The Abortion question

[Stan B]

Blind post.

As the father of seven children and having been there for the birth of six (one was born at the age of 31 weeks as well as being an emergency c-section and I couldn't get to the hospital that was 90 minutes away as I was watching our other children at the time) I can honestly say that the the newborn takes its first breath well before the cord is cut and all but one did so as they were halfway birthed. As all my children cried before the cord was cut and you need lungs full of air to cry.

Just wanted to point that out.

That was a point of contention in Rabbinical law: whether life began when the head first emerged from the womb, or when the entire fetal body had been separated from the mother.

Until the umbilical cord had been severed, the fetus was considered part of the mother’s body. Although the fetus may have taken its first breath before the cord was cut, the first breath was normally associated with cutting the cord.

 

[Ziggy]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?52140...-conference-roe-v-wade-supreme-court-decision


JUNE 28, 2022
Secretary Becerra News Conference on Roe v. Wade Supreme Court Decision


Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra speaks with reporters about the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade and the Biden administration’s response.

 

[Naomanos]

That was a point of contention in Rabbinical law: whether life began when the head first emerged from the womb, or when the entire fetal body had been separated from the mother.

Until the umbilical cord had been severed, the fetus was considered part of the mother’s body. Although the fetus may have taken its first breath before the cord was cut, the first breath was normally associated with cutting the cord.

I was commenting on what you said. You said that the child doesn't take it's first breath until the cord is cut. That is wrong. That is what I was pointing out.

 

[Stan B]

This is the sin of that thought.


The Godless America under the watch of the Democrat and some Republicans are in support of the downfall of America. While the cowardice of the Church Pulpits look on in silence.

I was commenting on what you said. You said that the child doesn't take it's first breath until the cord is cut. That is wrong. That is what I was pointing out.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to say that. I meant that a fetus does take a breath when the cord is cut.

 

[Naomanos]

I meant that a fetus does take a breath when the cord is cut.

You're still saying the same thing and it is wrong. The child takes its first breath before the cord is cut. I have seen it with my own eyes on six of my kids. Most children as they are being born will take their first breath well before the cord is cut. You know this because they are crying. You cannot cry without lungs full of air. They also do this to clear their lungs and trachea of meconium if present and amniotic fluid.

"At birth, the baby's lungs are filled with fluid. They are not inflated. The baby takes the first breath within about 10 seconds after delivery. This breath sounds like a gasp, as the newborn's central nervous system reacts to the sudden change in temperature and environment."

Found here: Changes in the newborn at birth: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

The cord is not cut 10 seconds after the baby is born.

 

[Stan B]

Abortion is not a modern creation. The tools used today are the tools created by the Romans. Caesar Augustus spoke to the men of Rome, forcing their wives to abort . . .

Abortions were known long before the Roman. In Moses time they were conducted by the priests.

 

[Enoch111]

Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra speaks with reporters about the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade and the Biden administration’s response.

That should be "Non-Health and Unhuman Services". This criminal would use tax dollars to fund abortion travels, so he should be forced to resign (along with Biden and all his officials).

 

[Stan B]

You're still saying the same thing and it is wrong. The child takes its first breath before the cord is cut. I have seen it with my own eyes on six of my kids. Most children as they are being born will take their first breath well before the cord is cut. You know this because they are crying. You cannot cry without lungs full of air. They also do this to clear their lungs and trachea of meconium if present and amniotic fluid.

"At birth, the baby's lungs are filled with fluid. They are not inflated. The baby takes the first breath within about 10 seconds after delivery. This breath sounds like a gasp, as the newborn's central nervous system reacts to the sudden change in temperature and environment."

Found here: Changes in the newborn at birth: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

The cord is not cut 10 seconds after the baby is born.

I was not disputing your point. Just saying that they have to start breathing on their own after the cord is cut.

 

[Enoch111]

Abortions were known long before the Roman. In Moses time they were conducted by the priests.

So what? Herod also had infants slaughtered, just like slaughter of millions through abortions.

 

[Naomanos]

I was not disputing your point. Just saying that they have to start breathing on their own after the cord is cut.

Yes, that is correct. However, that is the first time I have seen you say they have to breathe on their own after the cord is cut.

 

[Stan B]

So what? Herod also had infants slaughtered, just like slaughter of millions through abortions.

So what? God had thousands of fetuses terminated in the Days of Noah, and in Sodom & Gomorrah.

 

[Enoch111]

So what? God had thousands of fetuses terminated in the Days of Noah, and in Sodom & Gomorrah.

Divine judgments should never be equated with the evil deeds of evildoers.

 

[bluedragon]

Canada, where Freedom of each citizen is held sacred, has officially offered to take care of their neighbours where freedom of the individual is trampled underfoot in exchange for political expediency.

Courts in Canada have already ruled that an unborn fetus does not any rights or protection as a citizen under the law.

We will take care of Americans who need our help.

That's alright. Some of your countrymen have carried US Health Insurance for years because your form of socialized medicine flat out stinks. We have taken care of yours, time you took care of a few of us.

Peace Brother. In typical socialist fashion your courts have started playing god. When a mother carrying a baby is murdered along with her fetus. Is the murderer charged with two murders or does he get a pass because of what your country believes regarding babies?

 

[Stan B]

That's alright. Some of your countrymen have carried US Health Insurance for years because your form of socialized medicine flat out stinks. We have taken care of yours, time you took care of a few of us.

