud with a sickle mid tribulation gathering Jewish main harvest.
No white horses possible in either mid tribulation gathering.

 

[rebuilder 454]

God letting Jacob procreate with 4 women to have 12 sons is being racist?

Not only that, God says His own name as "the God of Abraham , isaac, and Jacob"
IOW he identifies his own name with A RACE of people.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The 144,000 are called "the Firstfruits" in Rev. 14:4. Christ was also called the "First-fruits" in 1 Cor. 15:20 & 23 after He had risen from the dead physically.

That means both "Christ the First-fruits" and the 144,000 First-fruits shared the same title because they shared the same First resurrection event of rising from the dead on the same day.

That means the 144,000 First-fruits were the Matthew 27:52-53 saints which came out of their broken-open graves around Jerusalem on the same day that Christ had risen from the dead. These resurrected 144,000 First-fruits came from those specifically named Israelite tribes, the members of which had been buried near Jerusalem.