The AoD In Daniel Was Fulfilled

[shilohsfoal]

One must remember that the AoD was prophesied to take place within the 1290 days (Daniel).
That event was fulfilled by the actions of Antiochus Epiphanes lV, King of the Seleucid Empire, and recorded in 1 Maccabees 1:54.
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Once a prophecy is fulfilled, it can never be fulfilled again, but it can be used as a type, to that which is the anti-type. Jesus applied the AoD to Himself in the concept of type/anti-type.
Iows, what took place then against the temple of Israel, was the shadow of what was to happen to Jesus. The "temple" of His body was "destroyed", and in three days he "restored" it to New Life.
The disciples understood the event of the destruction and the restoration of the temple, as told in Daniel, regarding the 1290 days.
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Jesus spoke of it concerning Himself, and then later after His Resurrection, the disciples really understood the truth of it.
KJV- John 2:19-22; Mark 14:58

So your saying it wasnt fulfilled in 33 AD.
I wish you could make up your mind.

I know the pharisee taught the abomination of desolation was the death of a pig in 167 BC(Maccabeus) and they have many disciples who teach the same today.Are you a disciple of the Pharisee sect and hold fast to thier Maccabeus doctrin?

 

[Earburner]

Can anyone here share with us a biblical prophesy, that was fulfilled once, and then fulfilled again in the same way, but in a different time?

 

[Stan B]

Can anyone here share with us a biblical prophesy, that was fulfilled once, and then fulfilled again in the same way, but in a different time?

Well, certainly Daniel's prophecy is a near and far proclamation.

While translators have all translated this passage: "Seventy "weeks" are determined upon Thy people and upon Thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in Everlasting Righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" Daniel 9:24

Almost all translators have corrupted this passage to meet their own ideology, by adding "weeks", when the passage says no such thing, Whereas the proper translation is merely "Seventy "SEVENS" are determined upon Thy people"

While the first fulfillment of the prophesy took place a couple thousand years ago. But is it also a most important latter day prophesy with regard to Israel.

Israel was reborn in 1948, 3500 years after the initiation of the Abrahamic Covenant, i.e on their 70th year of Jubilee!!

A shemita is a period of 7x7 years, and the 50th year is the year of Jubilee.

“You are also to count off seven sabbaths of years for yourself, seven times seven years, so that you have the time of the seven sabbaths of years, namely, forty-nine years.

“You shall thus consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim a release through the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you, and each of you shall return to his own property, and each of you shall return to his family. Leviticus 9:25

And it was upon the 70th Jubilee in 1948 that the Jews "returned to their own property", the Land of Israel.

 

[Earburner]

1. So your saying it wasnt fulfilled in 33 AD.
I wish you could make up your mind.

2. I know the pharisee taught the abomination of desolation was the death of a pig in 167 BC(Maccabeus) and they have many disciples who teach the same today.Are you a disciple of the Pharisee sect and hold fast to thier Maccabeus doctrin?

I am a disciple of Christ!
1. That depends on what you perceive the word "fulfilled" means.
The prophecy of the 1290 days of Daniel, WAS fulfilled! Which is to say that the history or exact actions that fulfilled it, shall never be repeated again.

2. Maccabees is history written not long after the celebration of Hannuka, which is the Jewish celebration of the Temple sanctuary being cleansed/restored by Judas Maccabeus, after Antiochus Epiphanes trampled both the sanctuary and the army (host) of Israel underfoot and then committed the "AoD".
If you will, it was the Jews who applied the prophetic words: "Abomination that makes desolate" of
KJV-Daniel 11 to that event, not Jesus! [31] And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
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However, Jesus reiterated those words, and therefore we must understand how he meant it to be applied, since the AoD was already fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes, according to the 1290 days prophecy.
KJV- Daniel 12[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,
there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

In the beginning of this thread, I provided all the details of outline, that one may need for their study. All one has to do, is be a good Bible student and learn of it, with God's help.

I strongly advise that one should use the KJV Bible ONLY! If not, then you shall invite confusion, of which shall only cause more and more fictional fabrications to be hatched.

 

[Earburner]

Well, certainly Daniel's prophecy is a near and far proclamation.

While translators have all translated this passage: "Seventy "weeks" are determined upon Thy people and upon Thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in Everlasting Righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" Daniel 9:24

Almost all translators have corrupted this passage to meet their own ideology, by adding "weeks", when the passage says no such thing, Whereas the proper translation is merely "Seventy "SEVENS" are determined upon Thy people"

While the first fulfillment of the prophesy took place a couple thousand years ago. But is it also a most important latter day prophesy with regard to Israel.

Israel was reborn in 1948, 3500 years after the initiation of the Abrahamic Covenant, i.e on their 70th year of Jubilee!!