Peace Brother. In typical socialist fashion your courts have started playing god. When a mother carrying a baby is murdered along with her fetus. Is the murderer charged with two murders or does he get a pass because of what your country believes regarding babies?

You sound like a typical American who has been sucked in by $$$ interest medical propaganda. It’s all bull!!s

I am 80 years old, and have enjoyed the Canadian system all my life, and I believe it is amazingly wonderful!

I have spent most of my time during last couple years in hospital, following a couple major surgeries to keep this aged carcass operating!!! And it has all been done without a penny coming out of my pocket. I can’t think of anything in the system that needs fixing.

A PhD doctor family member did intensive studies of the American system, and the thing that struck me is that medical expenses are the foremost cause of personal bankruptcy in America!!? That is not even a minor consideration in Canada. I don’t want our system to change. Amongst the wealthy OED countries, America is the worst of them all.

 

[Naomanos]

I can’t think of anything in the system that needs fixing.

On that, we agree and wish a similar system was here in the States.

 

[Stan B]

That's alright. Some of your countrymen have carried US Health Insurance for years because your form of socialized medicine flat out stinks. We have taken care of yours, time you took care of a few of us.

Peace Brother. In typical socialist fashion your courts have started playing god. When a mother carrying a baby is murdered along with her fetus. Is the murderer charged with two murders or does he get a pass because of what your country believes regarding babies?

The courts in Canada have ruled that a fetus is not a citizen, and is therefore not entitled to any kind of protection under law. An intelligent decision in a nation that respects our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

 

[Ziggy]

That should be "Non-Health and Unhuman Services". This criminal would use tax dollars to fund abortion travels, so he should be forced to resign (along with Biden and all his officials).

They are also looking to open abortion facilities on Federal lands in states that have only a few.
I don't believe Federal lands can be used for private or publicly funded facilities. I'm not sure.
I do know that the Federal Government requires the permission of the State the land in question resides in, permission to use that land.
It will be interesting to watch that debate.
Federal Lands are used for Military, Energy, Wetlands and Conservation, Recreational trails and Forestry.
If abortion isn't Federal law, can the Federal Government establish a facility that performs illegal procedures on Ferderal lands.
I would think not, but that would be common sense.. and well, you know..
Hugs

 

[Enoch111]

They are also looking to open abortion facilities on Federal lands in states that have only a few.

That won't happen. But after aborting the oil industry on federal lands, they would love to abort babies on federal lands to complete the picture. DESTROY, DESTROY, DESTROY!

 

[Ziggy]

That won't happen. But after aborting the oil industry on federal lands, they would love to abort babies on federal lands to complete the picture. DESTROY, DESTROY, DESTROY!

What is it called?
Soylant green? looking..
Soylent Green..
Soylent Green - Wikipedia

Right up there with Animal Farm and 1984.
They been writing books and making movies telling us their plans for a good long time now.

Excerpt:
In researching the case for Thorn, Roth brings two volumes of "Soylent Oceanographic Survey Report, 2015–2019" taken by Thorn from Simonson's apartment to the team of other Books at the Supreme Exchange. After analysis, the Books confirm that the oceanographic report reveals that the oceans are dying and can no longer produce the plankton from which "Soylent Green" is made. The reports also reveal that "Soylent Green" is being produced from the remains of the dead and the imprisoned, obtained from heavily guarded waste disposal plants outside the city. The Books further reveal that Simonson's murder was ordered by his fellow Soylent Corporation board members, who knew Simonson was increasingly troubled by the truth and feared he might disclose it to the public.

Did you happen to watch Biden at the meeting the other day.. I forget where, G7 I think,
talking about putting cables in the oceans to connect countries together.
We're donating something between 200 and 600 billion for it.
And 1/3 of living things in the oceans died. Perhaps their fried.
And people cried, because they lied, and then they died.

I knew an old woman who swallowed a fly,
I don't know why she swallowed the fly,
perhaps she'll die.

So many moving pieces, hard to keep up with this chessboard.
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Thoughts?

New York Attorney General Demands Google Scrub Crisis Pregnancy Centers From Search Results

The office of Democratic New York Attorney General Letitia James demanded in a Tuesday letter that Google exclude crisis pregnancy centers from search results about abortion.

“A search through Google Maps seeking ‘abortion’ and a location will provide a local listing of both those health care providers who offer abortion services and organizations that do not provide abortion care,” Darsana Srinivasan wrote.

James claimed that Google had been previously informed about inclusion of crisis pregnancy centers and demanded the company address what she called “misinformation” in a Wednesday release.

“Indeed, those latter organizations known as ‘crisis pregnancy centers’ (CPCs) are not health care providers and will not provide abortion counseling or abortion referrals,” the letter from Srinivasan said. “CPCs exist solely to intercept and dissuade pregnant people from making fully informed decisions about their healthcare such as the choice to obtain an abortion.”
“New Yorkers, and others traveling to the state, should trust that Google Maps will provide accurate information and direct them to real and safe care,” James said. “My office will do whatever is necessary to work with Google to make these changes and ensure that people can locate the reproductive health care facilities that they need.”

The New York Attorney General’s Office and Alphabet, Google’s parent company, did not immediately respond to requests for comment from The Daily Caller News Foundation.
New York Attorney General Demands Google Scrub Crisis Pregnancy Centers From Search Results