A shemita is a period of 7x7 years, and the 50th year is the year of Jubilee.

“You are also to count off seven sabbaths of years for yourself, seven times seven years, so that you have the time of the seven sabbaths of years, namely, forty-nine years.

“You shall thus consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim a release through the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you, and each of you shall return to his own property, and each of you shall return to his family. Leviticus 9:25

And it was upon the 70th Jubilee in 1948 that the Jews "returned to their own property", the Land of Israel.

Let the KJV bible put it to you this way, about OT prophecy:
John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

[Stan B]

I am a disciple of Christ!
1. That depends on what you perceive the word "fulfilled" means.
The prophecy of the 1290 days of Daniel, WAS fulfilled! Which is to say that the history or exact actions that fulfilled it, shall never be repeated again.

2. Maccabees is history written not long after the celebration of Hannuka, which is the Jewish celebration of the Temple sanctuary being cleansed/restored by Judas Maccabeus, after Antiochus Epiphanes trampled both the sanctuary and the army (host) of Israel underfoot and then committed the "AoD".
If you will, it was the Jews who applied the prophetic words: "Abomination that makes desolate" of
KJV-Daniel 11 to that event, not Jesus! [31] And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
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However, Jesus reiterated those words, and therefore we must understand how he meant it to be applied, since the AoD was already fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes, according to the 1290 days prophecy.
KJV- Daniel 12[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,
there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

In the beginning of this thread, I provided all the details of outline, that one may need for their study. All one has to do, is be a good Bible student and learn of it, with God's help.

I strongly advise that one should use the KJV Bible ONLY! If not, then you shall invite confusion, of which shall only cause more and more fictional fabrications to be hatched.

Earburner advises "that one should use the KJV Bible ONLY! If not, then you shall invite confusion, of which shall only cause more and more fictional fabrications to be hatched.

Yup it says it right there in the King James Bible in the Book of Nonsense 4:15

 

[Earburner]

Iows, OT prophecy is NOT about the nation of Israel.
Did you forget? The KoG was taken from them and GIVEN to another nation!
Mat. 21[43] Therefore say I unto you [Israel], the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
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That nation consists of Born Again christians, from out of all the denominations, that profess the Lord Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected.

 

[Stan B]

Let the KJV bible put it to you this way, about OT prophecy:
John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

>>Let the KJV bible put it to you this way, about OT prophecy:
John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Yup!! It says "search Scriptures", but it never says "Search the KJV"! I don't know what kind of cult you are attempting to promote, but it certainly does not have it's foundation in Scripture, nor one that I am dumb enough to be conned by!

 

[Earburner]

Earburner advises "that one should use the KJV Bible ONLY! If not, then you shall invite confusion, of which shall only cause more and more fictional fabrications to be hatched.

Yup it says it right there in the King James Bible in the Book of Nonsense 4:15

Earburner advises "that one should use the KJV Bible ONLY! If not, then you shall invite confusion, of which shall only cause more and more fictional fabrications to be hatched.

Yup it says it right there in the King James Bible in the Book of Nonsense 4:15

Good luck with your study. You are already well on your way for more "rabbit holes" and human speculations.
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When the KoG was taken from the Jews in 70AD, along with it, went all the promises that God made to them. They are as desolate as any unsaved Gentile, who is without faith in Christ.
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The Blood of Jesus is the great equalizer. If they refuse to come to Him, while they still have breath, they remain as "condemned already", and shall stay lost forever.
John 3:18

 

[Earburner]

>>Let the KJV bible put it to you this way, about OT prophecy:
John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Yup!! It says "search Scriptures", but it never says "Search the KJV"! I don't know what kind of cult you are attempting to promote, but it certainly does not have it's foundation in Scripture, nor one that I am dumb enough to be conned by!

Not to worry! You have been conned already, by your words of vain hope for the "man-made" nation of today's Israel.
Jesus, God the Son, DIED for them!! And they REFUSE Him?? Please!! Enough with their "spirit of antichrist" Religion. They will be getting NO special privileges from God, except what they have right NOW! They MUST believe in the Lord Jesus NOW, or else perish forever.

 

[Earburner]

Stan, I quoted to you the following scripture:
John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
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Let me now clarify:
John 5[39]......the [OT] scriptures; ..........testify of me [Jesus].

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Almost all translators have corrupted this passage to meet their own ideology, ...

It's worse that you think! There's NOTHING in the GUIDANCE (12:4 & 9), NOTHING in the TEXT, and NOTHING in HISTORY which aligns with a ~490 year interpretation which has a Jesus fulfillment, and ends at the tribulation~!

It starts with disobeying the angel's instructions, and we end up with their LIES. Now there IS and end-time interpretation which DOES align with the TEXT and HISTORY, but people are so convinced that the commentators are telling the truth that they can't hear the TRUTH.

Bobby Jo

 

[Earburner]

Stan, Now go back to the "70 week" prophecy and apply John 5:39 to it.
When you get to Daniel 9:27, apply John 5:39 to it.
IF YOU ARE seeking God's truth, He will reveal it to you!! And YES! When He does, make sure that you believe it.
Here is your clue: it's found in the words "he" in that verse.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
In His Name,
Earburner

 

[Earburner]

Bobby Jo should STUDY the above also!!
Except you should apply Isaiah 55:8-9 first to your oneself first.

 

[Earburner]

>>Let the KJV bible put it to you this way, about OT prophecy:
John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Yup!! It says "search Scriptures", but it never says "Search the KJV"! I don't know what kind of cult you are attempting to promote, but it certainly does not have it's foundation in Scripture, nor one that I am dumb enough to be conned by!

"Search the scriptures"? Is that ALL you see/perceive???
It's amazing to watch how one locks onto the foolishness of their own mind, only to let the thoughts of His own Truth escape them!
Try again! But this time, focus on Him, and not me!!

 

[Stan B]

Not to worry! You have been conned already, by your words of vain hope for the "man-made" nation of today's Israel.
Jesus, God the Son, DIED for them!! And they REFUSE Him?? Please!! Enough with their "spirit of antichrist" Religion. They will be getting NO special privileges from God, except what they have right NOW! They MUST believe in the Lord Jesus NOW, or else perish forever.

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That’s not what my Bible says! In both Malachi and Romans, the Spirit of God declares “ALL Israel will be saved”!

 

[shilohsfoal]

I am a disciple of Christ!
1. That depends on what you perceive the word "fulfilled" means.
The prophecy of the 1290 days of Daniel, WAS fulfilled! Which is to say that the history or exact actions that fulfilled it, shall never be repeated again.

2. Maccabees is history written not long after the celebration of Hannuka, which is the Jewish celebration of the Temple sanctuary being cleansed/restored by Judas Maccabeus, after Antiochus Epiphanes trampled both the sanctuary and the army (host) of Israel underfoot and then committed the "AoD".
If you will, it was the Jews who applied the prophetic words: "Abomination that makes desolate" of
KJV-Daniel 11 to that event, not Jesus! [31] And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
.
However, Jesus reiterated those words, and therefore we must understand how he meant it to be applied, since the AoD was already fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes, according to the 1290 days prophecy.
KJV- Daniel 12[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,
there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

In the beginning of this thread, I provided all the details of outline, that one may need for their study. All one has to do, is be a good Bible student and learn of it, with God's help.

I strongly advise that one should use the KJV Bible ONLY! If not, then you shall invite confusion, of which shall only cause more and more fictional fabrications to be hatched.

The pharisees taught the prophecy concerning the abomination of desolation had been fulfilled just as you do.Jesus did not adhear to thier doctrin(Maccabees).
Jesus only spoke the truth of the prophecy concerning to the abomination of desolation which he said is a future event and not what the pharisees had taught the people such as yourself.

I strongly advise that you abandon the doctrin of the Phariaees(Macabees)and stick with the word of God.

 

[Enoch111]

Enoch111, I tend to follow the NEAR and FAR fulfillment of the prophesies of Daniel, and many others.

Except that in the case of the AoD, there was no near fulfillment. The words of the Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 24 refute any such fallacy. That was almost 200 years after the so-called fulfillment.

 

[Stan B]

Except that in the case of the AoD, there was no near fulfillment. The words of the Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 24 refute any such fallacy. That was almost 200 years after the so-called fulfillment.

Sorry. My Bible had something about 69 sevens until the coming of the Prince, and then that Prince would be cut off, but it seems I was wrong. :-(

 

[Earburner]

And
That’s not what my Bible says! In both Malachi and Romans, the Spirit of God declares “ALL Israel will be saved”!

Do recall these words?
Rom. 9[6] Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Every Jew who believes in Jesus, through faith, is a child of the promise, and therefore are counted for the seed. But as for those who are of the flesh (being a Jew) they ARE NOT the children of God.

 

[Earburner]

Sorry. My Bible had something about 69 sevens until the coming of the Prince, and then that Prince would be cut off, but it seems I was wrong. :-(

Stan, you are not as wrong as you think! You have half of the equation! God is not complicated for those who are of faith, but He is for complicated to those who approach Him through wisdom of man.
You are correct with the 69 weeks!
Do you remember what I said about the word "he"?
Well now, all you have to do is ADD vs 25 with verse 27, and you will have a total of 70 weeks.

No having to look for a missing week either, that some "scholarly learned religious" nobody, decided to put it on the end of time. NO! The answer is right there in your face!
69+1=70.
So easy, and all you have to do is BELIEVE IT!!
Oh yeah,....that takes faith! Or you can trust your calculator. Your choice.